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Post by kylem56 on May 22, 2009 18:09:39 GMT -6
Evening Everyone, this is for you veterans out there. In your opinion, what are the top 5 coaching mistakes you see young/new coaches make ? Im not starting this thread to turn it into a "slam this coach I know thread" but something that can help out all the new or young coaches out there. I only have 5 years of experience but here is what I think so far:
1. Thinking you have to be a hardass (using fear) to motivate players.
2. Doing drills that are realy not applicable to football
3. Not explaining the "whys" of a technique
4. Being buddy buddy with players in order to get them to do what you want
5. Trying to be a master of scheme before technique.
Have a great Memorial Day Weekend!
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Post by schultbear74 on May 22, 2009 18:24:10 GMT -6
Forcing kids to make a choice between sports
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Post by mhs99 on May 22, 2009 18:36:26 GMT -6
Having total confidence in their knowledge of scheme and game, but. Not having the ability to make adjustments ie. Not thinking out scenarios or having th experience to adjust to players, parents, or game situations.
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Post by gpoulin76 on May 22, 2009 18:56:48 GMT -6
1. Not understanding that most coaches have forgotten more football than they know.
2. Over-coaching.
3. Failing to see the big picture.
4. Demanding and earning respect from the players.
5. Disrespecting the profession and the game.
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Post by fbdoc on May 22, 2009 20:12:20 GMT -6
Here are my 5, and I've probably done every one.
1. Think you know it all 2. Worrying about what parents think 3. Trying to be a friend instead of a COACH 4. Ignoring the importance of the O-Line 5. Not teaching/practicing tackling
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Post by jgordon1 on May 22, 2009 20:13:17 GMT -6
My 5 biggest mistakes usually are: 1. overestimate a players ablity 2. sometimes don't see the big picture 3. They're only kids for christ sake 4. Thinking I have to do everything 5. Blamimg myself too much when we lose and sometimes think I'm great when we win only to be humbled once again
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Post by coachorr on May 22, 2009 21:41:29 GMT -6
1. Too buddy buddy with players 2. Too much emphasis on winning and not on players 3. Thinking the grass is greener somewhere else, either in coaching position or scheme 4. Thinking that someone or something is bigger than the team or the program 5. Failing to realize the devil is in the detail
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Post by coachorr on May 22, 2009 21:43:06 GMT -6
Evening Everyone, this is for you veterans out there. In your opinion, what are the top 5 coaching mistakes you see young/new coaches make ? Im not starting this thread to turn it into a "slam this coach I know thread" but something that can help out all the new or young coaches out there. I only have 5 years of experience but here is what I think so far: 1. Thinking you have to be a hardass (using fear) to motivate players. 2. Doing drills that are realy not applicable to football 3. Not explaining the "whys" of a technique 4. Being buddy buddy with players in order to get them to do what you want 5. Trying to be a master of scheme before technique. Have a great Memorial Day Weekend! Can I add to number two? Doing drills that are named after an animal: Monkey rolls, Bull in the Ring, Elephant balls...what you don't ever just whip em out to see who's are bigger?
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Post by coachorr on May 22, 2009 21:53:43 GMT -6
#1. Violating the code of ethics. I was going to say something smart, but I think this speaks for itself.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2009 21:56:24 GMT -6
This fall will only be my 8th season, but my mistakes were:
1. I agree that you don't have to coach through fear, but I was too buddy-buddy.
2. I see most have listed overcoaching, but I actually undercoached. I gave my players too much credit in terms of assuming they new some of the whys to technique and their place in our overall schemes.
3. Fell victim to thinking "bigger is automatically better" in accepting a new job and it backfired on me. The football situation was great; the teaching situation not so great and I'm still trying to fully recover from it.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 23, 2009 0:26:57 GMT -6
1. Thinking football is a scheme game. It is a people game. 2. Not taking initiative in professional development, and just coaching "what you did". 3. Confusing emotion with intensity. 4. Underestimating the work required in the profession. 5. Making suggestions prior to troubleshooting the suggestion.
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Post by joe83843 on May 23, 2009 2:27:53 GMT -6
These are great to hear guys. Keep 'em coming!
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Post by coachriley on May 23, 2009 3:05:06 GMT -6
This past season at my old school, about half way through the season we had a "pros and cons" session with just the coaches. The one man con that I had was relating in a more personable manner. I was great with my players but just by looking back at how I handled certain situations, my main problem was that i didnt relate to some of the kids as well as I should have.
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Post by touchdownmaker on May 23, 2009 3:41:44 GMT -6
1) I think failing to build relationships is a huge mistake 2) I think assistants failing to be loyal to support/defend the HC is a common mistake by young guys 3) I think failing to focus on blocking, tackling and ball security is a huge mistake 4) I think allowing cancers to undermine the program because they have "talent" or "potential" is probably the most common mistake any and all coaches will make at one time or another. 5) I think a head coach, particularly a new one, hesitating to make tough decisions that might ruffle some feathers is a common mistake. You have to do things your own way.
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Post by touchdownmaker on May 23, 2009 6:06:34 GMT -6
heres a few: picking captains based on talent picking coaches based on playing exepriences/talent rather than professionalism and teaching ability playing favorites ie treating skilled players different from unskilled allowing players to question coaches, they think its a democracy
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Post by seagull73 on May 23, 2009 6:21:28 GMT -6
In game: 1. Not feeding your stud (could be 1-5) 2. Putting back-ups on punt and kick off 3. Stop calling plays that have worked earlier in the game 4. Yelling at the refs (never helps & it looks like you're panicking) 5. Not punting on 4th down because your frustrated.
Program wise: 1. Not recognizing your only as good as your staff 2. Being friends with your players 3. Bending rules 4. Saying something and not doing it 5. Making football your life
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Post by Coach JR on May 23, 2009 6:55:24 GMT -6
This is the reason I come here, to learn stuff like in this thread. Good stuff.
Some things I've heard from a coach I respect.
Coach Gene Stallings:
"If you listen to the fans, pretty soon you'll be sitting in the stands with them"
"If schemes won games, we'd just sit down on saturday, compare schemes, and declare a winner...players win games."
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Post by hwkfn1 on May 23, 2009 7:19:02 GMT -6
1. Thinking your success at your level is more important than the success of the varsity. 2. Yelling and screaming all of the time at kids 3. Not being positive with the kids 4. Looking to move up the coaching ladder instead of trying to be the best at where you are (still guilty!) 5. Not trusting those you coach with 6. Not being fully committed to coaching (not me, but some that I have coached with)
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Post by justryn2 on May 23, 2009 7:52:41 GMT -6
1) Installing too much and not perfecting any of it. 2) Not enough focus on getting buy-in from assistants and players 3) Not teaching the rules and general sportsmanship 4) Too much telling others what I think and not listening to their ideas 5) Abandoning the game plan too quickly when things don't start off well
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Post by coachorr on May 23, 2009 8:52:01 GMT -6
Using time on the field, not organizing the drill and equipment in a conducive manner, coaches demonstrating too much and coaches talking too much are major major pet peeves of mine.
I hate it when coach X takes center stage to run a drill and begins to give a history lesson on the game of football: "The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill used the forward pass in an 1895 game against the University of Georgia. However, the play was still illegal at the time......"
And 10 minutes later not one rep has happened. Drives me crazy.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 23, 2009 9:22:52 GMT -6
Thanks for the article JohnZ Notable quotes from above that I appreciate and don't think enough about:
Dcohio: overstepping your bounds: guilty here..trying like he11...I have a big mouth
coachD5085: confusing emotion with intensity.. how many teams come out jacked up only to fall on their face. Every team we play has a "better" stretch than we do. some I think actually send an inordinate amount of time practicing their stretch. We "lose:" every stretch "competition
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Post by chadp56 on May 23, 2009 9:24:44 GMT -6
These are all mistakes I made. As a counselor in training, it is probably more helpful to identify our own mistakes than to point out others ;D
1. Doing too much and not perfecting any of it in a season and in a game (still struggle sometimes with putting too much stuff in and trying to be fancy).
2. Saying something that hurt a player even though it was meant as a joke (I've done this a few times where I lost a kid's confidence).
3. Trying to be too much of a hard arse which interfears with developing strong relationships (did this early in my career).
4. Ripping a coach at another school, and usually having it get back to the guy. Should have followed the "If you can't say nothing nice" motto.
5. Maybe my greatest disappointment is twice in 13 years I was part of a new staff where we put up a goose egg in the win column. On both occasions we had some close games, including an overtime game. I will always regret not being able to do enough to help those guys taste victory. Those were brutal seasons and I still feel bad for those seniors when I think of it. Even if they didn't do all they could do (i.e. 3 of 4 captains go golfing instead of come to practice or in the other case 1 captain who chose not to play in 2 games because he didn't want to change his shoe laces!).
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Post by indian1 on May 23, 2009 10:06:12 GMT -6
This is amazing. I've made every mistake that has been listed (some more than once), and some of them contradict each other! Je$us Chr!st I must be running in circles!
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Post by coachsky on May 23, 2009 11:03:22 GMT -6
1. Not using time efficiently 2. Thinking high school kids can't handle complicated scheme 3. poor installation and teaching progressions. 4. Talking too much at practice and Field Demos (Slow Practices) 5. Not demanding maximum preparedness and effort from assistant coaches. 5. B Not spending enough attention to special teams.
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Post by touchdowng on May 23, 2009 11:03:53 GMT -6
1. NOT sticking to a constant message or consistent philosophy of what you're program is about. I learned quickly but have watched others flounder as they try to reinvent themselves season to season. The target is always moving and their kids have a tough time buying in even though most don't even know why. If you have a good enough belief system it should be sustainable
2. Being too scheme oriented and forgetting about solid fundamentals
3. Emphasize winning over other more important aspects of H.S. football. It's about the Jimmy's and Joe's and not so much the X's and O's
4. Taking care of the kids who are the depth of a program. The starters get their accolades in a natural way. Some coaches lose numbers in their programs only because the role players and the other guys aren't getting meaningful feedback or strokes. Everybody needs it.
5. Always looking for the greener grass by getting new assistants or looking to recruit kids (legally or illegaly) from out of building and basically looking for ways to patch up the B.S. excuses instead of saying "This is what I have to work with and I will make the grass greener RIGHT HERE." When you do this they will follow you.
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Post by jim322ps on May 23, 2009 16:03:47 GMT -6
Coaches Great thread. 1) Not spending enough time with assistants 2) changing players positions instead of coaching up the ones you already had at those positions (everyone makes mistakes with personel but don't compound the mistake) 3) Not having the tech's on paper for every position & how they should be taught 4) wasting practice time 5) berating players instead of realiing you didn't do your job
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Post by bama on May 23, 2009 16:36:18 GMT -6
1. Taking on the personality of another coach when that style of coaching does not fit him. 2.Not realizing the work that has to be done that has zero to do with the on the field product ( cutting grass, cleaning toilets, washing practice gear, etc....) 3.Thinking that schemes are the only thing that matter whether you win a game. 4.Wanting to please parents and players instead of having to do the correct thing and make hard decisions. 5.Thinking that you can please everyone.
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Post by kylem56 on May 23, 2009 17:27:35 GMT -6
Heres some more I thought of:
- When watching film, you are just watching it for entertainment and not for actual tendancies, clues, gameplan adjustments etc.
- when a player makes a mistake, CORRECT THEM , dont bitch at them without telling them how to fix it
- zoning out during special teams time
- taking care of yourself during the season. I have nothing against drinking but i find it kinda annoying when Coach X comes in Saturday morning for film break down and they are too hungover to be productive.
- this is something ive notices with first year coaches especially, being a "yes" man to the head coach. Yeah of course you have to support the Head Coaches vision, but if you have an idea, say it. If you think something can be done to be more productive say it. But reminder, when you have an idea or suggestion, be prepared to b asked questions but if you believe in what you know, you should have answers and be alright.
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Post by touchdownmaker on May 23, 2009 18:15:50 GMT -6
Good ones...
how about these:
failing to give meaningful game day assignment to assistants watching the ball instead of looking at keys, reactions when calling plays calling plays you havent practiced much yelling instructions to players during the game, create a distraction for your own players not having a qualified camera/film guy
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Post by coachorr on May 23, 2009 21:22:23 GMT -6
Here is five for veteran coaches: 1.Not letting assistants coach. 2. Not having an open mind. 3. Not listening when someone is speaking to you, just waiting for your chance to respond. 4. Not adjusting the scheme to fit the personnel. 5. Micromanaging everything and everyone.
One for coaches in general: Yelling at officials instead of focusing on the task at hand.
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