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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 28, 2008 16:42:52 GMT -6
What do you provide your team at half time --- water, gatorade, bananas? Especially the early weeks of hot weather...
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Post by k on Jul 28, 2008 18:42:33 GMT -6
Gatorade/water and orange slices
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jul 28, 2008 18:53:03 GMT -6
We are completely unscientific...of course. We have gatorade, grapes, bananas and the thing that the 3rd stringers can't wait to get their hands on...snickers bars. I'm sure we do the candy bars becuase of "junk science", I know they are a terrible idea but I like them too. Sometimes, I'll have all 4 things for my snack. OJW
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 28, 2008 21:24:55 GMT -6
water, gatorade, bananas?
and orange slices.
However, often times assistant coaches come down from the box with popcorn or hot dogs (those usually are not shared).
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Post by kurtbryan on Jul 28, 2008 22:56:56 GMT -6
This is a GOOD topic and something I take seriously.
As coaches, we cannot force or persuade kids to drink things, BUT, one of the items we offer as an option is an engery drink that does NOT make the kids spike up and then crash, it simply gives them the right amount of vitamins, minerals and boost.
It is listed below my signature on here, and I highly recommend it. It is endorsed by several professional leagues and I did my homework before using it and putting it out there.
KB
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Post by herky on Jul 29, 2008 11:30:22 GMT -6
one of the items we offer as an option is an engery drink that does NOT make the kids spike up and then crash, it simply gives them the right amount of vitamins, minerals and boost. It is listed below my signature on here, and I highly recommend it. It is endorsed by several professional leagues and I did my homework before using it and putting it out there. KB Do you provide this magic drink to all players or are they given the option to purchase it from you? I hope it is not the latter as you are in a position of power and selling items to your players for your own gain is highly suspect and unethical.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 29, 2008 13:45:34 GMT -6
If the kids BELIEVE it will help them, they'll eat/drink just about anything! We push WATER, WATER, WATER! We also have a cooler of Gatorade (the kind you mix) and orange slices at half-time. We also have mixed up a cooler of "Gator-lite" (go the name from the trainer at Oklahoma) which is Gatorade with a small amount of table salt mixed in. Years ago I heard the OU trainer talk about this as a way to prevent cramping in high risk athletes. We explained the idea to the kids. Some didn't like the very slight salty taste, others swore it was the greatest thing in the world! The 2 years we used it regularly, our stud RB who was also a cramper never had a problem. After he graduated, we didn't get too many requests for it from our kids and I don't think we even used it last year. As far as energy drinks/bars go, don't get me started!
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 29, 2008 14:36:58 GMT -6
OK, how about pickle juice for the crampers? ever heard of this - had a trainer that swore by it.
I saw a 7-on-7 team coach supply their kids with some type of granola/energy bar - anybody else do that?
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Post by airraider on Jul 29, 2008 15:21:15 GMT -6
We go with the stim-o-stams pregame for cramps..
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Post by kurtbryan on Jul 29, 2008 15:35:50 GMT -6
We do not SELL anything to our players, ever. KB
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Post by airman on Jul 29, 2008 16:47:58 GMT -6
I think the big thing is to prehydrate. This you can control. have several water breaks during practice staring on wed and thurdays. every one drinks. I have a walk thru on friday morning so everyone drinks then too.
educate the kids about how harmful energy drinks are. I enclude gator aid in this. GA is loaded with sugar.
I had a friend whoes star tailback would cramp up. come to find out he was slamming moster energy drinks before the game.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jul 29, 2008 17:02:13 GMT -6
I had one of my "former" coaches go nuts on us about using Gatorade. He was paramedic and all had been warned about the sodium etc. I tried to tell him that the "salt" science was still undecided by a number of studies. However, because he knew everything in the world and that some doctors warn of too much salt, he wouldn't listen. I tried to tell him that his training was not with teenage athletes but with old people like me that just sit around. But he said I was wrong. Hey, I probably am.
I'm sure I'm opening a great big can-o-worms here with Gatorade, and like products though. In the 80's when I first started coaching the great minds of science banned our salt tablets and gatorade and made our kids eat bananas.
To prevent cramps, I noticed that they didn't work. I had one kid, a big time cramper, must have eaten a tree full of bananas and he still cramped bad. I knew from what I saw, that there had to be something more to it than that. Later, they started telling us to tell the kids to take potasium tablets, that that was what they needed. I decided that I wasn't going to tell the kids to take any kind of vitamin unless their parents told them to do it. But the kids who said they took potasium tablets still cramped just the same.
It wasn't until about 7 years ago that I read a study where the doctors actually took sweat from different athletes to see what was in it. Can you imagine the nerve of actually testing sweat to see what it was?
Yeah, you guessed it, water and salt and trace minerals. Amazing isn't it.
They also made an unusual discovery that we all knew but the egg-heads wouldn't pay attention to. That some people cramp more than others. Now there's some big time science there boy, wonder how many millions of $'s it took to find that out.
So we tell kids to don't sit around all day drinking cola and caffeine drinks. Don't sit around all day drinking sports drink like they were cool-ade either. We have gatorade (or similar products) they can have.
If I have a two way player that cramps alot, we will talk to his family about it. I let them decide what is the best course of action for their son. Some use the higher salt products too.
We do dynamics before and stretch after practice in a cool down. We let kids drink Gatorade at practice in limitation with as much water as they want.
This doesn't prove anything, it is totally anecdotal evidence, but I haven't lost a kid to cramps in 5 years. OJW
Now if anybody has some better stuff than what we are doing and it doesn't cost $75 a bottle. Please let us know what we need to do.
OJW
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 29, 2008 17:11:44 GMT -6
We've had a lot of kids drink pedialyte before games. No one in the last year or so,but we had some linemen who swore by it. One of those guys took midol too. Of course his teammates had a lot of fun with that...
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jul 29, 2008 18:50:15 GMT -6
Coach, I was looking at a pedialyte knockoff at the Dollar General the other day wondering what it had in it. (doesn't that just sound like a hick?) OJW
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Post by coachdjenkins on Jul 29, 2008 20:48:33 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2008 20:51:35 GMT -6
What do you provide your team at half time --- water, gatorade, bananas? Especially the early weeks of hot weather... Usually oranges, and water, now we may keep some GU gel on hand, ad well as a bottle of "pickle Juice "
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2008 20:52:16 GMT -6
I agree, it's a quick sugar replacement, as well as a ton of simple carbs
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Post by airman on Jul 30, 2008 16:03:42 GMT -6
Coach, I was looking at a pedialyte knockoff at the Dollar General the other day wondering what it had in it. (doesn't that just sound like a hick?) OJW Pedialyte has many uses. the best being a great hangover preventor. yep, slug down some pedialyte after a hard nights drinking and you will feel good as new the next morning. now you can prepedialyte as well ie before a hard nights drinking you slugdown some pedialyte. peanut butter has a ton of protien in it but also lots of sugar. still a good scoop of peanut butter at halftime is good.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 30, 2008 20:42:57 GMT -6
Last year our S&S coach put us on what the pros have been doing for the last couple of years and we didn't have a single in game cramp. We preach the pre-hydration too, but still had a few that struggled early in the heat or in big games.
-1/2 banana, 1/2 apple, 1/2 pear ( pick 2, we switch it up based on what we can get at a price). It needs to be a mix, IE not a whole banana.... apparently the mix of mineral and vitamins from the different source - 2 fig newtons, a little sugar boost and fruit - power ade (12-16 oz) with a pack of salt added ( the kind you get at a fast food restaurant) if we have a kid that is a frequent cramper or is like the couple of 1-2 % body fat freaks we have, we put in 2 packs. 2 is better but most kids don't like the taste of that much salt. Also our PA mix is usually a little weak, the sugar they add is too heavy.
we had a couple parents get this ready right before halftime.
One thing our freshman team had was some parents fix some baggies with our trail mix we offer after workouts. peanuts, m&m's, pretzels, raisens; about 1 to 1 & 1/2 cups and a power ade.
pickle juice will work, but they need to drink that before the game (about 1-11/2 hour before) and they should get down about a pint at least. Also an easy and cheap in game cramp treatment is 1 spoonful of yellow mustard.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jul 30, 2008 21:02:58 GMT -6
Coachwoodall, I've never heard of yellow mustard for cramps, what is that one about? Thanks OJW
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 30, 2008 21:10:09 GMT -6
OLW, not sure. probably the vinager like in pickle juice, TONS of salt, and maybe some trace minerals do the magic.
Either that or a spoonful tastes so bad you'll do anything to get back on the field to not have to take a second dose.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jul 30, 2008 21:37:58 GMT -6
LOL Coachwoodall, Maybe I should use this "treatment" for a number of other issues I face during the game. I could think of alot of things that a spoonful of mustard could be the cure for. thanks, OJW
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Post by jgordon1 on Jul 31, 2008 8:59:20 GMT -6
We had a cramper last year. He got a couple of sports massages and never cramped again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2008 10:25:35 GMT -6
Coachwoodall, I've never heard of yellow mustard for cramps, what is that one about? Thanks OJW salt and vinegar, salt helps retrain water, vinegar is a blood thinner, works extremely well, same thing with pickle juice
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2008 10:33:35 GMT -6
What do you provide your team at half time --- water, gatorade, bananas? Especially the early weeks of hot weather... Usually oranges, and water, now we may keep some GU gel on hand, ad well as a bottle of "pickle Juice " Forgot to add, Cheesesteaks after the game, ....we're from Philly
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Post by lsrood on Aug 1, 2008 21:02:57 GMT -6
Water, gatorade, oranges, bananas and something that is a little different (got the idea from the Steelers) Gummi Worms. Our parents have little bags made up with the gummi worms so they don't gobble large amounts and the players can take them if they want to. Some do, some don't, most all hit the gatorade, bananas, & oranges. We also preach pre-hydrating starting the night before and continuing through gameday up to & during the game. Have also had players use pedialite if they were prone to cramps.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Aug 1, 2008 23:28:37 GMT -6
Coach, being here in Florida hydration is very important. We spend a lot of time talking to the kids about it also. We tell them that they must drink as much as they possibly can during the day. We also stress that they must begin drinking the night before the game. (no I don't mean the coaches) Our daily plan never goes 30 min. without a water break until it starts to cool off in late October. We drink gatorade at our pregame meal, and we pregame hydrate at 20 minutes before kickoff. We get manditory water breaks during the games at the 8:00 minute mark of the games until October. This is for Varsity. OJW
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Post by kcbazooka on Aug 26, 2008 5:56:58 GMT -6
Thanks for all the thoughts.... I'm very lucky to have someone volunteer to make our halftime snacks -- guess we are going to go with water, gatorade, and maybe fig newtons (seems like they would be easy to supply) and oranges.
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Post by kcbazooka on Sept 1, 2008 9:34:25 GMT -6
had one kid cramp up the first game -- 2-way lineman -- mutard wasn't the instant cure...
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Post by coachev on Sept 1, 2008 10:47:56 GMT -6
The secret Fig Newtons!!! Yep, they seem to have alot of energy in them. Got this from my college HC. I don't think they help with cramps but they definitely give the kids energy.
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