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Post by airman on Dec 13, 2008 14:42:25 GMT -6
Auburn hired Gene Chizki. He is a auburn guy. was the dc for a few years.
Interesting to see who Iowa state hired. He made 1.1 million at iowa state.
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Post by khalfie on Dec 13, 2008 14:59:26 GMT -6
Was I-state a power I didn't know about? Were they beating iowa every year or something?
This is Auburns strategic plan to compete with Bama... the SEC?
Wow!
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 13, 2008 16:11:30 GMT -6
To make Lowder go away no Auburn fan should buy Yella Wood for the next 4 years!
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Dec 13, 2008 16:27:59 GMT -6
Sorry coach,
Yellawood is another guy, the Colonial bank is where our "beloved" Lowder resides.
OJW
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 13, 2008 22:39:09 GMT -6
Even worse OJW, hope you don't bank there!
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Post by khalfie on Dec 14, 2008 9:31:16 GMT -6
Back on topic...
Chizik... was 5-19? Gets the Auburn gig for his efforts? Gets a promotion for his efforts?
Forget the fact that T. Gill was available... this is how Auburn intends to contend with the Saban era?
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Post by 19delta on Dec 14, 2008 11:44:40 GMT -6
Definitely an odd hire.
I figured that a program like Auburn would have looked to make a bigger splash. I'm sure that Chizik is a fine coach and all, but I would have thought that Auburn could have done better.
Is Chizik really an upgrade over Tommy Tuberville?
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Post by 19delta on Dec 14, 2008 11:50:24 GMT -6
Forget the fact that T. Gill was available... this is how Auburn intends to contend with the Saban era? Great point. Chizik wasn't really known as a great recruiter in his two seasons at Iowa State. Saban, on the other hand, is well-known for his recruiting prowess. I'm not sure if bringing in Chizik is going to make a lot of headway in regards to competing against Alabama for in-state talent. |
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Post by DLine06 on Dec 14, 2008 14:09:49 GMT -6
Chizik didn't have much to work with at Iowa State. The program itself has to compete with the Big 12 and has to deal with the likes of Kansas, K-State, Nebraska, Colorado and Mizzou (Big 12 North).
The hire may be odd but, Chizik now has the athletes to solidify the defense.
Before we cast judgement, we should wait and see who will be the offensive coordinator.
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Post by airman on Dec 14, 2008 14:15:52 GMT -6
his OC will be a I formation Iso, power run kind of guy. maybe even a wisbone guy. Auburn has yet to figure out you can actually throw the ball.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 14, 2008 14:18:12 GMT -6
his OC will be a I formation Iso, power run kind of guy. maybe even a wisbone guy. I don't think so... |
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Post by khalfie on Dec 14, 2008 14:32:54 GMT -6
Chizik didn't have much to work with at Iowa State. The program itself has to compete with the Big 12 and has to deal with the likes of Kansas, K-State, Nebraska, Colorado and Mizzou (Big 12 North). The hire may be odd but, Chizik now has the athletes to solidify the defense. Before we cast judgement, we should wait and see who will be the offensive coordinator. On one hand... I hear ya coach... but on the other hand... he was 5-14 at a program that at the very least, at one time, was a team good teams didn't want to face. I think we are splitting hairs in regards to the Big 12 vs the sec... but if he couldn't get the athletes at I -state... I don't see it getting better at Auburn... If a players going to the SEC... I don't think Auburns at the top of the list. i don't know if the judgement is premature... Chizik had 2 years in I state, 5-14? 5-14 Gets you a promotion in program? Gets you a raise? I don't understand how being a member of the previous regime, that just recently got fired, entitles one to more leniency in judgement, a better school, and probably more pay. I guess I'm just bitter.  |
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Post by DLine06 on Dec 14, 2008 14:50:37 GMT -6
I understand that coach.
Hoping Chizik doesn't become a guy that will be known for being a good defensive coordinator but wasn't a great head coach. His Tenure with Texas as well as Auburn was very impressive.
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Post by brophy on Dec 14, 2008 14:53:21 GMT -6
Was I-state a power I didn't know about? Were they beating iowa every year or something? This is Auburns strategic plan to compete with Bama... the SEC? Wow! Chizik was the DC du jour from Texas before he went to ISU. The early reports of Muschamp to Auburn would have been a coup for the SEC |
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Post by airman on Dec 14, 2008 14:58:52 GMT -6
Chizik didn't have much to work with at Iowa State. The program itself has to compete with the Big 12 and has to deal with the likes of Kansas, K-State, Nebraska, Colorado and Mizzou (Big 12 North). The hire may be odd but, Chizik now has the athletes to solidify the defense. Before we cast judgement, we should wait and see who will be the offensive coordinator. On one hand... I hear ya coach... but on the other hand... he was 5-14 at a program that at the very least, at one time, was a team good teams didn't want to face. I think we are splitting hairs in regards to the Big 12 vs the sec... but if he couldn't get the athletes at I -state... I don't see it getting better at Auburn... If a players going to the SEC... I don't think Auburns at the top of the list. i don't know if the judgement is premature... Chizik had 2 years in I state, 5-14? 5-14 Gets you a promotion in program? Gets you a raise? I don't understand how being a member of the previous regime, that just recently got fired, entitles one to more leniency in judgement, a better school, and probably more pay. I guess I'm just bitter. Interesting how ISU tanked under him. ISU went to bowls from 2000 to 2005. they were 4-6 in 2006 and got worse under chizki. I bet they regret firing McCareny now. |
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Post by coachinghopeful on Dec 14, 2008 17:39:32 GMT -6
Back on topic... Chizik... was 5-19? Gets the Auburn gig for his efforts? Gets a promotion for his efforts? Forget the fact that T. Gill was available... this is how Auburn intends to contend with the Saban era? After Tennessee replaced Fulmer with 5-15 Lane Kiffin, Lowder felt like he had to show he was an even bigger genius by bringing in Chizik. Why don't they just name Lowder HC and be done with it? |
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Post by hemlock on Dec 14, 2008 19:04:48 GMT -6
In all reality this is not too entirely surprising. Turner Gill was available, but I think there are reasons why certain people within the Auburn establishment would Ok going in that direction, which is unfortunate, because he really is the real deal.
While I am not a Chizek fan, I can understand why Auburn would hire him over, let's say, somebody like Mike Leach. Chizik is a part of the Auburn family. During his tenure there he was very popular with with the alumns and boosters. In particular, he fits the profile of what they believe a football coach is supposed to be: Alpha, conservative, as well as being both socially and football wise. He is not too terribly bright. When talking with him get the impression that you are talking to a typical football coach. In other words, he is not Mike Leach.
Earlier I posted that Leach would be stupid to take the Auburn job for cultural reasons even if they offered it to him. I know many of you may think that I am making a big deal about this "culture" thing, but it really is important, because it relates to the issue of "fit." That is, is this guy a good "fit" for us. Remember Mike Price. Price is a fabulous football coach. Throughout his entire career he has done more with less on a routine basis. He was hired by Alabama, and yes, made a mistake, but by that time 'Bama's brass was looking for any reason they could to get rid of him. The West Coast, progressive, liberal Price was not a "fit" for the culture of UA; he did not conform to their idea of what a football coach should be. This is what most likely would have happened at Auburn had they made any overtures to Leach. The first time he stumbled they would have been all over him like flies on ..... It's sad, because they ended up hiring a guy who has yet shown that he has what it takes, even though I think we should remember that ISU is not a walk in the park.
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Post by DLine06 on Dec 14, 2008 19:44:37 GMT -6
hemlock, I agree with you.
A lot of these big time programs such as Michigan and for that matter the SEC, require the "fit" as like a qualification.
The SEC is probably the most conserative conference and for the obvious reason that it's in the most conserative part of the nation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2008 21:02:46 GMT -6
Definitely an odd hire. I figured that a program like Auburn would have looked to make a bigger splash. I'm sure that Chizik is a fine coach and all, but I would have thought that Auburn could have done better. Is Chizik really an upgrade over Tommy Tuberville? thats what i was thinking when i heard...i feel like i should have applied for the job |
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Dec 15, 2008 0:01:35 GMT -6
Great post Hemlock,
You have to know the culture-that's for sure.
But the comparision between Muschamp and Chizik should be that both were Auburn and Texas Defensive Coordinators.
I asked on the Auburn board, "why is Muschamp better?" sure he has that "boom" thing going for him on Utube, but Chizik actually has HC experience-although not succesful.
But, from what I know Muschamp (being the wild eyed DC that he is) rubbed alot of people in high positions the wrong way.
Understanding the culture in Alabama is very important. It's not about racism, forget that, that's not what I'm talking about, that stuff lives even in Northern states believe it or not, and it's evil.
I'm talking about something that, unless you are from there or lived there, you don't understand.
Here's a clue for you, listen to Bear Bryant talk, listen to Pat Dye talk, get past the southern drawl and listen to WHAT they are expressing with their words.
It is a culture that is as distinct as someone from the North East of this county.
The "powers that be" felt that Coach Chizik fit their culture better.
Hopefully he will get Auburn back to running the ball and stopping the run.
That's football right there, been that way for 100 years.
Do that-and good things will happen to you, don't do that and you lose. I still believe in it.
OJW
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Post by davecisar on Dec 15, 2008 6:37:27 GMT -6
Chizik didn't have much to work with at Iowa State. The program itself has to compete with the Big 12 and has to deal with the likes of Kansas, K-State, Nebraska, Colorado and Mizzou (Big 12 North). The hire may be odd but, Chizik now has the athletes to solidify the defense. Before we cast judgement, we should wait and see who will be the offensive coordinator. NU K-State and Colorado have been very very beatbale during the 2 seasons Chizek was at ISU. KU was pretty beatable this season as well and MIzzou is not top 5 material etc Ames is a very tough place to consistently be competitive at but I think ISU really blew it getting rid of Dan McCarney, he is a great guy and was a great fit there. |
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Post by dacoordinator on Dec 15, 2008 7:44:35 GMT -6
i understand he has ties to Iowa... but i dont really understand the move personally.
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Post by Coach JR on Dec 15, 2008 9:19:42 GMT -6
In all reality this is not too entirely surprising. Turner Gill was available, but I think there are reasons why certain people within the Auburn establishment would Ok going in that direction, which is unfortunate, because he really is the real deal. While I am not a Chizek fan, I can understand why Auburn would hire him over, let's say, somebody like Mike Leach. Chizik is a part of the Auburn family. During his tenure there he was very popular with with the alumns and boosters. In particular, he fits the profile of what they believe a football coach is supposed to be: Alpha, conservative, as well as being both socially and football wise. He is not too terribly bright. When talking with him get the impression that you are talking to a typical football coach. In other words, he is not Mike Leach. Earlier I posted that Leach would be stupid to take the Auburn job for cultural reasons even if they offered it to him. I know many of you may think that I am making a big deal about this "culture" thing, but it really is important, because it relates to the issue of "fit." That is, is this guy a good "fit" for us. Remember Mike Price. Price is a fabulous football coach. Throughout his entire career he has done more with less on a routine basis. He was hired by Alabama, and yes, made a mistake, but by that time 'Bama's brass was looking for any reason they could to get rid of him. The West Coast, progressive, liberal Price was not a "fit" for the culture of UA; he did not conform to their idea of what a football coach should be. This is what most likely would have happened at Auburn had they made any overtures to Leach. The first time he stumbled they would have been all over him like flies on ..... It's sad, because they ended up hiring a guy who has yet shown that he has what it takes, even though I think we should remember that ISU is not a walk in the park. Good post! It's a PR nightmare for Auburn unfortunately. And it may not matter if Chizik is successful...he's tainted from a fan's perspective with his HC record. 2 years ago he'd have been a good hire. And I realize ISU isn't a good place to judge him on as a HC, nor is just 2 years...but it is what we have and it aint good. |
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Post by knighter on Dec 15, 2008 9:42:13 GMT -6
Hell there are thousands of guys who could have won more games at ISU than Chizik. I say good riddance, never understood why ISU let Mac go to hire him.
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Post by coachbb on Dec 15, 2008 10:33:11 GMT -6
hemlock, I agree with you. A lot of these big time programs such as Michigan and for that matter the SEC, require the "fit" as like a qualification. The SEC is probably the most conserative conference and for the obvious reason that it's in the most conserative part of the nation. If you are discussing political issues, then the most conservative part of the country would be the Mountain West territory. |
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Post by doublewing on Dec 15, 2008 16:33:05 GMT -6
all I will say is remember the name Joe Torre? went to the yankees w/ a losing record. but the environment was better, the expectations higher and the organization had a tradition. the results of Torre, regardless of the record he arrived with in the bronx, speaks for itself. I'd say the same can be said of auburn
time will tell
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Post by knighter on Dec 15, 2008 17:09:29 GMT -6
This is true DW. Perhaps Chizik will settle in at Auburn and find his niche. ISU and him were not a god fit. I worked camps for him and for Mac, and he is a good guy, just did not "see" or "feel" the passion for Ames (and for ISU) that Mac had. I hope it works out for him at Auburn.
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Post by hemlock on Dec 15, 2008 20:32:41 GMT -6
I hate to say it, but something stinks about the way this hire was done. I generally dismiss whatever floats out of Charles Barkley's mouth, but I think that their might be some truth in what he is saying.
I don't want to ramble about race. I've spent a lot of time in the South and I love it; love the people, love the culture, love the way of life. In many ways the South is far more racially integrated than the North. However, within certain elite circles, the moneyed and well healed circles that for the most part happend to be caucasian I feel that old prejudices die hard.
The fact is, when you compare the resumes, Gill's by far is superior to Chizik's; morever, he inherited and built (not rebuilt) a program with absolutely no tradition whatsoever. And then there is that thing called temperment. I've met Gill and I've met Chizik. There is little doubt in my mind who I would rather have representing my university - Turner Gill - a gentleman and a scholar. As far as Chizik is concerned, well, the less said the better.
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Post by tog on Dec 15, 2008 20:42:23 GMT -6
i for one hope gill ends up at a better place than that cesspool of booster pull
gill is a classy dude
if you have ever had a kid recruited by him you would know he is the real deal
i would want my kid to play for him
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Post by drfootball99 on Dec 15, 2008 20:45:16 GMT -6
I've been watch Gill most of the year. His best attribute, Playcaller. The man knows how to call plays and has a knack for it. Is great in all other areas. He's a really great pc. IMO.
Something went on behind the scenes or he really had a bad interview. Hey, I say good for UB!! Turn my hometown program into a powerhouse!! Won't hear boo out of me.
Have a nice holiday all.....
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