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Post by unc31 on Nov 26, 2010 16:17:56 GMT -6
As someone said, he just lost. What did you want him to do, give you a big hug and declare you as a defensive mastermind right there on the field? You will fully understand when you walk in the opposing coaches shoes. Don't be insecure about it, just move on and do your best.
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Post by blb on Nov 26, 2010 16:29:36 GMT -6
my team won the championship my players and coaching staff The first word in both sentences identifies your problem, which the opposing coach may have recognized too, through his many years as an educator. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
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Post by 42falcon on Nov 27, 2010 9:13:38 GMT -6
OK I think you probably realize that you are not getting a lot of sympathy here and rightfully so.
This game at the end of the day is about more than winning and losing. It is about the people, the relationships and the game. Look at your state or province and see how many teams are the Champs at the end of the season in your class? 1. If you define yourself as a coach and you define your expereince in this gig by if you win the big one you will be misserable more often than not.
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Post by davishfc on Nov 27, 2010 9:52:55 GMT -6
"The speed of light is faster than the speed of sound which is why some people look smart until they open their mouth." - is what came to mind.
Too many "I"s for me to feel at all comfortable about the initial post. You face some serious challenges ahead in your coaching career if you are unable to adjust your vocabulary from "I, Me, and Mine" to "We, Us, and Ours."
Make your coaching experience more about the players and their success and less about your prestige and I truly believe you will feel rewarded. When you do that, a level of respect develops from within yourself that will prevail over any level of respect you could possibly obtain from outside sources.
I'm 28 years old and I've been coaching for the last 7 years all at the varsity level. My first three years were as an assistant while the last four have been as Head Coach. Before that I played in college at the Division III level all four years.
My first two years as an assistant coach were a challenge for me because I wasn't assigned a specific role to perform to help the team be successful. My first year of coaching was when I was student teaching. That Head Coach understood I wasn't going to be around the next season because I was going to get a teaching job which I did the following year. So consequently, most of my work was with the scout team defense but it was quite fulfilling to teach those players defensive football.
My second year of coaching was my first year of teaching under a new Head Coach of the program. He got the job late as did I so the time to develop a relationship built on trust was not there. I watched much of what he did that year because I had no responsibilities. Looking back now, I was brought on late with both of those programs so it was a challenge for either Head Coach to find a spot for me.
This was a much more difficult aspect for me...not being able to devote my entire self into a program to help the players and the team be successful. I was much more concerned at your age, I was 22 at the time, with making a significant and meaningful contribution than I was about gaining respect from others in the profession. I felt like if I had the opportunity to contribute that the players would respect me and my efforts to help them succeed. That was and still is enough for me. Clearly is has not been for you and that's a real shame.
It sounds like you have some significant responsibilities (DC) that you should be thankful you have. Put every ounce of energy you have into those responsibilities to help the players, the team, and the program be successful. Respect from coaching peers will eventually come but it should certainly come as a by-product of your hard work to help the program succeed. If the respect hasn't come yet then be patient.
I think those coaches have every right to feel like what your players were able to accomplish may have been a fluke. Maybe their players didn't execute so their team laid an egg when you played one another. They are probably thinking, and rightfully so, that your players are going to have to prevail more than once before any genuine respect is earned. Nonetheless, respect from coaching peers should not be the reason you decided upon this profession. Focus on helping the kids succeed and the respect you will gain from them for doing so will forever transcend the respect you could possibly gain from any stranger coach.
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kopep
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Post by kopep on Nov 27, 2010 10:23:27 GMT -6
Really?
Why do you care if he gives you the time of day?
Winning the game should be enough for you as a coach. If you are looking for someone to tell you are the best thing since sliced bread and beer in a can, then you are in the wrong profession bro.
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Post by scottc on Nov 27, 2010 11:27:25 GMT -6
From experience I can tell you that the day I realized I really didnt know crap was the day I began my journey to becoming a better coach. Ive been coaching 22 years and realize I still have so much to learn. That is why I enjoy going to clinics and meeting coaches and making friends in person and online.
I hired a young assistant this year and he is going to be a good one. He knows a lot of football but he is humble enough to realize he has much to learn. He is opinionated and will give his 2 cents but in the end once I make my decision no matter if I took his suggestion or not he moves on and tries to do it my way. As a HC I cannot put a price tag on that.
Loyalty to your HC and the other members of your staff in the long run plus proper studying etc. is the key IMO to making it in this profession.
Take this for what its worth
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Post by coachcb on Nov 27, 2010 13:47:34 GMT -6
I have found that it takes a lot to earn the respect of veteran coaches and that it doesn't take much to lose it.
The best way to earn the respect of a staff is to do your job the best you can, stay out of the personality conflicts and to keep your trap shut in most situations.
I have been on both sides of the coin; I was an assistant who did a poor job if BEING an assistant. I was too focused on Xs and Os, didn't know how to be quiet, got caught up in the bullsh-t and didn't really do the best job. But, I learned from it in a hurry; I walked into an established program with 7 years of coaching under my belt but told myself that I was there to learn and to coach my position well. I earned the respect of that staff quickly because I focused on my position and did my job. I only injected my two cents into conversations when my opinions were well thought out and appropriate to the situation. AND, I made sure that they were truly constructive and never involved myself in an argument between two coaches over something.
And, I have been an HC or coordinator that was responsible for assistants that never earned my respect. I've been called judgmental when it comes to assistants but I don't tolerate the "Maddenisms", the idea that schemes will fix everything, and any arguments over it. I do my best to allow my assistants ownership in a program but if I say NO to something, I will explain why and I don't want it brought up again.
But, the same can be said for any profession. If you want the respect of your peers, you'd better not go looking for it. You bust your a--, do your job and it either comes or it doesn't. Bottom line; if you win, who gives a sh-t?
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Post by leighty on Nov 29, 2010 13:23:57 GMT -6
My head hurts.
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Post by mattyg2787 on Nov 29, 2010 16:19:07 GMT -6
Ha! Your upset cause you didn't get any respect from the opposition hc. I coached the o line last year who I'm proud to say didn't give up a single sack or even let the qb feel pressured while passing. The other hc didn't even know who I was, our hc could talk about was how good our qb did. Truth be told though, I didn't care. The kids did exceptionally well and had a ball out there. When I told them I wouldn't be coaching this year due to family commitments one kid actually called my wife and asked her to let me coach. That meant more to me then winning our finals. This is why right now I'm missing coaching, not xs and os, the pure joy of football
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 29, 2010 16:33:29 GMT -6
I'm going to add to this also by saying I honestly don't know who the coordinator's are of the opposing team 90% of the time, unless I have a relationship with the staff or are from the next town over, every other coach besides the HC is just another assistant to me. I don't know why you expect the opposing HC to stop and commend you on a great game plan seeing you are just the DC and not the HC. I know you mentioned you played for this guy, but that shows how much he liked you back then. Unless he had a great time coaching you, you shouldn't excpect anything more than a handshake.
By the way what level of football is this?
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