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Post by coachorr on May 23, 2009 21:26:59 GMT -6
1. Thinking you have to be a hardass (using fear) to motivate players. But, what if I am a hardass? ;D
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Post by coachorr on May 23, 2009 22:01:06 GMT -6
The modify timespan on this site is ridiculous, you should be able to go and modify your own comment any comment any time you want. It hasn't been an hour. I wanted to add to #2 for HC's: Not setting clear expectations for assistants.
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Post by jpdaley25 on May 24, 2009 7:44:32 GMT -6
2.Not realizing the work that has to be done that has zero to do with the on the field product ( cutting grass, cleaning toilets, washing practice gear, etc....) - Bama
That's my biggest issue with young coaches. There's a ton of guys who want to coach their position and be all cool on the sidelines on Friday nights. Not so many are willing to clean and disinfect the weightroom or locker room. Not many are willing to clean toilets, mow grass, line and paint the field, weed eat, paint, clean the water coolers, do laundry at 2 am after an away game, tape ankles, work on facility upgrade projects in the summer, pick up trash, load the equipment for an away game, set up the practice field before practice, set up the game field before the game, put away the game field equipment after the game, clean out the visitors' locker room after the game - etc. etc. etc.
That sort of takes the glamor out of it.
If you aren't willing to do your fair share of those things, I don't care if you are the next Vince Lombardi, you won't work for me.
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Post by cwood on May 24, 2009 11:06:42 GMT -6
I don't think young coach's work very hard (not all young coach's). They show up a few minutes before practice and they are the first to leave. I also see that their players see this and realize that their coach is not a hard worker.
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Post by caneman on May 24, 2009 12:06:48 GMT -6
This is what my first hc coach told me when I started coaching, he was an ole ball coach and what he said turned out to be true:
1) If you don't like what you see on film, then you don't like your coaching.
2) It's all business out on the field, don't try to be their friend once you step on the field.
3) If you are not doing it in a game, then don't rep it in practice.
4) If you didn't practice it that week then don't call it in the game; don't draw plays in the dirt and run it in the game.
5) Don't complain about your players because they are all you've got.
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Post by coachorr on May 24, 2009 12:41:09 GMT -6
Caneman, I need to make that into a plaque and hang it. Nice.
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Post by coachcb on May 24, 2009 16:15:23 GMT -6
1. Not knowing when to keep their traps shut. 2. Not knowing when to listen, or even HOW to do so in some cases... 3. Assuming that the game comes to down to SCHEMES, not teaching and fundamentals. Always gotta find the SUPER-SCHEME..Always changing the SCHEME. 4. Not understanding that coaching is teaching; you have to teach them how to play the game. 5. Thinking that you either have to be the kids best friend or a drill instructor to get the kids attention..
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Post by rpetrie on May 24, 2009 21:46:25 GMT -6
All things mentioned are great, but probably my biggest mistake that I must continually work on is... Coaching with emotion ;D vs. coaching emotionally
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Post by coachdubyah on May 25, 2009 10:30:41 GMT -6
I don't think young coach's work very hard (not all young coach's). They show up a few minutes before practice and they are the first to leave. I also see that their players see this and realize that their coach is not a hard worker. I think you could say the same thing for older complacent coaches as well.
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Post by mariner42 on May 25, 2009 16:03:23 GMT -6
I don't think young coach's work very hard (not all young coach's). They show up a few minutes before practice and they are the first to leave. I also see that their players see this and realize that their coach is not a hard worker. I think you could say the same thing for older complacent coaches as well. Let's just leave it at 'bad' coaches. I've worked with young guys who come in smelling of last night's booze and girls (roommate), I've worked with old guys who were in it for the community recognition and association with the program. I'm not a fan of either approach, since I come in as early as possible and I'm almost always one of the last 3 to leave. I don't think that equates to being a good coach, but it's an important indicator of someone who wants to be.
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Post by 42falcon on May 25, 2009 17:33:52 GMT -6
Hi guys I am a young coach (DC) and I have been blessed wth some amazing teams over the last few years. So much so that I thought I could get cute with things this year and ended up having a poor spring season. We are just getting into playoffs for our all-star spring leauge and this isthe only time I have ever had a losing record as a coach. At first I thought I have a bad crop this year but I realized it was not them it is me!
My 5 mistakes (could be 20 haha)
1.) to much to soon I put to much in and gave the players to much credit for thinking they knew it 2) to much focus on scheme and not enough on basics tackling, sheding blocks, basic coverage skills VS complex coverages 3) allowing a cancer on the team to eat away at everything the kids have worked so hard to establish (this team had not won a game in 4 years before we took it over a season ago) 4) not enough discipline, there is a fine line between to much and not enough I was on the to little end, which will never happen again. 5) make sure your staff is as commited as you are
I have learned as much from this thread as any of the others I have read. Every young coach should have to read this thread!
As for young coaches not working hard I would say I work as hard as anyone out there unfortunately as a young coach we can get misguided or start to pour all our efforts in the wrong direction and forget what truly makes a team great.
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Post by touchdownmaker on May 25, 2009 19:09:53 GMT -6
neglecting own family, friends, body, job, faith
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Post by splitricky5 on May 25, 2009 20:51:48 GMT -6
Talking instead of listening to older coaches. You don't know everything, so shutup. Wish somebody would have said that to me a few years ago...
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Post by splitricky5 on May 25, 2009 20:53:13 GMT -6
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Post by CoachCP on May 25, 2009 21:09:53 GMT -6
My top 5-
5)Failing to realize the potential of those around you, like thinking a young coach is too "brash" and inexperienced or even "stupid", while young coaches think an older coach is "too old" or "out of touch" with the game, and "laziness" from both sides is a very common problem.
4)Criticizing at the wrong spots and times (at a player when it was truly your own fault because you failed to teach it properly)
3)Cockiness
2)"Watching" the game, instead of performing one's coaching duties
1)Coming prepared, all the papers, scouting reports in the booth, play call list, and losing it in the heat of a moment throwing all that away
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Post by coachdubyah on May 25, 2009 22:25:18 GMT -6
I am going to go on a rant here so just bare with me...
I have only been coaching for 3 years, my 4th will be in August. There are a lot of things that I have done that wished I wouldn't have done. My first year, I thought I knew it all. I thought that with me playing in college that put me ahead of the game so to speak. I also thought you had to show up early in the morning and leave late at night. I plain as day did not "GET IT". It took a lot of a$$ whippings for me to wake up. My first year was rough. I was not really "liked" so to speak. The older guys liked that I would do the grunt work like mowing, washing towels, etc... But, I was a punk that did not know when to shut my mouth and I complained too much. Since then I have turned over a new leaf. I really began to see the error in my ways when I just sat back after my first season and really looked at everything that I was doing and not doing.
Here is what I found:
I have learned that you don't need to get there early in the morning or leave late at night. It is all about time management. Get in, get your work done, and go home. That sounds easy, but sometimes it may take a 14-16 hour day. DON'T WASTE TIME!!!
I have learned that "a LEADER listens, a LOSER waits his turn to try and make a point". I was being a loser by popping off and trying to show what rocket formula that I could come up with on a GREASE Board. (There's that word again!!!)
Bottom Line: I think all of us have done all of the these and others listed in other threads. That is what makes our profession the greatest in the world. You are going to make mistakes. It is not the end of the world. The sun is going to rise in the morning. Your wife is still going to love you, you will always be a hero to your kids or someone, and GOD is always willing to help if you ask Him. Making these mistakes does not make us BAD coaches, not learning from them makes us BAD coaches. I hope I was able to give some insight or advice on this. Keep working hard!!! This board is great and I learned a lot from my mistakes from guys on this board. CoachHuey, AirRaider, Brophy, and Tog to name a few of the many. Just be willing to accept your faults and learn from them.
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Post by touchdownmaker on May 26, 2009 4:59:16 GMT -6
I think the number one mistake made in coaching is failing to teach new coaches how to coach.
I mean, giving someone a title and expecting them to already know your expectations, understand commitment and loyalty and the kind of time and hard work required....teach them, and maybe they will meet your expectations. Leave it to guess work, expect them to read your mind, explain nothing and teaching nothing and youll be disappointed and writing them off as duds.
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Post by gunrun on May 26, 2009 9:38:46 GMT -6
neglecting own family, friends, body, job, faith tdmaker, I also liked this one: 3) I think failing to focus on blocking, tackling and ball security is a huge mistake This was my first big mistake as a coach. It is easy to neglect fundamentals as the season goes along, but fundamentals win football games. Also, trying to coach like someone you are not (personality-wise) is a big mistake I have made and learned from.
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Post by jgdawgs on May 27, 2009 12:02:11 GMT -6
Being a young dumb assistant (4 years now) I do have a few that I would tell a player now if they were getting into coaching.
1) Always make positives out of the negatives. Right now my school hasn't been very good and during winter conditioning I stopped talking about how bad we were in the past and started to talk about this group changing the culture of our football program. Kids seemed to really respond better to the positive form.
2) In a coaching meeting tell your opinion. I have a few friends that complain about not being being apart of the game planning but they never wanted to speak up and speak there opinions. If you want to move up show what you know.
Thats all I got but great topic come them coming.
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Post by touchdownmaker on May 27, 2009 12:57:06 GMT -6
I learn this one every day as a teacher, parent and coach:
THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IS SAYING SOMETHING YOU DO NOT MEAN. IF YOU SAY IT, YOUD BETTER MEAN IT.
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Post by lnueva32 on May 27, 2009 14:12:11 GMT -6
Student-Athletes. The student part comes first!!
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Post by phantom on May 30, 2009 20:13:06 GMT -6
1 captain who chose not to play in 2 games because he didn't want to change his shoe laces!). I missed this the first time but now I can't let it pass. SAY WHAT?
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Post by chadp56 on May 31, 2009 19:53:13 GMT -6
Yea, this really happened. The kids shoelaces broke and he put in some old boot shoelaces that looked like crap. The HC told him to change them. Days go by and no change. I give him a new pair, days go by and no change. Kid was told if they aren't changed on game day he wasn't playing. Game day comes and he stands on the sidelines with his shoelaces. Then Monday he comes to practice with the same shoelaces. The coach sends him home and tells him not to come back unless he changes them. He was going to quit and our superintendent talked him into changing his shoelaces. This is a small school and that year we had a lot of injuries and only suited up about 17-20 players a game. He missed most of 2 games over this. This kid was a captain and two way starter. Crazy situation. Somehow this kid walked away with one school's top student athlete awards.
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Post by bccarnes on Jun 1, 2009 11:20:44 GMT -6
Great post John Z
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Post by tedseay on Jun 2, 2009 6:27:43 GMT -6
ERRORS IN TACTICS AND STRATEGY: FIRST = TACTICS AND VICTORY. You get very few victories on tactics. Victories come if you can out block, out tackle, out fundamental your opponent. Red Sanders quote: ?Intimidate them physically?! Outmaneuver ? no. Defeat ? yes. SECOND = CLEAR CUT PHILOSOPHY A MUST. Decide on an offense and defense that will suit your personnel then stick to it. Yes, but -- what happens when the red and the blue highlights above come into conflict? Physical intimidation is not the only way to win football games, and it may not be the strategy on offense (in particular) which best matches your personnel. As Bill Walsh noted while at Stanford the first time, he liked his chances of throwing play-action from the 25 and having USC chase his kids into the end zone a lot better than he liked the prospect of powering through USC's defense from the 5-yard line. Misdirection lends itself to outmaneuvering the opponent without having to physically dominate or intimidate him on a regular basis. As such it is a useful "equalizer" philosophy, IMO...
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Post by phantom on Jun 2, 2009 8:00:12 GMT -6
Yea, this really happened. The kids shoelaces broke and he put in some old boot shoelaces that looked like crap. The HC told him to change them. Days go by and no change. I give him a new pair, days go by and no change. Kid was told if they aren't changed on game day he wasn't playing. Game day comes and he stands on the sidelines with his shoelaces. Then Monday he comes to practice with the same shoelaces. The coach sends him home and tells him not to come back unless he changes them. He was going to quit and our superintendent talked him into changing his shoelaces. This is a small school and that year we had a lot of injuries and only suited up about 17-20 players a game. He missed most of 2 games over this. This kid was a captain and two way starter. Crazy situation. Somehow this kid walked away with one school's top student athlete awards. I needed a few days to drink in and couch a diplomatic reply. I think that the kid and HC are both nuts. Shoelaces? Frikkin' shoelaces? How bad could they have looked? Were they red and green with a blinking light and played La Cucaracha when he clicked his heels? And this went on for two weeks? Did the HC talk to the kid about or weren't they talking to each other? No doubt the kid was wrong but somebody has to be the adult and that would be, well, the adult.
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