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Post by s73 on Jan 3, 2016 10:14:54 GMT -6
I don't hate the spread, I dislike the fact it is becoming just about the only system of offense we see in the pros & collegiate football. There may only be 6 1000 yard rushers in the NFL this season (I know it's not much of a benchmark for a good runningback, but how many meh QBs will throw for 4,000 yards). The thing that astonishes me is when I was a kid growing up, the RB position was a glamour position right there (and in some cases above) the QB spot. I remember getting a magazine that had all the top RB's of the day in it (Walter, Marcus Allen, Eric Dickerson) now it seems like any back will do. That's how much the pro game has swung IMO. The RB position used to be a big pick in the draft, now it seems like you have your top 2-3 and the rest are an after thought. Not disparaging anything or anybody, just shocked how sweeping this has become across pro football is all. Those Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs type coaches don't seem to exist much anymore. JMO.
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Post by s73 on Jan 2, 2016 14:16:13 GMT -6
It was funny, after the Sugar Bowl last season somebody got on here and was talking about GT's success and how maybe now some major colleges might take a 2nd look at the flex bone if they wanted to get a program off the ground by maybe doing something different than what other schools are doing etc. Well, there was a BIG blowback by many of the spread guys on here (again, I know spread is a generic term and means many things). Anyhow, I had a big laugh. I had to chime in and say "Hey spread guys, can't we NON spread guys have ONE BOWL GAME ? LOL. It was actually pretty entertaining tbh. I remember that thread. I love love love the Flexbone. Ran it for a year at a high school under a guy who formally coached at Navy. I learned more under that coach in one year about the game in general than I have in all other seasons combined. I don't think it'll ever catch on at the college level again because the athletes are evolving. They're bigger and faster than ever, and recruits just don't want to run that kind of offense. I know there are ways to get them the ball in the Flexbone as well, I just think as a coach on the recruiting trail that it's a tougher sell. I agree with you on that point. My point in bringing it up was just that I found it interesting and genuinely humorous when that thread came out that it devolved from a couple of hopeful flex bone guys like myself wanting to see more of it on TV to some spread guys (again in the generic sense) getting all fired up b/c they didn't understand the intention of the OP. The OP as I recall, was not implying that the flex was superior in anyway to anything else, just that it might be advantageous to run something unfamiliar at a new school b/c the unfamiliarity of the system, NOT the superiority of it might be an advantage v. their opponents. As I recall, my response to the thread was something akin to "Hey, spread guys, lighten up. Us non spread guys have to listen to the "inferior system everyday" and you guys get watch your stuff 3x a day every Saturday, can't you just throw us a bone here? Can't we dream? LOL. In reality though, I agree the flex is not "sexy" enough for the casual fan who would rather see the ball airborne rather than the intricacy of the flex. I just remember that thread cracking me up.
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Post by s73 on Jan 2, 2016 11:59:00 GMT -6
I agree, but I think for expediency purposes it's easier to say "I'm sick of the spread" v. I'm sick of the quick pass, bubble, duck n' chuck my guys faster than your guy stuff. But I do agree that the spread has evolved and I really "liked" the option stuff that has been evolved from it, but again, it seems almost everyone now runs zone read, power read, etc. Just kind of nice to see a true downhill in your face running scheme once in a while. Or a GT in the Sugar Bowl last season run for 550 yards with old school triple and the wing t down. It was an interesting change of pace for me personally. The answer to everything is gun, 2x2, 3x1 and throw. Most predictable game on the planet. And worse its one read and take off and run. It was funny, after the Sugar Bowl last season somebody got on here and was talking about GT's success and how maybe now some major colleges might take a 2nd look at the flex bone if they wanted to get a program off the ground by maybe doing something different than what other schools are doing etc. Well, there was a BIG blowback by many of the spread guys on here (again, I know spread is a generic term and means many things). Anyhow, I had a big laugh. I had to chime in and say "Hey spread guys, can't we NON spread guys have ONE BOWL GAME ? LOL. It was actually pretty entertaining tbh.
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Post by s73 on Jan 2, 2016 10:21:25 GMT -6
Spread is just a formation. I still think there is enough variation in it to make it worth watching. With that said, even though we run a spread offense I would rather watch some of the power football teams. I'm a Michigan State slappy but love some of the stuff Harbaugh is doing with a loaded backfield or multiple TEs. I agree, but I think for expediency purposes it's easier to say "I'm sick of the spread" v. I'm sick of the quick pass, bubble, duck n' chuck my guys faster than your guy stuff. But I do agree that the spread has evolved and I really "liked" the option stuff that has been evolved from it, but again, it seems almost everyone now runs zone read, power read, etc. Just kind of nice to see a true downhill in your face running scheme once in a while. Or a GT in the Sugar Bowl last season run for 550 yards with old school triple and the wing t down. It was an interesting change of pace for me personally.
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Post by s73 on Jan 2, 2016 9:55:24 GMT -6
That'a a relief to hear from so many. I thought I was the only one to feel that way about the spread. Really tired of watching it. I have felt that way for YEARS. I really like watching teams run the ball. Used to be a big ND fan and then they fired Lou Holtz and I lost interest. Was also a BIG Nebraska fan and after Osbourne, they fired Solich and I lost interest as well (btw, they've never been the same since they went away from the "Osbourne tree").
Now about all I have left is the academies & GT. Not really interested in much else. CFB has kind of turn into the cookie cutter/ copy cat NFL where everybody runs the same stuff. That's why I thought the 49ers and the option was so fascinating back in 2012, but alas it didn't last.
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Post by s73 on Dec 21, 2015 7:03:54 GMT -6
One thing I know for sure is the virtual parents will be smarter than the virtual coaches.
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Post by s73 on Dec 21, 2015 6:47:54 GMT -6
I think it may well be different in different states. Football may still look SOMEWHAT like it does today in "hard core" states (maybe Texas, Alabama, etc) but in SOME states I believe it will disappear at least like it is in it's current form.
Mostly, I believe it will decrease greatly in many areas from the high school setting due to insurance costs that I think will sky rocket. IMO, it won't be guys like us making those decisions, it will be admin types or think more about $ and public concerns than what the upside brings to the youth and culture of the day.
I also believe technology may bring other types of interests (sporting and otherwise) out of the woodwork.
I'm not one of those guys who believes "kids have changed these days". Kids are asked to do more in the off season than I ever was and many of them comply. With that said, if technology increases to such a point that public interest wains to some type of competition that is more tech related that allows kids to reach glory without a lot of physical demands of time and energy, then I could see some form of "techno sport" taking over.
I know that sounds kind of futuristic and weird but I have heard that the more we learn about technology the faster it increases so I can't even imagine what things will be like 50 years from now. Pretty sure most kids won't even ATTEND a school anymore. I see the internet taking over there. Some schools in our area already have educational programming that allows them to show up to school and plug into a computer without attending classes for several hours a day. No teacher, just an online program they follow.
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Post by s73 on Dec 15, 2015 7:47:28 GMT -6
IMO, running a weight program better than others is the #1 thing you can do to compete.
We are a school that is half the size of most of our opponents (due to housing crisis our enrollment never grew to expectations when we joined our current conference) and we have competed for a play off berth 4 times and a division title 3 times in the last 6 seasons. We won the division once and made the play offs twice.
Yes, I know we didn't make it to the play offs the other 4 times and that's probably nothing to brag about but our other sports have been slaughtered in this conference while we have remained relevant and competitive.
I think when you are an underdog, you have to do the weight program better than your opponents. Their in no real way of knowing whether you are doing that or not, but I know that if you treat the weight room like practice where you are actively involved day to day COACHING the kids through their lifts to the point you leave the weight room tired and you haven't even lifted a single thing, then IMO you are probably doing more than most. When I was in HS (27 years ago now) our coaches used to read the paper while we bumbled around the weight room and we were not a great program.
The other thing I have learned, and I know this may be controversial to say and some will disagree with it, but I have learned that not EVERY single kid has to buy int the weight room for you to be successful. IMO, if you can get a core of solid players to buy in and work their butts off you will be in good shape. I have made the mistake for many years HOUNDING dudes that don't want to lift and in the long run have probably run off as many as I have tried to "help". Some guys are just not those guys. But in this sport, again IMO, you need numbers. Again I know this is controversial, but I have begun in the past few years to ficus on the guys that are willing and laying off the guys that aren't. Some of them come around and some don't but I would rather expend energy on the willing and praise them rather than shame the lazy kids. They will suffer their own consequences for not doing the hard things. Find a core and get after WITH them. That is my advice, good, bad or otherwise.
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Post by s73 on Dec 13, 2015 8:41:26 GMT -6
How about Army's double pass with 2 minutes to go as they were driving? I don't usually like to question those who know light years more than me, but I thought that that call was terrible. Army was moving the ball, and trying to force it there was really questionable. IMO, the "streak" probably played a role in the play call. I'm sure in the back of their minds they are thinking the more plays they run the more chance they screw something up so why not just go for it. JMO.
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Post by s73 on Dec 3, 2015 6:35:46 GMT -6
This next season will be the first season where I am putting together a list of responsibilities b/c I had a a couple of assistants that were skirting their in season responsibilities.
The primary problem was under level coaches leaving practice after they were done and not supervising the locker room while the F/S team was still showering. Coaches not preparing ball bag the night before and then scrambling to get stuff ready while the bus was waiting. Little things like that. Some of it was laziness, some of it was over sight.
Our list will include things like: 1 level coach responsible for ball bag night before Coach rotations for locker room supervision Coaches responsible for practice stations before & after practice Coaches required to do hull film comments on their positions BEFORE the following Monday Charging Head Phones Having cameras ready, etc.
Just stuff like that. Our staff is pretty good but need to clean up the minor things that become MAJOR when they add up. That is my main concerns. The guys love the fun stuff and hate the small stuff.
As for off season I think you have to gauge general availability and make common sense decisions. IMO, every staff has hungry guys that want to do stuff and other guys not so much. Again, IMO you can lean on the hungry more so long as you recognize them when the time comes for promotion, evaluation , etc.
JMO of course.
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Post by s73 on Nov 26, 2015 8:38:04 GMT -6
2005, It's my 3rd year as a HFC. I'm at a school that hadn't been to play offs in 15 years and only once in 40 years. No play off win in school history (I sure know how to pick 'em).
Anyway, we are 1-0 going into week 2 pulling off a big upset. Week 2 half time we are up 38-19 at half (defensive struggle, both defenses are struggling:).
2nd half, we turn the ball over 4 series in a row. Next thing I know we got 4 minutes left and we are DOWN 38-46. Against all odds we pull it together and drive the field & score with 25 seconds left. Go for 2 and get it to tie it up at 46. We kick off, stuff them. Get them to 3rd and long with about 10 seconds left deep in their own territory. They throw a drag route I have 2 guys converging to make the tackle & send the game to over time. Both players collide with each other & take each other out. Kid takes it to the house with time expired and we lose.
Missed the play offs by one game that year.
On a high note, we made the play offs for the 1st time the following year and won (still) the only play off game in school history. But 2005 was brutal.
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Post by s73 on Nov 25, 2015 12:52:31 GMT -6
At the risk of codifying into absolutes, I find the NFL is so hard-wired to situational football. Offenses don't operate as a base and variations, but 1st down plays, 3rd and long plays, and short-yardage plays. IMO, THAT'S why the NFL seems boring. Consequently, that's how defenses are built in the NFL. You're either in 21 or sub personnel and coverages are played off of splits based on D&D and field position. None of this stuff is (usually) congruent with what they do on any other down. Most NFL offenses are geared at just the individual matchups and not the working concepts/series that it would be difficult to glean much out of it for HS. I believe a large part of it has to do with the decisions being made on a down-by-down basis on behalf of a mega-million dollar franchise and not a football program. Winning games is profitable for a franchise and program, but making stupid decisions that are dissected for 96 hours non-stop after the game, snowballing into market fluctuations/valuations the next week can seriously influence whether or not a coordinator is willing to roll the dice to convert a down. Either that, or there is so much analysis done through the week that the calls become paralyzed into doing the most predictable response. You have successfully put into words what I feel about the NFL but couldn't do myself. Is truly predictable IMO. I personally feel the Pats generally show the most imagination. With that said, in season, especially after a long film session, I cannot stomach to watch any form of FB at all. Just get tired of seeing it period. After the season, NFL would be my last choice after college and HS.
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Post by s73 on Nov 23, 2015 15:17:23 GMT -6
Any insight as to why coach? Little kids are too small, slow, and weak to hurt each other. I understand that. but he mentioned 11 year olds in his previous post having no injuries and now they do along with 12 year olds. I was just curious why the spike in that age group.
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Post by s73 on Nov 23, 2015 12:58:49 GMT -6
I will add this as well about safety/injuries - in my 10 years coaching kids from 7 to 11, we saw far fewer injuries from football than our kids had outside of football. This year, with 11's and older lighter 12's, we had more injuries than in our other 10 years combined. Any insight as to why coach?
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Post by s73 on Nov 23, 2015 7:41:30 GMT -6
I'm in the same boat. My son is 11 (5th grade) and has been bugging me for 2 years. He and his brother did flag (brother has no interest which is fine).
I think I'm going to let him play next year but not 100% sure. My fear has always been that if I start him too early and he gets hurt he will not want to come back. So I would rather wait.
On a side note, have a few youth parents that have given me some heat (behind my back of course) bc as the HFC my kids don't play. I find that interesting/ annoying. Has anyone else experienced this? For me personally, nobody but me will decide when my kids play so it has gained no traction in my decision making. Just bc I like football doesn't mean my kids have to. They are very active with basketball and love it.
Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this.
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Post by s73 on Nov 21, 2015 22:20:12 GMT -6
I'd play him. In our state 17 is the age of consent. Pretty sure their are thousands of kids in this country who are 17 and have 16 year old girl friends and they "do what they do". Legally no different then 17-14. To me it's just nothing I would get involved in. Otherwise, when does it stop? JMO. I understand your POV here, but I just can't agree with it. I don't think it is the place of hs football coaches to say "well, this is kind of an arbitrary law (which is 100% true) " s73 Just out of curiosity, what was written in the articles (I have read them too) that made you decide they were slobs and change your mind? The fact that it sounds like they both tried to have sex w/ the girl at the same time and it sounds like they tried to do it in a public place at a pep rally. Hate to be crass, but sounds like a bit of a "gang bang" to me. I assumed it was a boyfriend / girlfriend relational thing. Circumstances sound a little more crass w/ possible peer pressure to me when you have 2 older boys possibly pressuring a younger girl. That's my interpretation of the article anyway. Disgusts me personally.
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Post by s73 on Nov 21, 2015 21:17:14 GMT -6
Actually, just read the article. These 2 are slobs. Could see going the other way on this.
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Post by s73 on Nov 21, 2015 21:10:13 GMT -6
If two of your top players.. 1 of which is a top recruit in the country get arrested for having consensual sex with a 14 year old... and you know it happened... not accused... but they admitted to it.. Do you let them play? Several coaching buddies in the area last night have been conversing with me on the topic... some said they would let them play.. some say no... In this case.. they played last night.. www.ksla.com/story/30571879/top-hs-football-recruit-1-of-2-n-webster-players-arrested-on-sex-chargeI'd play him. In our state 17 is the age of consent. Pretty sure their are thousands of kids in this country who are 17 and have 16 year old girl friends and they "do what they do". Legally no different then 17-14. To me it's just nothing I would get involved in. Otherwise, when does it stop? JMO.
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Post by s73 on Nov 20, 2015 22:01:08 GMT -6
I just got about 10 emails telling me how much I suck. I guess its good the fan base is engaged. how do you handle it. this is my favorite You are an embarrassment mostly because you are a stupid idiot. The only thing I look forward to in this season is you getting fired. You have taken a team that has so much talent and reduced it to nothing. Honestly, Football for dummies was written for you. You are a {censored} idiot quit coaching and take up something like checkers where you can only hurt yourself. When you get fired, Mc donalds won't hire you because you will be to stupid to do that. Maybe you can explain why your so stupid to a rock. P.S. you are ******** bitch Coach one of the greatest pieces of advice I ever received was from a local legend in our area. I naively assumed that he never got any type of flack b/c he had been so successful and he went on to tell me multiple stories about some garbage he received the week he was playing for a STATE TITLE!!! So I said did that drive you crazy? I mean here you are reaching the pinnacle of your profession and people are still pissed at you? And he went on to give me this priceless piece of advice that I will never forget. He said, "When you walk down the street & you see a piece of dog$hit laying on the sidewalk, would you stop to look at it? "Would you waste any time thinking about it?" "Would you stop & talk to it?" I said "No". He says, "Then why would you talk to a parent?"
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Post by s73 on Aug 18, 2015 12:47:18 GMT -6
I have a rural team with some street level problems. Very small school and not a lot of bright spots in terms of the economy. I have a kid who works on Monday and Wednesday and obviously misses practice. He is a good kid and without a doubt he NEEDS to work as both parents are incarcerated and he is living with grandma trying to stay on the right path. He was charted to start at SS for us, but I just do not see how that can happen now.. even though we only have 25 players or so.. the other two kids getting the reps there do not start on offense. Its a tough situation.. but really do not know how to handle it. Any insight? In my mind you have to do your "due diligence" to find out how legit the situation really is. In other words, I would talk with grandma and make sure everything he is telling you is completely accurate. If it is, then IMO the next step is to see what he can do work wise to alleviate the issues. I think the proof will be in the pudding. If he REALLY wants to play football, in my experience, most employers will work with him. If he actually takes the time to try and work it out with his employer, then I think the two of you try to find a middle ground you can accept. Maybe he leaves a tad early as excused or something along those lines. But I personally would exhaust all avenues first AND.....make sure he is doing the same before I made a decision. Then I think you make the call you are most comfortable with. After all, you truly know your situation better than the rest of us. As always, JMO.
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Post by s73 on Aug 17, 2015 12:25:02 GMT -6
Anyone ever had a player get a DUI during season? If so, how did you handle it or how would you if it happened on your team? Your district should have a policy in black and white for such matters. If they do not shame on them. Experience has taught me that if they aren't willing to take a stand against it to begin with they probably aren't willing to support you if you do. So I PERSONALLY would not be willing to "extend my neck" for the chopping block. Report it to the AD and walk away. They get paid a lot more than us, let them earn their money. As always, JMO.
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Post by s73 on Aug 11, 2015 6:38:41 GMT -6
LORD, I pray for this season I am about to enter. I pray that my passion for the game stays in the shadows of your love. I pray that wins don't bring more joy and that losses don't bring more sorrows but that you fuel the passion and energy I bring to every meeting, practice and game...no matter the score! Remind me that my passion will effect the players and coaches I am working with...and that I am not coaching schemes but I'm bringing the kingdom into their lives...let that be the ultimate goal and let that drive my passion...let me focus on eternity and not on trophies that will be forgotten about. Let me trust you in all circumstances from players to coaches...and remind me that there are lessons you want these men to learn even if it does not go along with my game plan. Most importantly let me be balanced and let me keep important my first ministry that you called to me. Help me to love my wife more than this game. Help me to love my children more than I love my players. Thank you for letting me be a part of something bigger than myself and let all the glory point to you Beautiful. Love it!
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Post by s73 on Aug 8, 2015 10:46:39 GMT -6
I agree that that would be a good test, but all things equal as you suggest I would still give the advantaqe to the college guys. By and large they have worked their way through those high school situations. They also are working 50+ hours a week on football, all year round. They don't turn into wrestling coaches in the winter or teach five classes of algebra II in the morning. Coaches value reps in practice, I think most of those guys have seen plenty of reps in games, practices, clinics etc. I don't think the level would even be close in terms of numbers (HS staff vs College staff). I kind of disagree with this. I did not read all posts so I apologize if this was already said. But, I truly believe that college and NFL guys for that matter, are rarely presented with the diversity of scheme that we at the high school level are. I mean you can here arteries tightening every time a college staff has to play GT or an academy school b/c it's so out of the norm of what they generally see. On the other hand, in our 1st 4 weeks this year, we will see an I form, a pistol 2 back, a DW and a flex bone team. That's rare diversity at the next levels. I think the other thing to take into account (if we are truly making it an even playing field between staffs) is that college staffs are paid to coach as their primary profession. So Urban can tell his guys we have 8 hours of work AFTER practice. He won't get away with that with a guy making a measly stipend. They will not get the attention to detail at the high school level that they were getting at the next level. You will not get a high school staff to keep the same hours for a few bucks a year. Many of us can barely keep the guys we have on a high school schedule. As always, JMO.
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Post by s73 on Jul 27, 2015 14:00:09 GMT -6
My own personal worst offense is when somebody screws up I catch myself always saying "I'm just tellin' ya'" & then I proceed to tell them.
Not sure why I do it but I find myself irritating myself. By season's end probably waste about 10 minutes telling some body that I'm going to tell them something before I tell them something.
If that makes any sense at all.
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Post by s73 on Jul 25, 2015 16:47:09 GMT -6
We have summer camp here and I usually schedule 17 practices for varsity and 12 for the frosh/soph. So in essence we are together at all levels through June and July, and the varsity continue on for 1 week after the under levels finish.
We warm up together, do some fundamental drills together, I always bring everyone together at the end to make any announcements concerning upcoming critical dates, etc.
Well, season starts and things are going pretty well, we had 2 games already and our 3rd game was homecoming. We had a pep rally in the gym, etc.
After the rally I see this freshman kid I had noticed before, and I make small talk with him. I say something like "I feel pretty good about tonight, I think we can get them". He says "Yeah, I think so....... You going to the game?"
STUNNED. I say "Um, I'm the HC". He says "You are?" I say, "Mike, I've been at every practice warming you guys up, giving you announcements, running drills since June". He says, "I guess I never noticed you before".
Not sure if it's his intelligence or my personality that are the concern here LOL.
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Post by s73 on Jul 19, 2015 6:05:48 GMT -6
If you're tired and feel like it's been too much then I can make a 150% guarantee that the kids also are and even more so. ^^^For me it's this! Worked for a guy many years ago who used every available summer day we had. We would go up until a week or so before the season started. After a few years of doing this I remember coming out for the first day of the season & I was not excited at all. I felt like my whole summer was football. Well.....I wasn't the only one. The team was as FLAT as a pancake. On the FIRST DAY of the season! That should NEVER happen IMO. As an assistant I thought this will be my measuring stick as a HC. I want kids EXCITED on day one, so I have tried to plan my summer to hopefully best achieve this. The biggest thing FOR ME is to finish early so the kids & myself can recharge. This has been pretty good for us. We finished yesterday w/ a 7 on 7 tournament. We have about 3 weeks off. JMO. PS - As for lineman having fun like spoken above, every once "in a blue moon" we will end their group time a few minutes early and let them play the scout offense in 7 on 7. The scary thing is, some starting lineman can give a better look then some of our back up skill kids. Keeps the "Bigs" happy. Also brings some energy to the skills guys. They DO NOT want some "fatty" catching a ball on them and the lineman won't let them forget it if they do. Ratchets up the energy level quite a bit.
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Post by s73 on Jul 2, 2015 22:43:19 GMT -6
I believe that how the coaching staff handles itself in adverse situations has a lot to do w/ how kids react in adverse circumstances.
If you are thinking about what happened 4 plays ago, so are they IMO. If on the other hand, you take a "so what, let's move on" attitude, so will they.
I know in my career keeping my cool in tough situations usually leads to a calmer sideline. I've even gone so far as to call a timeout to "talk everybody down" and let them know "we're okay let's focus on the most important play, the NEXT one".
I believe that if I unravel so will they.
I'm reminded of Montana and more recently Tom Brady. Those guys are unflappable leaders and often times so are/were their teams.
JMO.
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Post by s73 on Jun 19, 2015 6:15:36 GMT -6
Ok. I didn't know that. What I was really thinking about was a guy just starting as a HC now could never get there. Sorry for the misinformative post! I do agree it is highly unlikely, especially in the current landscape of sports Coach D5085, you took the words right out of my mouth. There is a coach in our neck of the woods who is now nearing his 80's. He's a HOF-er and just a great all around man. Has many a win to his credentials. He told me once that had he been coaching in the current era he may not have ever "been allowed" to enjoy some of his later successes. Early in his career, like many of us, he had some real struggles. He's not sure in this day and age he would've been allowed to continue on and work things out and eventually find his identity as a HFC. He said that fortunately, when he first started in the early 60's, b/c he treated kids well and as a result, had solid numbers in his program, that most parents viewed him as a good coach and that his record was "secondary" in his evaluation. That's his opinion of his original era anyway. Times have changed IMO. I do think legends like Coach McKissick are certainly still possible, but a lot more "precarious a road" than maybe in the past. JMO.
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Post by s73 on May 31, 2015 7:25:09 GMT -6
I'm the HC.
With that said, I don't care who talks so long as they actually have something to say.
I don't want anybody talking just to talk or b/c your "supposed to". I think the less you talk the more meaningful your words are when you speak.
JMO.
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Post by s73 on May 19, 2015 9:06:42 GMT -6
When I was much younger I took the "do this or else approach". As I've gotten older and I see the bigger picture not just in FB but in the entire HS athletics scene.
If other coaches of other sports always took that same approach, we'd have very few if any multi sport athletes. IMO if a kid is interested in doing another sport that conflicts with some of my off season plans I have made a much greater attempt to find a compromise. For example, I have a kid who plays AAU basketball but we lift 4 days a week in the Spring. Initially he said he couldn't make it.
I sat him down and through a positive conversation we agreed he would make it twice a week. This kid is a great kid & I would have hated to lose him. I'm glad we could work it out.
As it turned out, he ended up coming up more than twice a week b/c he saw the benefits of lifting for all athletics and our relationship has grown stronger as a result.
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