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Post by brophy on Apr 20, 2008 19:28:32 GMT -6
here are a handful of clips of the 'spread' package in-action (11-12 year olds). "Exhibit A" will be submitted tomorrow morning (once finalized by Gvid) that shows the entire game of offensive possessions (run game stalling....reverting to the spread for a bail out). There are a total 5 videos. With the exception of the full game one, these clips all take place after getting a 2-3 score lead using the DW, then using the spread as a way to practice (in game) something they can use later in the championship [gvid]-827923425846027216[/gvid][gvid]6961299681645111489[/gvid] [gvid]-6959825605558462511[/gvid][gvid]5701135482763408372[/gvid]
Already planned a late May meeting with two of the coaches (might get 2 more by August) to go over purpose, practice, and drills. OUR plan isn't to throw as far as the QB here does (in spite of his technique).
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Post by los on Apr 20, 2008 20:29:05 GMT -6
Looks pretty dang good for 11-12's to me, the things you would expect to see, with "young guys" executing most any offense are there....but can be improved on for sure.....just think "how much better" it would be....with some decent protection? The "3 second rule" really comes into play, lol.....Maybe some simple audibles, to take advantage of coverages or lack thereof? I actually found myself hollering "somebody go to the post".....down there close to the left side endzone.....with the mofo, lol..... Good stuff Brophy.....looks like a good program there too!
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Post by brophy on Apr 20, 2008 20:58:11 GMT -6
.....Maybe some simple audibles, to take advantage of coverages or lack thereof? that is the point. uncovered and speed away. Mesh & Shallow (short throws). Read, Rhythm, Rush, Release --- bing,bang,boom!
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Post by morris on Apr 21, 2008 5:29:42 GMT -6
R4 creates an auto "3 sec rule" Then MOFO stuff is taught through the R4 so it would not be hard to flash a hand sign if you want to change the outside route of Mesh to Vert/corner/post. If you do it every play then a team is not going to pick up on it.
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Post by los on Apr 22, 2008 19:43:35 GMT -6
Wow!.... .....so much for the 2 man coverage or whatever that was?. ....need to tear that page out of the notebook and throw it in the trash, lol.....or teach them how to play it?......51 points....ouch....thats almost painful to watch, it was so easy
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Post by coachdoug on Apr 22, 2008 20:57:14 GMT -6
Wow - that was pretty. That looked like a lot of fun - I would have enjoyed being on that sideline. I didn't see anything there that looked particularly difficult to execute, even with average or slightly below average athletes (except maybe the one deep corner route and some of the other deep throws). With proper coaching, a lot of youth teams could duplicate this, or at least come close, I think. I would think it would take a total commitment to running spread, but you said these guys only ran spread as a supplement to DW? That's either really impressive, or the competition on this video was really poor - maybe a little of both?
In any event, I don't condone continuing to sling the ball down the field with a 30 or 40 point lead late in the second half.
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Post by brophy on Apr 23, 2008 4:02:46 GMT -6
and for what its worth.....THIS is the game they point to support mixing the two styles of play [gvid]2371870109110100909[/gvid]
full game of offensive possessions
and [url=http://0304.netclime.net/1_5/000/000/5f2/47c/08Cavs[1].pdf]THIS is the preliminary practice agenda[/url] sent to the current coaches to explain how we'll attempt to go about this.
We'll be working with the QB for 3 practices before camp even begins, then, hopefully an extra 15 minutes after each practice.
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Post by davecisar on Apr 23, 2008 6:08:58 GMT -6
Good stuff, well done.
What do you think the red teams strategy was for having their defensive linemen off the LOS by at least 1 yard most of the game? Not sure I get that.
Why do you think a lot of the time the red teams DL are in 2 point stances?
Was that just for you guys or is this how they play?
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Post by brophy on Apr 23, 2008 7:11:21 GMT -6
and [url=http://0304.netclime.net/1_5/000/000/5f2/47c/08Cavs[1].pdf]THIS is the preliminary practice agenda [/url] sent to the current coaches to explain how we'll attempt to go about this. We'll be working with the QB for 3 practices before camp even begins, then, hopefully an extra 15 minutes after each practice.[/quote] can't seem to edit my post....but the correct link is; 0304.netclime.net/1_5/000/000/5f2/5bd/08Cavs.pdf
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Post by coachtfry on Apr 23, 2008 16:18:13 GMT -6
Brophy, I agree in the K.I.S.S. method. It is easy to fall into the trap of wanting to do too much. I was guilty of trying to do too much last year. I am getting back to the basic core plays this year. I would rather do a few things well than do a lot of things poorly. Visit www.gregorydoublewing.com and check out Steve Popovich and Ted Seay's SST Formation package in the articles portion of the site. The SST is a direct snap supplement to the doublewing offense. It is a cross between the Double Wing, Single Wing and Shotgun. You can run all the core doublewing plays out of it and use the same blocking rules you use in the tight formation which allows you to use the tight formation also and still have passing threat. I have never used it but I like the concept and have been giving it some thought. Good luck with whatever you decide to run!
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Post by los on Apr 26, 2008 9:59:47 GMT -6
Good game there Brophy.....thats 2 hard hitting teams, "evenly matched"...."lots of emotion".....this was more like the "majority" of games we played here.....no big blowouts.....every game was relatively close.....fairly low scoring....most times, the difference in the score of the game, was in the extra point strategy ( go for 1=run or 2 = pass/kick) and "which side made their's" This game is a nice example of combining the two systems, by the way.
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Post by los on Apr 27, 2008 0:21:05 GMT -6
I'm crazy about that little shovel pass they run too.....excellent
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Post by casec11 on May 2, 2008 14:52:02 GMT -6
and [url=http://0304.netclime.net/1_5/000/000/5f2/47c/08Cavs[1].pdf]THIS is the preliminary practice agenda [/url] sent to the current coaches to explain how we'll attempt to go about this. We'll be working with the QB for 3 practices before camp even begins, then, hopefully an extra 15 minutes after each practice.[/quote] can't seem to edit my post....but the correct link is; 0304.netclime.net/1_5/000/000/5f2/5bd/08Cavs.pdf[/quote]I dont think the second link works either
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Post by brophy on May 2, 2008 15:13:04 GMT -6
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Post by catz1 on May 4, 2008 8:03:48 GMT -6
Hi Brophy. Can't get get this link to work (maybe I'm just being dense). I am really interested in what you have pulled together. Thinking about doing something similar with my crew. If you could email me the doc it would be great. My address is in my profile. Thanks for sharing your stuff with the rest of us.
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Post by casec11 on May 4, 2008 9:04:59 GMT -6
Hi Brophy. Can't get get this link to work (maybe I'm just being dense). I am really interested in what you have pulled together. Thinking about doing something similar with my crew. If you could email me the doc it would be great. My address is in my profile. Thanks for sharing your stuff with the rest of us. the link worked fine before but it is not working now... question.. I'm not familiar with the terms noose and stutter. it is in Day 1 for WR and RB : Catches/ Noose/ Stutter then for QB Day 2 it refers to settle & noose. Any clarification? Is it short for something that is flying over my head? Also... Brophy, are your positions pretty much set or are the kids still able to compete for different possitions then they played last year? -Case
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Post by morris on May 4, 2008 12:51:37 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on May 4, 2008 14:16:24 GMT -6
this is the website where the practice plan has been uploaded; sitekreator.com/calvary/clinic.htmlif you can't get there, then you probably won't be able to download anything, anyway. Settle & noose is just a basic form and focus drill used by everyone [gvid]-471414934203708525[/gvid] video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-471414934203708525Settle & Noose is on here, too, as well as the "stutter" footwork drill [gvid]-4489381258075191244[/gvid] video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4489381258075191244The more I think about "the plan" the more I am inclined to just run 3 DW plays and be done with it (being lazy) if we get a real bad group of coaches or kids. However, this is a best case scenario, or getting guys that will teach (2 guys I have now look like they can do it), and splitting up the talent in the program and not stacking one team (like last year). The plan is just to use mesh & shallow, because to me, that is a helluva lot simpler than trying to teach and run precision cuts or perimeter 2-man passes. Not saying we wouldn't go that route, but the easiest throws (and reads) can be delivered through the mesh & shallow. Now, even if we don't run mesh & shallow, I still believe in using the warm-up period as defined. Proper form running, throws, and catches need to be taught correctly and stressed - I don't think it is fair to the kids to spend 99% of our time on down blocks then try to jam throwing and catching down their throat for one (play-action) play. I've been using my son as a guinea pig, and if he can get it, I think any kid can. Stutter, ladder drills, settle & noose,....all of it, he has no problems whatsoever doing, so this ain't that complicated. Roster is supposed to be limited to 25, and if you figure all the coaches (3) have their sons playing, that leaves 22 other kids on the roster for intense instruction. Plan to use 2-3 quarterbacks, 6 backs (backs & rec), and 11-12 linemen (OL + TE)
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Post by casec11 on May 4, 2008 15:49:14 GMT -6
Brophy, Thanks for posting those
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Post by brophy on May 6, 2008 4:57:09 GMT -6
real basic examples of the basic drills - it doesn't take much to do these (just want to see how poorly the video quality is here)
10 year old doing the drills....
settle & noose - the ladder in the background was used as a landmark, we didn't bring the cans with us [gvid]1179573283428312293[/gvid]
pre practice catches, easy warmup playing round the clock (every angle of the body) [gvid]-3141567044501098672[/gvid]
pre practice 'dart' & 'push' [gvid]-5638146306302557865[/gvid]
Oline ladder, stuff to reinforce punching....this is the first time he has done this [gvid]-114982352672345773[/gvid] [gvid]2126424831576190083[/gvid]
I have some decent 3 step examples, but it gets cut off after 2 seconds.....
I hate the Geoff the Expert feel to all this....just trying to give examples
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Post by brophy on May 6, 2008 9:36:24 GMT -6
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Post by raiderpirates on May 6, 2008 23:36:05 GMT -6
Future Favre-ers of America. Great highlights.
When the kids are able to run plays as they are drawn, it is fun to see them buy into the system like that. Then they add to that by improvisation on key plays. Those two items paired usually magnify the good football experience. They take it to the next step from there, all of it starts with team concepts.
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Post by jhanawa on May 13, 2008 17:24:55 GMT -6
I saw linemen pulling for ctrey...qb reading for option away....lots of plastic popping....then I woke up, lol......maybe I was thinking about JH's offense...don't know...but I had more answers with this than I ever did running the dbl. tight, when things weren't going well? Some dream....lol Los, you got me lmao.... Really, I'd bet we are simplier than most systems, we just look "purty"...lol, but there certainly are answers built into our system just as in the DW or Wing T, of which, we are similiar to but from gun. I was telling TTH that we run the "UCT offense", under cover Tee.... Brophy, forget the cool-aid and drink an ice cold sprbeeread....lol Here are some clips of last years crop of 7/8th graders, next years batch might be better, we'll see [ftp]http://www.yuwie.com/videos/watch.asp?r=638794&id=22693[/ftp] [ftp]http://www.yuwie.com/videos/watch.asp?r=638794&id=22704[/ftp] [ftp]http://www.yuwie.com/videos/watch.asp?r=638794&id=22686[/ftp] don't know why these links don't work, you can go to yuwie.com and search videos under jhanawa and they all should come up, this team and last years frosh team that ran the same stuff.
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Post by casec11 on Jun 1, 2008 10:53:45 GMT -6
Brophy, I know you are a big proponent of the Darin Slacks stuff (and from the couple of tapes I have seen they are great) will you incorperate any of the R4 with this age group or do you think it is too advanced?
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Post by coachmac99 on Jun 2, 2008 7:44:24 GMT -6
Brophy, I know you are a big proponent of the Darin Slacks stuff (and from the couple of tapes I have seen they are great) will you incorperate any of the R4 with this age group or do you think it is too advanced? Case: I just purchased the 1st, 2nd and 7th DVD of the C4 system. Basically, throwing mechanics and drills. I have heard great things about them. Which do you have and will they help me teach proper mechanics? Steve
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Post by casec11 on Jun 2, 2008 8:20:08 GMT -6
Steve, I don't have any, but have seen 1-5 of the C4 and the whole R4 series, and yes they are the best videos I have seen, by far, and they will definetly help (I eventually would like to purchase the videos for myself, just worried the wife will kill me..lol). I am lucky, a player just signed up for our team who has been to Slacks camps and has all his videos ( I believe his father found out about the videos from this site also, as he frequents it often)
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Post by casec11 on Jun 2, 2008 10:33:55 GMT -6
Brophy, I know you are a big proponent of the Darin Slacks stuff (and from the couple of tapes I have seen they are great) will you incorporate any of the R4 with this age group or do you think it is too advanced? I Also don't mean for this question to be for just Brophy. To go in more depth on it. At upper youth, lets say 12-14, is there a place for the R4? I know pass protection and time to make decisions are limited as well as the ages of the players and their ability to process information is not as advanced as a 16 to18 yr old. It certainly would help communication, and even if you remove the read function and just use the Rhythm, Rush, release as Slack does for the quick passing game, it may help your QBs. ... Maybe this needs its own thread?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2008 16:45:04 GMT -6
Coach, I'm new to this forum, however I've been coaching for over 10.. As a head coach the worst season I've ever had was the one where I couldn't make up my mind between option , and double wing. In order to be successful, You really, have to settle on one thing, and make it what you do, or at least 2 that somewhat compliment each other (S/W-D/W) etc...That being said the spread with the dw looks good, job well done coach
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