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Post by coachmoore42 on Aug 16, 2009 8:51:54 GMT -6
Man- this is my favorite type of thread lol. 1) the moody guy- positive and energetic rah rah one second, gloomy and doomy the next, extreme mood swings with identity of program too ...November "we are hanging our hat on the straight T gentlemen...then august rolls around and coach is passing out "heres your no huddle air raid wrist coaches" 2) take no responsibility for anything guy- every one else sucks 3) I know all I need to know guy_ we just dont have the players, we dont need to go to clinics or watch film, scheme doesnt matter, we just dont have the players 4) arrogant guy- "we won the pee wee championship three years in a row" type who holds himself in extremely high esteem. Its all about him. gives little to no notice to staff for meetings , staff out of loop for everything 5) disorganized and disinterested guy_ no meetings, no plans, no clue 6) mr negativity- he cant, they cant, he wont, they wont, we cant, we wont... 7) sociopath- purposely tries to keep you from advancing your career by bashing you behind your back while completely taking advantage of your hard work and investment in the program. selfish and keeps you a bit of a secret from others. 8) former star at redneck school- no coaching ability at all, just played on a good team in a weak league back in the 70s. principal was on that team, drinking buddy 9) also coach basketball and baseball guy- overextended. 10) always looking somewhere else guy- applies at all of the bigger schools trying to get to college level asap. meanwhile his program is weak to mediocre at best. I worked for 2 through 7 at my previous school. He was a piece of work. He is still giving the "we just don't have the athletes" line. We had them and a winning program before you got there, did they magically vanish when you signed a contract? Of course he doesn't have them now, they went to the rival who is actually winning games. /end rant
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Post by tothehouse on Aug 16, 2009 10:46:05 GMT -6
The point 5085 is that nobody would say anything if a guy is doing it right. That is why the head coach intervened. I'm with you on butting in on a coach and totally agree with you, but this guy has an "I'm better than you" mentality...when in reality....he's not that good. So I guess this falls under the ego portion of the characteristics on his part.
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Post by coachorr on Aug 16, 2009 11:15:10 GMT -6
Tothehouse, as I said, these are the worst people to work for. If you tell them something that might be a consideration to help the team, they have to deny it because ultimately they would be wrong otherwise.
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Post by coachriley on Aug 16, 2009 13:34:03 GMT -6
I wonder if IM horrible to coach with: 'the never give it a rest guy" I seriously can talk/work football every waking second. I dont have alot of time for grab arse and joking around either, I like to watch film, watch clinic videos, talk shop...I wonder if it gets old to my assistants? im the "oh no another football email" guy... the "lets use every available legal minute to get better" guy....ah well. hell coach, I wish I would have coached with some coaches like you last season. My brother was the DC and so I learned from him, and other than that, everyone was happy with what they knew already.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2009 14:26:49 GMT -6
A "guru", especially the self proclaimed kind.
The " What's yours is mine" guy..no set offense or defense of his own, just goes wth whatever his assistants want to run, but won't hesitate to call it "his" offense.
Or the Panicker...(week 5) "Oh yeah I dropped that Wishbone thing while you were away last week and put in a new offense I drew up"
The "family guy" the coach who's brother or brothe in law is coaching with him, though what they know couldnt wet a thimble. Or when his friggin wife buts in to give her 2 cents worth.
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Post by knight9299 on Aug 16, 2009 15:05:50 GMT -6
Tothehouse, as I said, these are the worst people to work for. If you tell them something that might be a consideration to help the team, they have to deny it because ultimately they would be wrong otherwise. Worked for a first HC that was like this. He had less experience than anyone on the staff but got hired because he coached freshmen ball in a 5 wide system. The 5 wide system he brought really didn't have a lot of answers for cover 2. One day in his office it was just me and him, I drew up a vertical smash concept. He hated it before I could finish the backside. Too difficult of a throw for the QBs. At the end of that season I was let go. I had made too many suggestions about his offense apparently. Caught a game the next season- what do you know, vertical smash and a couple other things I suggested were in.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 16, 2009 19:49:51 GMT -6
I think you'd be better of asking for qualities of the coach YOU WANT to work for. I've worked for some of the types of guys you've described above, but I've also probably been one of those types at one point or another. I imagine we all have; it's the nature of the game. Plus, if you think about it, you're not going to find out if the guy's hard to work for UNTIL YOU'VE WORKED FOR HIM. So, the question, although spurring some entertaining thoughts, isn't really going to help you out much.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 16, 2009 20:02:50 GMT -6
But, I must add something, so I don't come across as self-righteous. I, personally, know I was hard to work for/with during a few seasons. Long story short, the season was going to sh-t, everyone was pointing fingers and tossing people under the bus, and I was right there with them; every step of the way. Another season, I was working with a youg guy that didn't know a whole lot; instead of trying to teach him, I jumped up on the GURU box and treated him like he was fifteen, when I was acting like I was five. Needless to say, if you ask those that work with me now, I'm MUCH easier to work with.
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Post by coachorr on Aug 16, 2009 21:42:36 GMT -6
At the end of that season I was let go. I had made too many suggestions about his offense apparently. Caught a game the next season- what do you know, vertical smash and a couple other things I suggested were in. Yep.
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Post by gacoach on Aug 17, 2009 11:02:58 GMT -6
Fifteen years ago I had a HC tell me that you "can't be a fan of the game and be a good coach"
Wha.....
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Post by coachorr on Aug 17, 2009 12:30:07 GMT -6
One of the best statements I have ever heard and is true to this day.
"What you need on a good coaching staff is 'football guys".
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Post by threeback on Aug 18, 2009 11:55:27 GMT -6
I once saw a staff with three coaches trying to outdo each other in a field goal kicking contest... during pregame. The kids were off to the side just looking confused. Man that drove me nuts. How about an assistant coach running routes with the receivers...in his coaching attire, before a game? ?!!!! I literally hid in shame....... He was fired not long after.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Aug 18, 2009 17:57:20 GMT -6
Well, I just coached a season of pee wee ball for a guy who called me his "intern" all season long, wouldn't let me suggest a drill, refused to install an offense or defense until we were 1/3 of the way through camp, refused to put in a single forward pass or play for the QB despite the kid being our best athlete, and wasted at least 25% of our practice time every day on butt rolls and bear crawls...
Oh, and the last week of our winless season he told me that I needed to "watch and learn from him" for a few years before I'd have any idea what I was doing. Needless to say, this was a fun year. I think he got jealous that the kids always came to me for help when they needed something.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Aug 18, 2009 18:08:15 GMT -6
Going back to my HS playing days, I can say there is no one more annoying to play for than the guy who is constantly telling everyone, including the media, that he doesn't have the athletes to compete with anybody. How he expected us to run through walls for him and the other coaches when he was throwing us under the bus at every turn I'll never understand.
OK, there is one more who's worse: the guy who lets parents and selfish players dictate everything the team does because he won't stand up to his "stars," but has no qualms about taking out his frustrations on the ones who are actually working hard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2009 15:34:42 GMT -6
A couple horror stories come to mind, but nothing bothers me, or I'm sure you guys more, than lack of communication. Had the HC change a blocking scheme during individuals only he didn't pass it on to me (OL coach) so my guys got yelled at during team for actually blocking it the way it was drawn up Then, later in the season, there was a play where the HC and I did agree to gameplan and change a blocking scheme. In pregame warmups, I gave my guys a reminder of the change and then a TE goes, "Uh, coach, we changed that back..." Okay This same HC also waited until practice 3 of the season to inform me I was Varsity Special Teams Coordinator
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Post by coachjimmer on Aug 21, 2009 21:48:08 GMT -6
HC does not honor or thank assistant coaches at a football banquet.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 22, 2009 8:33:03 GMT -6
I wonder if IM horrible to coach with: 'the never give it a rest guy" I seriously can talk/work football every waking second. I dont have alot of time for grab arse and joking around either, I like to watch film, watch clinic videos, talk shop...I wonder if it gets old to my assistants? im the "oh no another football email" guy... the "lets use every available legal minute to get better" guy....ah well. I don't think that necessarily makes for a horrible coach, HOWEVER it could make for some difficult working situations.
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Post by phantom on Aug 22, 2009 9:52:43 GMT -6
HC does not honor or thank assistant coaches at a football banquet. If that's the worst problem you have with a boss then you'll have a long, happy career.
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Post by coachjimmer on Aug 22, 2009 10:57:49 GMT -6
HC does not honor or thank assistant coaches at a football banquet. If that's the worst problem you have with a boss then you'll have a long, happy career. It's just one example. I could write a book on coaches with bad characterisitics.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 22, 2009 11:11:18 GMT -6
Fifteen years ago I had a HC tell me that you "can't be a fan of the game and be a good coach" Wha..... I can completely see that. I guess it is all a matter of defining the words. I don't know if you can be the best coach you can be if you are a "fan" of the sport. By definition, being a fan means you are up to date with many other teams/happenings in the sport.... I remember I had NO CLUE what was going on outside of our conference when I coached college ball. Couldn't tell you who was winning/who was losing... who was hurt. Never saw a complete NFL game during those years... etc.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Aug 22, 2009 19:45:41 GMT -6
Got to go with ol' 5085 on this one. It depends on what that coach meant by "fan." During the season I very rarely watch college ball, watch about 1/2 of an NFL game-maybe.
If by "fan" you mean trying to run all the plays you saw on Sunday, sure, that won't do. But you must have a passion for the game and a love for kids or you won't be able to take the pressure.
Then take the off-season to draw up all the plays you want to "try" and run the next year. OJW
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Post by dubber on Aug 22, 2009 22:36:10 GMT -6
I am that guy on the staff who immediately wants to talk first when we discuss something. I'm the youngest, I got ideas, but I need to shut up a little more. Luckily, I work with a staff that listens to the good stuff I say (rare), and is patient with the stupid stuff I say (often). I am constantly on myself to shut up more in everything in my life though. Also, the DC and I are the offical grammar police of our coaching staff. I heard our HC on the headset last night, when we were up 28, mentioned to the kick-off team that "28 points are not that much"..........I was wise enough to shut up and not say "coach, you really meant 28 points are not that many" in the middle of the game. I pick my battles. ;D Anyway, someone who thinks they know it all is the most annoying, and that is exactly the kind of coach I can be.
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Post by mariner42 on Aug 22, 2009 23:37:39 GMT -6
God, I wish I could put the guy I coached under two years ago into a single category. Actually, I'm not going to, I'm just going to get angry.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Aug 23, 2009 8:55:20 GMT -6
Howd you like to work for a coach who cuts and runs as soon as the talent well runs dry?
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Post by refuse2lose on Aug 23, 2009 19:59:29 GMT -6
How about this guy. He doesnt want to condition (which I could understand if practice tempo was high but kids walk from drill to drill)so we are always out of shape. He never takes suggestions from the assistant coaches. He never has a plan on offense (he's the OC), he just says they have a 4 man front I will do this and this. Doesnt know any of the opponents strengths or weeknesses. He stated "I'm not here to build a program, I'm just here to coach". Tells the players and coaches "I'd rather be out playing golf" or "You guys are waisting my time, I could be playing golf". After our spring game loss 44-0, a former coach said maybe this loss could help build some character, the HC said "I'm not all about building character". He is the weight lifting teacher, but doesnt step foot in the weight room after school all offseason. Oh and he leaves the state all summer and leaves one assistant in charge of the weight room. He doesnt hold players or coaches accountable for anything, so he is teaching the players any responability. The worst part is the admin lovers him because we have won some games due to 5 or 6 D1 players and a great O-line. Sorry for the rant.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Aug 24, 2009 2:53:20 GMT -6
HOw about the guy who is doodling basketball plays on his clip board during teacher inservice days in Aug? ....and he coaches GIRLS basketball after football.
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Post by casec11 on Aug 24, 2009 6:48:16 GMT -6
The coach who can’t make a decision... On what scheme, who plays where and even on 4th to go for it or kick
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Post by touchdownmaker on Aug 24, 2009 7:04:07 GMT -6
How about the guy who "wont beg" kids to play football (aka doesnt build relationships, recruit in his own building or ms/youth program and numbers fall to teens despite BIG SCHOOL.
Further analysis reveals he doesnt show up to his own meetings, leaves practice early to do other things (basketball open gyms for example) nor does he show up for weight training so the kids stop coming too.
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Post by mce86 on Aug 24, 2009 10:37:05 GMT -6
Well, I just coached a season of pee wee ball for a guy who called me his "intern" all season long, wouldn't let me suggest a drill, refused to install an offense or defense until we were 1/3 of the way through camp, refused to put in a single forward pass or play for the QB despite the kid being our best athlete, and wasted at least 25% of our practice time every day on butt rolls and bear crawls... Thats only a half an hour...that would never fly in our youth organization. Seroulsy, when I began coaching 6-7-8 year olds, the 9 year old coach would spend 60 minutes on cals! this was not the conditioning period. So, of course we did the same.... Since I was a HS coach, I was always an hour late, and they would always be finishing drills! When I left the team as 8th grader, it was still the same way! So be thankful! Oh, another coach of the 7-8 year olds, thought it was the NFL, and used to yell at the kids because they should all be on the same knee when taking a knee! WOW
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Post by coachinghopeful on Aug 24, 2009 23:42:39 GMT -6
Well, I just coached a season of pee wee ball for a guy who called me his "intern" all season long, wouldn't let me suggest a drill, refused to install an offense or defense until we were 1/3 of the way through camp, refused to put in a single forward pass or play for the QB despite the kid being our best athlete, and wasted at least 25% of our practice time every day on butt rolls and bear crawls... Thats only a half an hour...that would never fly in our youth organization. Seroulsy, when I began coaching 6-7-8 year olds, the 9 year old coach would spend 60 minutes on cals! this was not the conditioning period. So, of course we did the same.... Since I was a HS coach, I was always an hour late, and they would always be finishing drills! When I left the team as 8th grader, it was still the same way! So be thankful! Oh, another coach of the 7-8 year olds, thought it was the NFL, and used to yell at the kids because they should all be on the same knee when taking a knee! WOW Wow. I'll all for being a stickler for details and discipline... but just...wow. Yelling at those kids for not getting on the same knee? Seriously? I bumped into one of my fellow assistants off that team I was talking about a few days ago. He said the HC I mentioned earlier told everybody he didn't know why I was coaching football since I told him offhandedly one day that the NFL bored the crap out of me. This was after he asked me who he should pick for his fantasy team this year... This guy was something else. Nothing like a guy who closes out every practice with a "back in my day" story about how great he was in HS. Then he runs out of stories after about 3 weeks so he just starts repeating himself. I felt like I was listening to Al Bundy tell the "4 TDs in one game" story over and over and over...
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