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Post by bobbylee on Feb 7, 2010 14:34:51 GMT -6
Just curious if it is out of the norm for Head Coaches in splitting up the staff at a coaching clinic at telling you what sessions you have to go to.
Also taking detailed notes and copying them and turning them into him upon return to from the clinic.
I understand the idea...but it would be nice to have a little more freedom in choosing what speakers you would like to see.
I had to sit and listen to a guy last weekend for 3 hours speaking on the 12 variations of combo coverages and he did the whole clinic on transparency with no cutups! I am just now getting back feeling in my hand.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 7, 2010 14:37:17 GMT -6
I think its a good practice and the usual practice particularly if the STAFF is attending a clinic paid for by the PROGRAM.
If you are doing your own thing, attending the clinic on your own, then Id think its reasonable that you attend whatever speakers sessions youd like to attend.
Think of it just like any kind of company sending its employees out for education.
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Post by rebelfootballcoach on Feb 7, 2010 15:02:14 GMT -6
It is definately not out of the norm. Some coaches will ask for a verbal presentation and some will ask for notes. i would expect that any session I sent a staff member to he would have the attitude he was going to learn as much as possible and that would mean detailed notes.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 7, 2010 15:04:15 GMT -6
well I think it is a little different asking vs telling..you are asking a grown man to give up his weekend...on our staff I am the only asst that has been to a clinic in three years..i would like to see these guys go to a clinic...any clinic.....learn something..
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Post by bluboy on Feb 7, 2010 15:11:55 GMT -6
When I was a pup, the head coach would tell all assistants (we were all pups) what lectures he wanted us to attend. After the clinic, we would copy our notes and share them with the entire staff, thus allowing all of us to learn more than the lectures we attended.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 7, 2010 15:19:54 GMT -6
well I think it is a little different asking vs telling..you are asking a grown man to give up his weekend...on our staff I am the only asst that has been to a clinic in three years..i would like to see these guys go to a clinic...any clinic.....learn something.. Yes but as a previous poster stated...if the school is paying for the staff to go then the head coach as more of a rigth and responsibilty to send his assistants to whatever speakers he feels will help the program the most....If each coach paid his own way then they should be able to go to whatever speaker they want.
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Post by blb on Feb 7, 2010 15:25:10 GMT -6
Just curious if it is out of the norm for Head Coaches in splitting up the staff at a coaching clinic at telling you what sessions you have to go to. Also taking detailed notes and copying them and turning them into him upon return to from the clinic. I understand the idea...but it would be nice to have a little more freedom in choosing what speakers you would like to see. I had to sit and listen to a guy last weekend for 3 hours speaking on the 12 variations of combo coverages and he did the whole clinic on transparency with no cutups! I am just now getting back feeling in my hand. You are an assistant coach, right? And the header tells you to do it - right? You do it. And you present when he asks you to. And when you have the opportunity to discuss it with him in terms of what you got that could help your program, and how you'd like to do it in the future - you do it, as a professional!
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Post by davecisar on Feb 7, 2010 15:28:06 GMT -6
Private Sector: Lots of times we have people do stuff on weekends, training included.
Im paying for the training, I tell them where we as a company need the help Me as their boss, I know where they need the help and in the grand scheme of things where the person fits into the org etc
How most private sector employment works
To make sure you were paying attention and to make sure all of us benefitted from the investment of time and money, you prepare a PRESENTATION on the topic and present it to the group the following week. Never really debateable in the Private sector
Helped me as a boss to see who was serious about getting better and who wasnt
The best ones were investing their own money and time well beyond the "clinics" and internal training we offered etc
Most viewed the whole proccess as a privledge. I had a great crew, Software DEv, biggest, best in 5 state area. No 9-5rs
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Post by airman on Feb 7, 2010 15:35:34 GMT -6
wow have times changed. as a young guy I would never have said no to the head coach when it came to this. I saw this as my duty to help the overall program. I also learned a lot myself. I used to hate what the head coach was sending me. I was an offensive coach and he would send me to defensive clinics. I later learned that to be an effective offensive coordinator you needed to understand the defense. he explained to me the great coaches do the things they do not want to do. meaning if you love offense you will learn defense and vice verse.
I am not sure how many of you does this but we have bi month meetings as a staff where those who go out to clinics come back and teach those who did not attend or went to a different clinic the new skills they learned. get together in the film room on a saturday and share.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 7, 2010 15:45:17 GMT -6
This is why I prefer to spend our program money on dvds and vhs and manuals instead of sending folks to a clinic.
I see coaches hung over, drunk, sleeping or whatever at clinics all of the time.
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Post by airman on Feb 7, 2010 15:48:57 GMT -6
This is why I prefer to spend our program money on dvds and vhs and manuals instead of sending folks to a clinic. I see coaches hung over, drunk, sleeping or whatever at clinics all of the time. my school has a rule. if the school is paying for it, you are expected to not drink or do anything which would disgrace the school. you are considered on the schools time when you are on the schools dime.
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Post by seagull73 on Feb 7, 2010 15:53:18 GMT -6
I like DVDs too but there is something about a clinic and the opportunity to ask questions that is more valuable to me. I also have a staff of 10 coaches and drinking a few beers and telling stories helps moral.
Hell yeah I'm hung over Saturday morning but if you can't have a little fun in January & February at a clinic when can you?
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Post by phantom on Feb 7, 2010 16:01:47 GMT -6
If the school is paying for it I see nothing wrong with the HC sending coaches to see certain presentations. That might change as the coaches become more experienced. As for handing in clinic notes we're not required but we do it. We don't consider it "checking up" but rather we see it as sharing information.
Will we take a drink in the evening after the presentations are done? You bet.
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Post by brophy on Feb 7, 2010 16:08:53 GMT -6
So what happens if the coach's notes suck?
Also, what if the clinic is GIVING/PROVIDING the alcohol?
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Post by davecisar on Feb 7, 2010 16:48:26 GMT -6
Private sector: Sure fine, you worked from 8-6 have a beer,. ok Not sure why who is paying for it has any bearing whatsoever, not sure there is anyone with a gun to anyones head forcing them to get sloppy drunk As long as you dont embarrass us and are alert and attentive the next day, so what
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Post by bobbylee on Feb 7, 2010 23:06:05 GMT -6
I like the idea of taking what you learned in the clinic and then having to make a presentation on it. It seems that you learn better when you have to teach the material to other people.
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Post by coachguy83 on Feb 7, 2010 23:46:15 GMT -6
I have no problem with a HC telling me what presentations to attend because he is asking me to learn something he thinks will benefit me and the program, as well as making sure that we as a staff are covering the most ground possible. The ideas of having a mini-clinic where each coach goes over what they learned with the rest of the staff is a great idea, because in the end it's like each coach attended a week long clinic in the course of three days.
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Post by coachk98 on Feb 8, 2010 4:21:57 GMT -6
I'm old enough to remember scouting with pencil & paper. ALL assistant coaches were expected to hand in detailed notes. Young coaches often were NOT trusted to scout by themselves as these notes were our lifeblood. Now, I get guff when I ask guys to VIDEO scout a game, because their kid got Karate or they'd rather watch the Varsity.
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Post by twp15 on Feb 8, 2010 8:49:59 GMT -6
When I 1st started as a frosh coach, the HC took me to my 1st clinic, a Glazier, and told me who he wanted me to see. I saw Paul Pasqualoni speak about Coverages and I had NO clue what he was talking about. But I took detailed notes, that the HC would take when we got home to copy them. This went on for several yrs, and I learned more than I could have ever imagined. I think if I was allowed to go to any session I wanted, I would not have learned as much. 20yr ago I really was'nt interested in DL play, or DB fundamentals etc. I liked offense and wanted to go to all the offensive stuff. But he sent me to all sorts of presentations, offense and defense. He told me if you want to be a good coach, you need to know all 22 positions. The HC is the boss, and if he /school is footing the bill, you do what he tells you. Heck, back then I was too nervous and scared to questioned the guy
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 8, 2010 9:02:01 GMT -6
I reall think it depends on the experience of the staff and how they work together.
If a staff has been together for a long time and has a solid foundation I really do not see the need to tell them where to go or what to see.
Hell you can get a DVD about it if you really want it...
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Post by wingtol on Feb 8, 2010 11:35:49 GMT -6
I like DVDs too but there is something about a clinic and the opportunity to ask questions that is more valuable to me. I also have a staff of 10 coaches and drinking a few beers and telling stories helps moral. Hell yeah I'm hung over Saturday morning but if you can't have a little fun in January & February at a clinic when can you? Amen. I also think it depends of the quality of the clinic as well. we attend the wing-t clinic each year and the staff knows this is a very valuable thing for us and sure we have fun but everyone takes it very seriously. Now when we go to other general clinics it's kind of pick and choose on your own. Not to mention there have been so many times I am excited to go hear a "big name/guru" at a clinic and you get "ahhh heck it's simple we just take our best athlete and put him out there and throw him the ball." type talks where half the room is walking out by the end.
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Post by touchdowng on Feb 8, 2010 13:56:48 GMT -6
Just curious if it is out of the norm for Head Coaches in splitting up the staff at a coaching clinic at telling you what sessions you have to go to. Also taking detailed notes and copying them and turning them into him upon return to from the clinic. I understand the idea...but it would be nice to have a little more freedom in choosing what speakers you would like to see. I had to sit and listen to a guy last weekend for 3 hours speaking on the 12 variations of combo coverages and he did the whole clinic on transparency with no cutups! I am just now getting back feeling in my hand. This is pretty standard fare from where I come from. I didn't actually require notes from each coach but would assign as the HC/OC and let my DC assign where his position coaches went. The idea was to come from each session with 2 or 3 main points for us to discuss. And we would for the sake of learning. When we truly wanted to gain in-depth knowledge to learn for our own X and O's we would visit a college staff and spend a few days with them. Hopefully your HC is doing something with your notes for the good of all and not just collecting them for the file cabinet.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 8, 2010 13:58:11 GMT -6
I've been in a situation where I was encouraged to concentrate on an area that I didn't necessarily like (OL play and 3-3-5 D) but I did it because I wasn't paying for it and they hadn't TOLD me to do it, they'd asked.
The next year they took me, even though I wasn't going to be on staff, and they just let me wander wherever I wanted. Great group of guys, pity there weren't more W's there.
I think you do what your told first and foremost, then what you want.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 8, 2010 15:17:32 GMT -6
If the program is paying then you go where the HC wants you to go.
If you, (the ast coach) is paying then you have some leverage.
I try to work it out with my guys. We will sit down a couple days before hand and I let them tell me what they want to see. Usually it works out. I think once last year there was a session going on and we drew straws for it.
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 8, 2010 15:20:58 GMT -6
I think Clinics are good for the staff to get together for a few days and socialize... See some speakers, talk some football, eat and drink together more bonding stuff.
I have found if you really want to develop professionally it is better to visit a college campus. Spend 2-3 days on a college campus that runs your offense/defense... I think overall most high school coaches will get more out of that then they will at a clinic.
You can usually sit down with the coaches, talk football, sit in mettings, watch practice and talk schemes. Tends to work out better in my opinion.
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Post by davishfc on Feb 8, 2010 17:06:30 GMT -6
I'm the header and I do assign my assistants certain speakers at clinics. From a technique perspective, I'll usually send them to someone who coaches their respective position group so they can enhance their teaching within those areas. When they become outstanding position coaches for their groups then we can expand their position group technique knowledge by going to other speakers. From a scheme perspective, I'll usually send them to someone who runs an offense we want to learn more about to stop on defense or a defense we see or could see against our offense. When other priorities are taken care of, I know I have sent assistants to speakers I know they want to have the opportunity to listen to. Perhaps I've heard them speak before and I tell them they need to hear this coach speak...he's great! I think assigning speakers to assistant coaches keeps the overall staff learning, organized and diversified. It hasn't been an negative issue amongst our staff. They seem to see it as a positive. I don't require them to make copies of their notes but I may do that now. I would also sell it as another coach stated, as a way for us to share and learn more from each other rather than as me keeping an eye on them. I feel like if I dismiss the possibility for negative perception by letting them know up front then taking notes and copying them for the rest of the staff wouldn't be an issue. As far as drinking goes, at the end of the day I'll have some beer. Never make an a$$ of myself but I do enjoy having a good time with my staff. They have enjoy having a good time as well. We've been through alot regarding the football program, we teach at a place which isn't real great so when we get the opportunity to unwind after learning at clinic, we take advantage. The next day, early in the morning, I'm always the one rousting up the group. I've told them if we're going to get after it the night before we had better be able to get going in the morning.
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Post by Luther Van Dam on Feb 8, 2010 19:12:03 GMT -6
I am a very young coach, and have only been to a few clinics (two AFCA and one Glazier). Our HC is very open to who, where, when, why, and how many we see. He has never asked me anything about the speakers unless I brought it up first. They may come up over dinner or at a staff meeting, but that is about it. Overall, he is a "I will teach you what I want you to know" kind of guy, and clinics are good for us to get an idea or two from and to explore some ideas of personal interest. As many have said, we take the opportunity to go to clinics to unwind a bit and bond. We also use them as a time to get some work done. For example, we graded our previous week's mat drills in the hotel room at last weekend's Glazier clinic.
I do want to mention the Glazier clinics online section. We have been exploring this after getting the Season Pass and I personally am a very big fan. It gives you videos and clinic notes to view at your convenience and is almost like going to a clinic without having to leave home or office. I will be spending a lot of time there this offseason.
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Post by iacoachq on Feb 9, 2010 11:39:13 GMT -6
We would decide as a staff how to split up. Ultimately the head coach had final say, but most of our meetings went well to deciding who will go where and then re-teach what they learned.
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Post by wolfden12 on Feb 9, 2010 12:49:51 GMT -6
I just joined a new staff after working with the head coach this past season. He bought the season pass for the staff to the Glazer clinics. I attended one on my own, the city coaches clinic he wanted to attend but couldn't and asked for someone to attend for him, and the state coaches clinic recently. He was unable to attend the state clinic and I offered if he wanted notes on any specific speakers. He gave me the schedule and I complied. He is the boss. I am the assistant. I would like to think I am helping him out and he sees that I am dependable and interested in becoming a better coach and helping him and the program. After the clinic, I take my notes and transfer them into a word or powerpoint document, dub any dvd's I received, and get the notes bound at kinkos. I feel it shows the head coach your attention to detail and presentation and the fact with the speed of some speakers the coach wouldn't be able to read my chicken scratch. I am still a relatively young coach and think time's are changing. Head coaches are seeing assistants with less availability whether family, school, or other hobbies until the season starts. I feel obligated to be seen as much as possible in the weight room, help with any fundraising, and help develop anything asked of me. There are a ton of responsibilities taken on by the head coach and I am sure at times they wouldn't mind an extra hand from someone who sees it as worthwhile and being a good assistant.
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Post by mental311 on Feb 9, 2010 13:36:00 GMT -6
When I was a pup, the head coach would tell all assistants (we were all pups) what lectures he wanted us to attend. After the clinic, we would copy our notes and share them with the entire staff, thus allowing all of us to learn more than the lectures we attended. Agree - Also - Give the guys a little freedom. Say please attend XYZ and feel free to attend whatever else is available.
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