ccox16
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Post by ccox16 on Nov 24, 2008 22:16:23 GMT -6
I was wondering what everyone's classifications is for their team? Whats the highest classification your state goes up to? here in Florida We go up to 6A. They also just remodeled the districts for next year. now instead of 16 districts with the top 2 getting in were going to 8 districts and the top 4 getting in.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 24, 2008 22:50:03 GMT -6
Coach, thanks for the info. I've been waiting to hear what the FHSAA was going to do. Tell me more. OJW
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ccox16
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Post by ccox16 on Nov 24, 2008 23:30:46 GMT -6
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 24, 2008 23:35:17 GMT -6
For us enrollment is the key. Right now we have 105 students, so we need more people to be able to compete consistantly. You can see that we have just about every able-bodied man playing football, and some that are not.
Thanks, OJW
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2008 23:42:25 GMT -6
i think every state does it different, usually by enrollment.
shoot, even out here in CA, there's different classifications per section and then also classifications for the state bowl games which are only in their 3rd year (previously no state champ in CA).
most of the parts of the state so with I, II, III etc based on enrollment...city of LA section has 2 divisions that are sorted by competitveness, i guess (basically all the good teams in 1 division and all the not as good teams in the other, although the winner of the 2nd division could probably beat the 5-6 worst teams in the top division). up in the bay area, central coast section has large, medium, small schools and then an open division that doesnt factor in enrollment, i think the school has to petition to compete in this division or petition to compete in a higher division which they can do
for determining the state champions there's divisions 1, 2, 3, and a small schools division and then an open division....however unless youre one of the top 5-10 or so teams from norcal or socal in each of these state divisions they are meaningless to you since theres no state playoff, just a bowl game system
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ccox16
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Post by ccox16 on Nov 25, 2008 0:00:05 GMT -6
OJW i guess i can see your problem, although I dont have that problem, Im at a school of 3,000+. If you want we can start sending you the kids we cut.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 25, 2008 8:29:17 GMT -6
ccox16, my Christmas list is in the mail. My name's Jimmy, I'll take all you gimme'. If only that were true. Coached public school for quite a while, we started this private school program 5 years ago-it has been a challenge, and I've had to adapt some of my "evil coaching ways" for private school. It is in some ways very different and at the same time, a lot alike. I love kids and coaching and although the football doesn't travel quite as fast, I've had a great time. I often say that 1B feels like somewhere between youth ball and JV, but I do have a few kids that could play anywhere. OJW
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Post by saintrad on Nov 25, 2008 10:47:48 GMT -6
Arizona has 1A 2A 3A 4A-II 4A-I 5A-II 5A-I
Oregon has six: 1A to 6A
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Post by rideanddecide on Nov 25, 2008 10:55:09 GMT -6
Wisconsin: 224 teams qualify, 32 go into each division. We end up with 7 divisions by enrollment.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 25, 2008 10:58:00 GMT -6
PA has 4 classes A-AAAA
Number of boys 9-11 Class #of schools in each class
1 - 195 A 151 196 - 327 AA 157 328 - 539 AAA 144 540 - 99999 AAAA 148
600 schools competing for 4 state titles. Needless to say it's pretty special to win one in PA
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Post by airman on Nov 25, 2008 11:04:35 GMT -6
PA has 4 classes A-AAAA Number of boys 9-11 Class #of schools in each class 1 - 195 A 151 196 - 327 AA 157 328 - 539 AAA 144 540 - 99999 AAAA 148 600 schools competing for 4 state titles. Needless to say it's pretty special to win one in PA I would say so. Imagine being 540 and having to take on a school 3 or 4 times you school. penn does it right. they have not taken the PC approach that everyone should have a championship to feel good about themselves.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 25, 2008 11:15:07 GMT -6
I know of at least one school in PA that chooses to "play up" to AAAA for better competition and better chance of making the playoffs (based on the point system).
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Post by chadp56 on Nov 25, 2008 11:25:43 GMT -6
In Michigan there are 8 divisions, with division 1 being the largest (these schools have a couple thousand kids in 9-12) and division 8 the smallest (these schools have a couple hundred kids 9-12).
They take all the 6-3 or better teams and a handfull of highley rated 5-4 teams to get to 256 total teams. They then list them by enrollment and split them up into 8 32 team divisions. All schools (public and private) play together, which is a hot debate amongst some.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 25, 2008 12:04:03 GMT -6
I know of at least one school in PA that chooses to "play up" to AAAA for better competition and better chance of making the playoffs (based on the point system). Not all districts use the point system either. another unique thing in PA is that it is basically up to the districts to determine who make the playoffs then the winners of those districts go on in the inner-district playoffs. In our class in our district they take the top 4 teams for both regions, some districts may go on a point system. So it all depends on where you are.
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Post by cjamerson on Nov 25, 2008 13:46:27 GMT -6
Missouri Based on enrollment 6 classes...each class is divided into 4 team districts
1st 7 games of the season do not matter towards play-offs...only final 3 district games
Two teams with best records in final 3 games make the play-offs. If there is a tie, it goes to head-to-head, then to points up to 13 per game.
This was first year for two to come from each district. I believe we had 8 in class 2 with .500 or below record in the playoffs. Several three way ties. A 6-win (2-1 in districts) team choked to a 1 win team in final game of season to knock them out of play-off picture. That gave the 1 win team there 2nd win on season and in districts and they went to the playoffs, while 6 win team went home. Strength of schedule was very similar...many common opponents throughout season. Just nature of the beast.
Had a 3-7 team make it to quarterfinals. Class 5 had a district's #2 (5-5) seed make it to semi-finals...knocked off 2 #1's, ended season at 8-5.
Another flaw (IMO) in the system is the chance to see your district opponent in 2nd round. The bracket is set up where #1 from District 1 plays #2 of District 2...#1 of District 2 to play #2 of District 1. Saw several rematches in 2nd round...basically delaying someone getting sent home.
Not a fan of the system...
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 25, 2008 14:30:31 GMT -6
I know of at least one school in PA that chooses to "play up" to AAAA for better competition and better chance of making the playoffs (based on the point system). Not all districts use the point system either. another unique thing in PA is that it is basically up to the districts to determine who make the playoffs then the winners of those districts go on in the inner-district playoffs. In our class in our district they take the top 4 teams for both regions, some districts may go on a point system. So it all depends on where you are. This is true--but of course the PIAA still controls how many teams from each district make the state playoffs. Either way playing 16 games (10 regular season, 6 post-season or 5 if you're lucky and get a bye) is a long haul to win a state championship!
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 25, 2008 18:06:16 GMT -6
dohio, I like the idea of counting just boys, that makes good sense, which means we here in Florida won't do it. But how small are your schools up there? This was our old system here in Florida that was just changed: 6A 2584-4742 there are 83 schools 5A 2055-2583 there are 81 schools 4A 1708-2054 there are 81 schools 3A 1067-1707 there are 83 schools 2A 617-1066 there are 40 schools 2B 411-616 there are 37 schools 1A 233-410 there are 42 schools 1B 50-232 there are 39 schools Independent there are 48 schools (mostly small 1B and new) the 1B indendent schools are most often Christian schools, or church schools with about 150 kids or so total. They are divided into districts with the top 2 teams in each district going to the playoffs. These things are adjusted every 2 years now. Since Florida is such a diverse state we have a rural and urban system. The FHSAA likes to keep rural schools playing rural schools and urban schools playing urban schools. I like that system also, but it gets a little spread out sometimes. You have to understand that Florida is essentially a new state that is one of the fastest growing states in the Union. And not everybody moving in is over 75 years of age, who drives under 45 M.P.H. (little Florida humor there-very little)
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ccox16
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Post by ccox16 on Nov 25, 2008 18:14:29 GMT -6
And not everybody moving in is over 75 years of age, who drives under 45 M.P.H. (little Florida humor there-very little) If this is true then why does it seem like im always behind these people.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 25, 2008 19:03:29 GMT -6
Missouri Based on enrollment 6 classes...each class is divided into 4 team districts 1st 7 games of the season do not matter towards play-offs...only final 3 district games Two teams with best records in final 3 games make the play-offs. If there is a tie, it goes to head-to-head, then to points up to 13 per game. This was first year for two to come from each district. I believe we had 8 in class 2 with .500 or below record in the playoffs. Several three way ties. A 6-win (2-1 in districts) team choked to a 1 win team in final game of season to knock them out of play-off picture. That gave the 1 win team there 2nd win on season and in districts and they went to the playoffs, while 6 win team went home. Strength of schedule was very similar...many common opponents throughout season. Just nature of the beast. Had a 3-7 team make it to quarterfinals. Class 5 had a district's #2 (5-5) seed make it to semi-finals...knocked off 2 #1's, ended season at 8-5. Another flaw (IMO) in the system is the chance to see your district opponent in 2nd round. The bracket is set up where #1 from District 1 plays #2 of District 2...#1 of District 2 to play #2 of District 1. Saw several rematches in 2nd round...basically delaying someone getting sent home. Not a fan of the system... Wow could be the worst system I have heard of.
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Post by tarrant on Nov 25, 2008 23:07:40 GMT -6
DCOHIO,
We'd love to drop down to 1B, but even under the proposed new terms we'd still be stuck with the 1A level competing with X, Iggy, Moellar, Elder and the like. Not that it's a big deal since we actually have to get to the playoffs to see most of them except Elder.
Seeing how some other states break things up, it would be nice to see a rural/urban or public/private system here but that will never happen.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 26, 2008 14:02:35 GMT -6
there are only about 500 schools in florida that play football? that can't be right, is it?
there are 3 times that many here
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 26, 2008 14:19:34 GMT -6
Nebraska:
There are 6 classifications. (A, B, C1, C2, D1, D2)
Class A- Top 28 enrollment wise (bottom is about 1100 9-12) Class B- next 32 schools (wide range... 400-1100) Class C- Remaining 11 man football schools. There are around 130-140. Class C is divided in to two divisions for playoffs. Class D- 8 man schools, (around 130-140 again). Divided in to two divisions.
Class A & B 16 playoff teams: District winners plus wild cards Class C & D changed in 2002 to 32 teams, also Dist. winners and wild cards. We have 10 districts in our class- so some may send as many as 4 to the playoffs (as was the case in ours), or might have only one.
Nebraska also has 6 man football, which is not sanctioned right now (discontinued in 1998-99). I believe 12 teams still play 6 man. The state will sanction if that number reaches 16... so we might see it back in a few years with rapidly declining enrollments.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 26, 2008 14:23:18 GMT -6
My first teaching job was at a public school who had graduating classes of 30-32 kids
dcohio... we dream of classes that big. Our freshman class has 9. Not 9 boys... 9 students (4 are boys- 2 play FB).
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Post by knighter on Nov 26, 2008 14:28:44 GMT -6
Iowa
8 Man A 1A 2A 3A 4A (being the largest)
In all classes top 4 teams from all districts (8 per class) make the "substate" round. Winners qualify for the playoffs.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 26, 2008 17:47:21 GMT -6
Coach Huey, There are 541 schools in Florida that play football. This includes independents, affiliated schools (7 I think) and 1B-5A. We have 14-16 Million people here but a lot of them have already used up their high school eligibility.
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Post by clloyd on Nov 26, 2008 19:49:52 GMT -6
A couple of questions? Why 9-11 grades? In DE there are only 50 schools total we have two divisions. But it is based on total school population and location in the state based on our conference. The main question I have is how do teams qualify for the state tournament and how many teams make it to the show?
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Post by k on Nov 26, 2008 22:02:57 GMT -6
Connecticut: Enrollment: Boys 10-12 (I believe)
Class LL (854+) Class L (668-853) Class MM (573-667) Class M (483-571) Class SS (383-482) Class S (Up to 381)
This doesn't include the prep schools obviously because they have PGs.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 27, 2008 11:19:14 GMT -6
Maryland:
The MPSSAA 188 schools will be broken evenly into four classifications titled 4A, 3A, 2A and 1A. 4A = Top 25 percent based on enrollment (1344-2375) 3A = Next 25 percent based on enrollment (1017-1341) 2A = Next 25 percent based on enrollment (837-1011) 1A = Lowest 25 percent based on enrollment (170-825)
There are four regions in the state; 4 teams from each region make the playoffs; so in each region 16 out of ~47 make the playoffs.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 27, 2008 11:53:00 GMT -6
A couple of questions? Why 9-11 grades? In DE there are only 50 schools total we have two divisions. But it is based on total school population and location in the state based on our conference. The main question I have is how do teams qualify for the state tournament and how many teams make it to the show? I know they do 9-11 in PA because they reclassify every two years and the 12th graders would be gone for the next cycle so their thinking is the 9-11 will be the boys who are actually playing since the 12th graders would be gone. Make sense?
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Post by clloyd on Nov 27, 2008 20:34:03 GMT -6
How do your teams make the playoffs though? Is there a point system? How many of your games are predetermined because of your conference, district, etc?
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