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Post by sandstorm on May 6, 2010 13:32:32 GMT -6
The subject of "what if's", as it relates to the coaching profession, has been very popular lately. I've got one for you, and unfortunately this is a real life scenario. Not me, but a coaching buddy of mine. I want to see if your advice is the same as mine.
A coach (MS Coordinator) has been hired as Asst HC/DC at a very good high school (Big Promotion). They truly want him, and have offered him great benefits and salary. There is 3 weeks left in school and he will not start his new job until August officially. However, spring ball starts Monday of next week. He told his principal that he will take next week off (keep in mind he is out of days, knowing he will be docked $70 a day). She tells him 3 things will happen if you take off:
1) If you go, you would have burned this bridge and I will not be a good reference for you in the future.
2) I will put in your permanent file that you directly disobeyed me.
3) You will be docked.
Now the coach has to decide if he goes to spring ball and starts that bond with his new players, or if he just "plays the game" and misses out on that time with his new players. She will NOT bend on her decision. However, the booster said that they will pay the coach $1000 cash (non taxable) and pay him .50 a mile (approx 650 miles) for his gas. So he would be making around $1500 in one week if he did it.
Basically the ONLY major factor is her bad reference and black mark on his permanent record.
What would YOU do?
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Post by coachks on May 6, 2010 14:39:04 GMT -6
Tell my ex-boss to go *$&# herself.
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Post by leighty on May 6, 2010 14:45:26 GMT -6
Permanent record? Sounds like a cartoon.
Sounds like the principal is just bitter. There are much more positive ways to look at this situation.
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Post by mariner42 on May 6, 2010 14:48:04 GMT -6
So, he already has the job? Like, signed contract and everything?
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Post by blb on May 6, 2010 14:49:05 GMT -6
I honor my contract at current school, start at new school when done.
Curious - why is he out of days? He obviously could've put them to use next week.
Frankly, sounds like your buddy doesn't take teaching - his primary source of income - very seriously.
Makes me wonder if he told his new employers he would be available for spring ball before discussing situation with his principal, and if it was a condition of his hiring?
Easy to say, the heck with "old" school. But besides being unethical, you never know when burnt bridges may come back to haunt you.
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Post by wingtol on May 6, 2010 14:49:43 GMT -6
Lots of questions here for me.....
Is this guy getting a new teaching job along with the new football job?
This is a leap from Middle School to High School coaching?
Are the schools in the same district?
Is it that far away that he needs to take off instead of just leave at the end of school?
I would have to say is a week of spring ball really that important?
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Post by moon on May 6, 2010 14:54:36 GMT -6
1. Doesn't sound like he'll need her as a reference if he's already got the job.
2. Permanent record as in permanent at his current school. Won't follow him to the new job.
3. Sounds like he'll actually make some money even while being docked.
Oh Yeah, What was the question again?
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Post by leighty on May 6, 2010 14:57:18 GMT -6
A couple of saints in this thread...
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Post by sandstorm on May 6, 2010 15:04:15 GMT -6
He is out of days because of two reasons:
1) Dad passed away so he took a week.
2) Has two sons who live out of state, and he took a week off for their spring break.
Yes, he has signed a contract at his new job. He will be teaching two classes, but he was hired to be the DC, no doubt about it. He took a MS Coordinator job last year so he could get back around his family during his father's death.
The distance between jobs is about 300+ miles.
Keep them coming, interesting answers.
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Post by gdn56 on May 6, 2010 17:08:18 GMT -6
If the job he is leaving is a place he only worked for a year while in a temporary family situation....I would see it as water under the bridge. If he has a good record from other employers and does a stand-up job where he is, he will have plenty of good references.
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Post by bjohnson on May 6, 2010 17:30:13 GMT -6
You always hear about this "permanent file"...? What in the world is it and where do they keep it... the pentagon!  He needs to do what is best for him and his family. You always want to leave under good terms, but sometimes it is what it is! |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 6, 2010 18:33:38 GMT -6
The subject of "what if's", as it relates to the coaching profession, has been very popular lately. I've got one for you, and unfortunately this is a real life scenario. Not me, but a coaching buddy of mine. I want to see if your advice is the same as mine. A coach (MS Coordinator) has been hired as Asst HC/DC at a very good high school (Big Promotion). They truly want him, and have offered him great benefits and salary. There is 3 weeks left in school and he will not start his new job until August officially. However, spring ball starts Monday of next week. He told his principal that he will take next week off (keep in mind he is out of days, knowing he will be docked $70 a day). She tells him 3 things will happen if you take off: 1) If you go, you would have burned this bridge and I will not be a good reference for you in the future. 2) I will put in your permanent file that you directly disobeyed me. 3) You will be docked. Now the coach has to decide if he goes to spring ball and starts that bond with his new players, or if he just "plays the game" and misses out on that time with his new players. She will NOT bend on her decision. However, the booster said that they will pay the coach $1000 cash (non taxable) and pay him .50 a mile (approx 650 miles) for his gas. So he would be making around $1500 in one week if he did it. Basically the ONLY major factor is her bad reference and black mark on his permanent record. What would YOU do? A couple of things 1) as blb mentioned, not much talk of teaching in this. From the sound of it..the place he is going to really doesn't care about his teaching ability either. So for right now...he would be ok. The problem is that places where boosters pay for you to come in in spring...also force you out when things aren't peachy and now you might have to look for a gig where teaching DOES matter. 2) From an educators standpoint, i can completely see the point of view of the school he is leaving. Had he stated "I am going to miss 15 days of school this year" on his application, I wonder if things would have turned out differently for him. Heck, in my district, you may have 10 or so SICK days, BUT only 3 may be used for personal use. 3) Sometimes you make choices in life, and they have consequences. He chose to take a week of to play with his out of state sons on their spring break. Consequence... he doesn't have the days to do something else when it comes up. If I choose to spend my dollar on a candy bar, I can't spend it on something else later. |
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Post by sandstorm on May 6, 2010 19:35:18 GMT -6
The subject of "what if's", as it relates to the coaching profession, has been very popular lately. I've got one for you, and unfortunately this is a real life scenario. Not me, but a coaching buddy of mine. I want to see if your advice is the same as mine. A coach (MS Coordinator) has been hired as Asst HC/DC at a very good high school (Big Promotion). They truly want him, and have offered him great benefits and salary. There is 3 weeks left in school and he will not start his new job until August officially. However, spring ball starts Monday of next week. He told his principal that he will take next week off (keep in mind he is out of days, knowing he will be docked $70 a day). She tells him 3 things will happen if you take off: 1) If you go, you would have burned this bridge and I will not be a good reference for you in the future. 2) I will put in your permanent file that you directly disobeyed me. 3) You will be docked. Now the coach has to decide if he goes to spring ball and starts that bond with his new players, or if he just "plays the game" and misses out on that time with his new players. She will NOT bend on her decision. However, the booster said that they will pay the coach $1000 cash (non taxable) and pay him .50 a mile (approx 650 miles) for his gas. So he would be making around $1500 in one week if he did it. Basically the ONLY major factor is her bad reference and black mark on his permanent record. What would YOU do? A couple of things 1) as blb mentioned, not much talk of teaching in this. From the sound of it..the place he is going to really doesn't care about his teaching ability either. So for right now...he would be ok. The problem is that places where boosters pay for you to come in in spring...also force you out when things aren't peachy and now you might have to look for a gig where teaching DOES matter. 2) From an educators standpoint, i can completely see the point of view of the school he is leaving. Had he stated "I am going to miss 15 days of school this year" on his application, I wonder if things would have turned out differently for him. Heck, in my district, you may have 10 or so SICK days, BUT only 3 may be used for personal use. 3) Sometimes you make choices in life, and they have consequences. He chose to take a week of to play with his out of state sons on their spring break. Consequence... he doesn't have the days to do something else when it comes up. If I choose to spend my dollar on a candy bar, I can't spend it on something else later. Great points! Nice work! I completely told him to do the opposite, but you and other make a good arguement. It's really unfortunate that he got put in that position in the first place, but that is life. Basically, I told him to ask himself if the "juice is worth the squeeze": 1) The bridge is already smoking, light a match and roll on. I do not see it as unethical. Yes, he has a contract with his current school, he has no days left, and if he goes then he loses a good reference. However, there are only three weeks left in the school year, he is the one that will be having his pay docked, and you really can't have a spring ball session without the Asst Head Coach / Defensive Coordinator present in my opinion. He has already resigned, all the testing is over, and realistically it comes down to the fact that his principal still wants him to be loyal to the district instead of embracing his new promotion. Two years from now that principal might not even be at that school, and if so, and God forbid things went south and he needs a reference then he will just have to explain. Personally, I feel that when 99% of his references give him a raving review, and the 1% doesn't...the majority will win out. I think the principal is acting childish, and that reference won't trump his collegiate references or his upper level references...in my opinion. They have him signed for 3 years, so he has some security in knowing that I suppose. 2) Permanent file threat is a joke. Please, put it in the file that he did his job all year, and when his NEW responsibility rolled around he sacrificed a dock in pay and a write up for the cause. It's not like he is going to Disney World. Most successful Administrators understand the importance of athletics, and those who don't...you prolly don't want to work for anyway. 3) Dock in pay. Non factor. The punk is actually going to be making $1500 in one week. Not a bad score in my opinion. On top of that, he told me today that they are giving him a $5k moving bonus. I certainly can see the principals side to a point, but it is just middle school, and he ain't in "Kansas" anymore. In hectic times, great leaders step up and make a decision and stick with it. He can't ask those kids to sacrifice their time, their sweat, their heart...if he ain't willing to reciprocate and be there with them during the times they need him the most. I told him to haul a$$. |
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Post by coachks on May 6, 2010 20:14:17 GMT -6
The subject of "what if's", as it relates to the coaching profession, has been very popular lately. I've got one for you, and unfortunately this is a real life scenario. Not me, but a coaching buddy of mine. I want to see if your advice is the same as mine. A coach (MS Coordinator) has been hired as Asst HC/DC at a very good high school (Big Promotion). They truly want him, and have offered him great benefits and salary. There is 3 weeks left in school and he will not start his new job until August officially. However, spring ball starts Monday of next week. He told his principal that he will take next week off (keep in mind he is out of days, knowing he will be docked $70 a day). She tells him 3 things will happen if you take off: 1) If you go, you would have burned this bridge and I will not be a good reference for you in the future. 2) I will put in your permanent file that you directly disobeyed me. 3) You will be docked. Now the coach has to decide if he goes to spring ball and starts that bond with his new players, or if he just "plays the game" and misses out on that time with his new players. She will NOT bend on her decision. However, the booster said that they will pay the coach $1000 cash (non taxable) and pay him .50 a mile (approx 650 miles) for his gas. So he would be making around $1500 in one week if he did it. Basically the ONLY major factor is her bad reference and black mark on his permanent record. What would YOU do? A couple of things 1) as blb mentioned, not much talk of teaching in this. From the sound of it..the place he is going to really doesn't care about his teaching ability either. So for right now...he would be ok. The problem is that places where boosters pay for you to come in in spring...also force you out when things aren't peachy and now you might have to look for a gig where teaching DOES matter. 2) From an educators standpoint, i can completely see the point of view of the school he is leaving. Had he stated "I am going to miss 15 days of school this year" on his application, I wonder if things would have turned out differently for him. Heck, in my district, you may have 10 or so SICK days, BUT only 3 may be used for personal use. 3) Sometimes you make choices in life, and they have consequences. He chose to take a week of to play with his out of state sons on their spring break. Consequence... he doesn't have the days to do something else when it comes up. If I choose to spend my dollar on a candy bar, I can't spend it on something else later. I understand this arguement, but here was my point of view: 1) He accepted the dock in pay. I'm leaving, I'm paying for the replacement (sub). And I gave you notice. 2) Why threaten him? Personally, once the threats (especially empty ones) start flying the conversation is over. If he hearned a poor reference for his yearly performance, give him one. If he was a good teacher for the entire year and he ends up taking a week off (with notice, and taking a dock in pay) why try and pull rank? To me, it sounds like an ego clash. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 6, 2010 20:28:54 GMT -6
1) The bridge is already smoking, light a match and roll on. I do not see it as unethical. Yes, he has a contract with his current school, he has no days left, and if he goes then he loses a good reference. However, there are only three weeks left in the school year, he is the one that will be having his pay docked, and you really can't have a spring ball session without the Asst Head Coach / Defensive Coordinator present in my opinion. That is all fine and dandy...except that I would strongly disagree with the "unethical" part. Based on a work year of around 180 or so days, he probably makes 200+ a day. Being docked 70 is nothing. Man up and tell them they can dock the full days pay. Basically, you are telling me that in this time of massive cuts, a school gave him a job that allowed him what he needed (to take care of family matters), allowed him to take a week off while not being sick (when you work 180-185 days a year, vacation days are frowned upon). Now that he no longer needs to be near his family, he craps on the school... He might have already done so with the other 5 days he took... But the importance of WHOSE athletics. And weighed against the education that happens from 8-3. Also keep in mind that it is VERY LIKELY that other candidates were up for this job. The principal chose HIM over others. Now the principal has to do it all over again. Always a crappy situation, made WORSE by the fact that this guy is basically saying "eh, look I am out of here now..." I think it gives the teacher/coach profession a little black eye, which is not a great thing at the moment since the "coach as god" position is eroding quickly as evidenced by Leach/Leavitt. What exactly does that mean? How is their education any less important? A week of spring ball 3 months prior to the season??? |
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Post by sandstorm on May 6, 2010 20:59:13 GMT -6
1) The bridge is already smoking, light a match and roll on. I do not see it as unethical. Yes, he has a contract with his current school, he has no days left, and if he goes then he loses a good reference. However, there are only three weeks left in the school year, he is the one that will be having his pay docked, and you really can't have a spring ball session without the Asst Head Coach / Defensive Coordinator present in my opinion. That is all fine and dandy...except that I would strongly disagree with the "unethical" part. Based on a work year of around 180 or so days, he probably makes 200+ a day. Being docked 70 is nothing. Man up and tell them they can dock the full days pay. Basically, you are telling me that in this time of massive cuts, a school gave him a job that allowed him what he needed (to take care of family matters), allowed him to take a week off while not being sick (when you work 180-185 days a year, vacation days are frowned upon). Now that he no longer needs to be near his family, he craps on the school... He might have already done so with the other 5 days he took... But the importance of WHOSE athletics. And weighed against the education that happens from 8-3. Also keep in mind that it is VERY LIKELY that other candidates were up for this job. The principal chose HIM over others. Now the principal has to do it all over again. Always a crappy situation, made WORSE by the fact that this guy is basically saying "eh, look I am out of here now..." I think it gives the teacher/coach profession a little black eye, which is not a great thing at the moment since the "coach as god" position is eroding quickly as evidenced by Leach/Leavitt. What exactly does that mean? How is their education any less important? A week of spring ball 3 months prior to the season??? It is great you have your own opinion. I disagree with it in this situation. The guy teaches P.E. and with three weeks out from the end of the school year, I am sure that the students won't suffer from his absence. It is not unethical. It is buis-ness. It isn't friend-ness. If the shoe was on the other foot, and the school had to make some cuts, they would cut his throat without blinking an eye. Call a spade a spade...when a coach leaves a place to improve his life/family people always cry foul, but when a school cuts loose a coach they justify it with rhetoric. To suggest he recommend that they dock all his pay is not only ridiculous, it is illegal. The school is only out the money they have to pay the sub, why should they pocket the rest. Don't they get enough from the taxes, fund raises, private donations, ect. Cry me a river, he got a promotion. People incline and decline everyday in this great nation. Should he have not taken the job because it might cause strain on the principal? There is honor, and there is reality. This buisness is a cut throat buisness. You have got to make sure that you take care of your family and yourself. The reality of it is behind all the fake smiles and handshakes, people will cut your throat to save theirs in dire times. That is a fact. We try to "Hollywoodize" things up, but the truth is what it is...take care of you, because your the only one who will. Honestly, I don't know how it is where everyone is, but where we are from, you don't get hired because your a good algebra teacher. You get hired because you are a good football coach, that can teach algebra. Break it down, peel it away, and the bottom line is he was hired to coach football. Right or wrong, it's just the way it is. A week of spring ball is of dire importance in my opinion. You don't collect the wins when the season starts, you collect them with the work you put in up to the season starting. That week is the week he has to go in and change the mentality, change the enviroment, change the lack of work ethic, implement his philosophies & schemes, and most importantly build a connection with his players. Great debate though...enjoying it. ;D |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 6, 2010 21:21:07 GMT -6
It is great you have your own opinion. I disagree with it in this situation. The guy teaches P.E. and with three weeks out from the end of the school year, I am sure that the students won't suffer from his absence. Depending on the School, missing a week could mean a huge deal with regards to the increase in discipline issues that result when a sub is there. If the School were to cut him with school days remaining, I would agree with you. I have never seen that happen. Never heard of a district saying "oops, well, we are just out of $$, gotta let you go for the last 2 weeks" (Although that may happen at some local universities due to cuts...) Why is that ridiculous? In almost every other career/job..if you exceed your P.T.O (paid time off) you get $0 for any day you miss. I would say that it would be considered ridiculous that someone can get 60-70% of their salary (one days pay minus $70) for not doing anything. And obviously looking at the massive cuts nationwide ...they might not be getting enough from those endeavors. Not for long... And actions like this, attitudes like this, behaviors like this are killing the golden goose. Keep in mind, you say he got a promotion. He didn't. He got a different job. A better job in his opinion (and probably in many if not most here). The problem is that the cyclical calender of the education profession is different than the ongoing calender of other professions. Now, you are right, there are only a few weeks left, and much of this is about the "right/wrong" of the actions. In reality, it isn't that great of a deal other than the additional headaches caused (have to get a sub for the week, have to advertise job at job fair, have to go through hiring process again..etc. etc. ) As far as spring...well, not sure how well that will all go considering he has probably had very limited time to meet with the staff. I agree , it is obviously better for the football situation for hiim to be there, HOWEVER...AGAIN...actions have consequences. He didn't have to take off that week..he chose too. |
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Post by sandstorm on May 6, 2010 21:59:30 GMT -6
It is great you have your own opinion. I disagree with it in this situation. The guy teaches P.E. and with three weeks out from the end of the school year, I am sure that the students won't suffer from his absence. Depending on the School, missing a week could mean a huge deal with regards to the increase in discipline issues that result when a sub is there. If the School were to cut him with school days remaining, I would agree with you. I have never seen that happen. Never heard of a district saying "oops, well, we are just out of $$, gotta let you go for the last 2 weeks" (Although that may happen at some local universities due to cuts...) Why is that ridiculous? In almost every other career/job..if you exceed your P.T.O (paid time off) you get $0 for any day you miss. I would say that it would be considered ridiculous that someone can get 60-70% of their salary (one days pay minus $70) for not doing anything. And obviously looking at the massive cuts nationwide ...they might not be getting enough from those endeavors. Not for long... And actions like this, attitudes like this, behaviors like this are killing the golden goose. Keep in mind, you say he got a promotion. He didn't. He got a different job. A better job in his opinion (and probably in many if not most here). The problem is that the cyclical calender of the education profession is different than the ongoing calender of other professions. Now, you are right, there are only a few weeks left, and much of this is about the "right/wrong" of the actions. In reality, it isn't that great of a deal other than the additional headaches caused (have to get a sub for the week, have to advertise job at job fair, have to go through hiring process again..etc. etc. ) As far as spring...well, not sure how well that will all go considering he has probably had very limited time to meet with the staff. I agree , it is obviously better for the football situation for hiim to be there, HOWEVER...AGAIN...actions have consequences. He didn't have to take off that week..he chose too. If a sub can't handle a class, then that doesn't fall on the coaches shoulders, it falls on the school district for not hiring adequate subs. There a coaches on this website who have been let go due to cuts. Their contract non-renewed, not because they were bad employees, but because of some other rhetoric that is laced with financial undertones. Meanwhile, the principal and supt's are still driving their SUV's and eating out. Can you see the hypocracy? If your going to bring up the salary issue and make it an hourly/daily rate issue, than I would say okay, add up all the hours the guy has put in while everybody else was sitting at home sleeping or spending time with their families. Teachers go home at 4 pm, coaches are starting their 2nd shift, and often we work 3 shifts. DO we get paid for 3 shifts? Nope. That is why the law is set up the way it is I suppose. He didn't make the law, it just works in his benefit. If that is an issue and you want that changed, it needs to be taken up with the legislation, not the employee. Until then, the law is the law. Not for long? I have actually seen it get worse in my career. The reason...athletics bring in more money to a school district than anything else could ever imagine. The more successful the school is in athletics, the more interest the school gets, the more students the school gets, the more funding the school gets. Now don't get me wrong, the coaches have to pull their weight in the classroom, but they didn't get the job because of their teaching skills. They got the job cause they can help the athletic program succeed. Schools aren't sending coaches to teacher conferences to learn teaching techniques and philosophies. They are sending them to coaching clinics to provide them all the knowledge possible to help the athletic program which in turns breeds money and morale. It isn't an attitude, nor is it a behavior...it is supply verses demand. Sports equals money. I won't sugar coat it, schools are institutions in it to MAKE MONEY while educating. Break it down to its lowest parts, and it is truly all about the all mighty dollar. Is it unfortunate? Some might say so. However, more can be learned in athletics than in any classroom. With that said, I believe in education. Especially higher education. I don't blame him for choosing to spend time with his family. Those were his days to take. His consequence now is that they will dock him his pay, and the principal's ego got bruised. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 6, 2010 22:58:27 GMT -6
If a sub can't handle a class, then that doesn't fall on the coaches shoulders, it falls on the school district for not hiring adequate subs. I agree. I was simply pointing out that the whole "only a few weeks left..not a big deal" angle was not entirely accurate. But not in mid year. I don't really think you have much of a point here...since a non coaching teacher could do the exact same thing, and receive the exact same benefit. My point was that He is not doing what he is contracted to do, he is abusing the system for his benefit. Where do you draw the line? One week? Two weeks? Why not just check out the last three weeks, and receive 60-70% pay for doing nothing? Coach..you sound a lot like all the guys who made comments like this when the Texas Faculty squawked at Mac Brown's contract. You gotta love the good ole' boy who says "80,000 people never paid to see a chemistry experiment" choke on their chew when it was clearly shown that Texas chemistry department brings in SIGNIFICANTLY more money than the athletic program. Athletic revenue is insignificant in a school's revenue stream. Taxes and public funding. Thats what schools run on. Write down the date. May 6 2010....When you look back at how things have changed you will be able to say..HEY..that ornery coach was right. Such as? Dedication, Loyalty, Finishing your task, Doing your job? Team first, individual second? Honoring Commitment? Chain of command? Were they? Like I said, I know several districts where you accrue 10 sick days a year, with 3 of them being able to be personal days. The other 7 are to be used for illness, NOT vacation time. Who knows..maybe the principal did him a huge favor and allowed him to take 2 additional personal days... We constantly see threads popping up about the "entitlement" generation.. but.. "his days to take....??" Not privy to what happened at his initial interview, but I would have been surprised if he was hired had he said "Hey, I am just looking for quick stop here. Have some family things to sort out, but after that I will be looking to leave" And even if that was said, I would wonder what would have happened if he said 'ok, not only am I going to be leaving you after one year and making you repeat the hiring process, I am also going to commit an act of direct insubordination by not showing up for work in excess of my P.T.O to begin working on the job I am leaving you for after you hired me. " Hey, if the principal had heard all that...and hired him...more power to the coach. Something tells me that conversation didn't happen |
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Post by coachk98 on May 7, 2010 3:21:00 GMT -6
This guy must have been the greatest MS coach EVER !
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Post by jlenwood on May 7, 2010 5:52:30 GMT -6
I am not a teacher, so I can't speak to the loyalty to "teaching contract" issue. However, as a business owner I have to say that if one of my employees came to me and said they had an opportunity to better themselves career wise and financially.....I think I would be the disloyal one for telling them they had to stay within their current contract.
Whether you are a teacher, coach, pilot, truck driver etc. We are all in business for ourselves and need to constantly be seeking ways to improve our lot in life. If this is a upgrade in the individuals career path, than that is an improvement and I don't see the fault in wanting to move on.
However, having said all of the above, I would probably stay put just because I would feel that I had a commitment to the current school, and that's what I would need to fulfill (but thats just me). It really sounds to me like the guy didn't think things thru all the way before hand. Why say yea I'll take and be there without amicably negotiating your way out of your current contract. It seems there really could have been a compromise somewhere to be made where someone didn't feel burned. I also wonder if the new place new of his current contract situation. The whole "booster paying" situation seems a little shady to me.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 7, 2010 6:15:07 GMT -6
Seems to me the man gave his word (contract or not) to teach/work. In the real world, If you leave for a new job, you generally generally give 2 weeks notice and resign from your position...seems clear to me...all the rest is clutter
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Post by coachd5085 on May 7, 2010 6:17:20 GMT -6
I am not a teacher, so I can't speak to the loyalty to "teaching contract" issue. However, as a business owner I have to say that if one of my employees came to me and said they had an opportunity to better themselves career wise and financially.....I think I would be the disloyal one for telling them they had to stay within their current contract. Whether you are a teacher, coach, pilot, truck driver etc. We are all in business for ourselves and need to constantly be seeking ways to improve our lot in life. If this is a upgrade in the individuals career path, than that is an improvement and I don't see the fault in wanting to move on. However, having said all of the above, I would probably stay put just because I would feel that I had a commitment to the current school, and that's what I would need to fulfill (but thats just me). It really sounds to me like the guy didn't think things thru all the way before hand. Why say yea I'll take and be there without amicably negotiating your way out of your current contract. It seems there really could have been a compromise somewhere to be made where someone didn't feel burned. I also wonder if the new place new of his current contract situation. The whole "booster paying" situation seems a little shady to me. In trying to keep it as apples to apples as possible when comparing the educational employment world with business world, would YOU as a business owner Pay your employee 60-70% of his salary to NOT work for you for a week but rather to go and start getting things ready for his next job? That is essentially what is happening here. True, but keep in mind that this person is not being kept from "moving on" or "improving himself" He already has a contract signed and will begin getting a salary for his "new' duties in August. He IS moving on. While it is a moot point, it would be interesting to see how/what the coach's reaction would be if he was NOT get paid from the boosters for the week. Also, like I mentioned, a big thing for me would have been the coach's initial interview. |
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Post by leighty on May 7, 2010 6:23:08 GMT -6
I am not a teacher, so I can't speak to the loyalty to "teaching contract" issue. However, as a business owner I have to say that if one of my employees came to me and said they had an opportunity to better themselves career wise and financially.....I think I would be the disloyal one for telling them they had to stay within their current contract. This. The principal needs to get off the rag and use this as an oppurtunity to give one of those subs who's looking for a full-time teaching gig a three-week interview. |
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Post by flexoption91 on May 7, 2010 6:33:17 GMT -6
This guy must have been the greatest MS coach EVER ! I was thinking the same thing..... The guy goes from a coordinator on the middle school level to running the defense and being next in change at top notch high school....Nothing against middle school coaches but you would never see that around here....Its hard enough to get a coordinator job when you have been a high school coach let alone middle school.... In regard to the question at hand, I am not sure how things work in your area, but a "black mark" in your personal file does not mean much around here. Most employers never even check personal files. Also, does he really need a good review from the principal? Most administrators think they are more important than they really are and based on what you have said it really does not matter what she says. Plus, if he does not list her as a reference most of the time they will never contact her. That being said, the education world is small and people in it love to talk. The only issue I have is the idea of ditching his teaching gig for football. Like most have said, it seems there is little concern for teaching. As has been said, if I was him I would tread carefully and make sure all his bases are covered. While the personal file might not come back to bite him, the education gossip might. |
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Post by wingtol on May 7, 2010 6:37:08 GMT -6
I have to point out that in private sector you are paid by the company with their private money. Once you enter the public sector you are paid by the tax payers. I think that is an issue to keep in mind when you compare this situation to what you would do in the private business sector. I don't know to many people who would walk into their boss and tell them they were taking a week off when they had no vacation/sick/personal time left in the private sector because they would most likely be told to not worry about it because they would no longer be employed there.
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Post by leighty on May 7, 2010 6:39:30 GMT -6
He took a MS Coordinator job last year so he could get back around his family during his father's death. I think those of you scrathing your heads about the MS to HS thing missed this part. I'd be willing to bet this guy has his share of HS coaching experience. |
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Post by leighty on May 7, 2010 6:43:04 GMT -6
I don't know to many people who would walk into their boss and tell them they were taking a week off when they had no vacation/sick/personal time left in the private sector because they would most likely be told to not worry about it because they would no longer be employed there. If the new job I had lined up was going to compensate me for that week, as is the case in this situation, what my current employer told me wouldn't matter. |
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Post by dvo45 on May 7, 2010 6:46:06 GMT -6
I'm all about career advancement...if a better shot comes along...take it...
However, I also try to keep a "balance in the universe" so I would ride the school year out and leave a good "balance" with my previous school...
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Post by airmale on May 7, 2010 6:56:05 GMT -6
First of all... If he is taking too many days off and getting paid, don't blame him. Blame the school district for signing the contract with the teachers' union. Here if we take more than allowed we get nada. A promotion is a promotion. IF it betters yourself and your family. Go for it. If I could get paid $1500 to caoch FB for 1 week? ? SEE YOU NEXT WEEK!!! If this Administrator can't deduce the length of service from the interview, (moving to be near dying parent, kids staying in other area 300 miles away), then he/she is incompetent and should be fired. I do agree he is a heel though. I mean taking days off to be with a dying parent, spending quality time with his kids, this guy is obviously a deranged lunatic that must be locked up now for the safety of us all! (Sarcasm definely intended) Loyalty to the school?!?!?!?! My best friend just resigned from his coaching position effective immediately, (to help create a speedy hire for the program) and his teaching job effective at the end of the year. He was fired immediately! Took his keys and escorted him to the door. They are now trying to fight his unemployment! This is 2 weeks after giving him a glowing review as a teacher!! Some of us teach to coach. Some of us teach and coach. Each of us have our own reasons. But, I have never sat in an interview where teaching was not a sidebar. The teaching questions are "Oh, by the way..." Never do they say bring copies of lesson plans, or a video/powerpoint of one of your lessons. Also, if they cared about the teaching in PE they wouldn't dump 80 kids in each PE class. My last OC interview I asked about the teaching situation. I was told, "don't worry about that. We will figure it out later. Just get us in the endzone big guy." |
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