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Post by silkyice on Aug 20, 2018 7:42:03 GMT -6
Anybody ever go to an NFL game or NCAA and see them running through 15 of their top plays right in front of their competitor? Yea, neither have I. Haven't they already run/walked through those plays earlier in the day in their "walkthrough"?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 18, 2018 13:48:17 GMT -6
There is a coach in our county (third year) who keeps kids at school 8 AM-9 PM during Pre-Season. Practices, films, meetings, lift, feeds them lunch and dinner. He came from one of winningest programs in our state so no doubt that's where he learned it. His record so far is 7-11. Frankly if that's what it takes to coach (or play) HS Football I'd have done something else. During our pre-season our kids are done at noon. They get to really eat, really hydrate, rest, and heck, still have a life.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 18, 2018 11:07:45 GMT -6
Or have doubles but don't keep them at the facility between practices. Yes, but coach, for some (particularly more rural areas) some kids might have a 30-45 minute one way commute. Those kids stay then.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 16, 2018 7:35:57 GMT -6
IMO you play the way you practice. I don't want us to go THUD during a game, so we don't practice thudding. If we hit you too hard...get off the field. So you are live 100% of the time?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 14, 2018 12:40:28 GMT -6
Private school near Centennial? Norte Dame or Ontario Christian? Neither, we're about 75 miles away... which makes this lunatic moving there even more hilarious. The latest is that the 6'4", 290 tackle that runs a 4.8 40 - 1st team all league last year that quit because he couldn't be a defensive back has decided that he now wants to play. Our first game is this Friday, he hasn't done a single thing all summer. The HC has decided to let the kid onto the team. The offensive coordinator is losing his mind, he thinks the kid is a cancer.
Y’all sound dysfunctional and your kids sound delusional. Did I read that right? 290 pounds and thinks he is a db?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 13, 2018 11:27:53 GMT -6
Just Texted our QB saying he wants to come out for football. Our Scrimmage is Tomorrow. The kid quit after his freshman year. Multiple D1 offers in other sports. 6'4", 210lb, 4.6, 30+ vertical. He would like to only play Wide Receiver. We're 12/21 personnel and the other Wide-out is a 6'5 4.9 guy. At a school of 195. I went in to this season thinking we would get to level 3 in the playoffs. This addition could be the difference in getting to level 4 or state. Anybody handled a situation like this before? We're going to have a discussion about expectations and playing time. This would cut into a lot of guys time that worked hard all off season and have stuck with our program. Why bring a question like this to a public forum? You are the HFC at your school...you know both your school's, and your community's values, and only you really knows ALL of the details surrounding the situation involving this kid. Regardless of what you decide to do in this situation...you best be discussing this with your Administration asap. They are the ones that you are going to need to have your back when the stuff hits the fan!! This is true, but he is just looking for advice which is the reason for this forum. Some might have had a similar situation and can give some wisdom based on experience.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 13, 2018 7:52:20 GMT -6
IMO we haven't had kids try to show up late to avoid anything. (Maybe I'm wrong on this but that's my belief) We aren't known as a "run em til they puke" staff anyway. I believe that this kid wants to come out because he wants to play football but maybe he felt bad about quitting and didn't know how to approach this situation. I think some that suggested our players were pushing him to join may have been correct. We had a productive talk where expectations were laid out and we will see tomorrow morning if this is actually happening. For a background on our program. 5 playoff appearances in 40 something years, but 4 of those in the last decade, so trending up. Hope it all works out! Good luck to you guys.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 12, 2018 22:03:00 GMT -6
Here’s the crappiest part about it all: Maryland will hire a new coach, likely a respected name. They’ll use this as a “us against the world” or “we’re squeaky clean now” war cry. It will attract more big name recruits than they normally get. And they’ll be as good as ever three years later. If you don’t believe me, look at how much Penn State, USC and other major programs have been “effected” by the NCAA slap on the wrist for this sort of thing. Ummm. USC and Penn State are in whole nother world than Maryland. When have they ever been good besides 65 years ago?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 12, 2018 21:59:52 GMT -6
Yeah, I got you and I agree with you completely. Silver lining - we have a tight end that is 5'8", 200 lbs that doesn't fit the mold at all but is unbelievable. He was all league last year as a junior. He emailed the coaching staff last night and said, "Coaches, you can move me to guard if you want. I don't really want to play line but if it will help us win I will do it and I won't be mad or cause a problem." This kid is going to be a winner in life. The HC called the kid's dad to talk to him about it and the dad said, "My son is built like a fire hydrant, he has no chance to play college ball. Now is his shot to win, use him however you want." That is awesome!
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Post by silkyice on Aug 12, 2018 17:52:26 GMT -6
AS ALWAYS, There is more to the story. Thanks for filling us in. The school population is 74% Hispanic. Also, as Jerry said, they're a smaller school in an area loaded with state powers. And the football players transferred out. So this has nothing to do with concussions, cte, fortnite, girls, wussification of America, Trump, Obama, Stormy, or coaching. It just is what it is.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 12, 2018 17:25:28 GMT -6
I coach in the county that this team is from and used to play them on a yearly basis. In the past 10 years the demographics of that school have changed dramatically. about 50 different languages are now spoken at the school with many immigrants arriving each year. that along with the fact that kids transfer out of that school to play football elsewhere in the county about did them in. i don't think it has anything to do w concussions..more of a cultural thing..FWIW, they are pretty good in soccer. LOL AS ALWAYS, There was more to the story. Thanks for filling us in.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 12, 2018 14:20:32 GMT -6
So is where I think the logic is faulty. You are going to make a kid do a max effort sprint on Monday and Wednesday to see if he is too worn out. But yet should only be doing so many max efforts in a week. And then he has to play on Friday. Why in the world would you do max efforts during the week if you think you can only do so many in a week? And to test if they are too tired of all things. Let’s tire them out more and fry the CNS more to see if they can handle Friday night?? And what if they don’t pass? Does that mean they can’t practice or play? If it is can’t practice, you don’t think they will figure that out and run a crappy 40? Just don’t get it. The flippant answer is: It works for us... We value speed above all things. The timed 40 serves multiple purposes for us. The first being an exercise that makes us faster. That 40 trend gives us an indicator. One of many that helps us decide how he will practice on Monday/Wednesday. M/W is a max effort day for us. Those are full contact days/max speed/lift. And if they fail it depends. What is a fail? A fail would be viewed differently depending on the kid. Again the 40/Fly 10 is just one thing we are looking at. Can't really explain it any better than that. You don't have to or need to get it. Do what you do. That is a good post. Do you not worry though, that is “too much” during the season? Not being a butt, real question. Is your position that you feel doing this keeps your team faster or makes them faster throughout the season? Now that, I can buy. Just let’s make them do a max effort so we can test whether or not they are tired becaue the CNS can only do so many max efforts, is what doesn’t make sense to me. I have often wondered about whether we should still do a max 40 or 20 or something during the season to make sure we stay at top speed.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 12, 2018 13:56:17 GMT -6
What does that mean? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) You make some posts that I cannot decipher. At all. And then a few threads over, you make some great posts. Do you get hacked? Split personality? Troll? Your football posts are usually good. Your commentary posts are trollish or not clear nor logical. I can ask same questions of you. True. But you would be the only one on this whole board. People might disagree with what I am saying, but I don’t think I am confusing them.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 12, 2018 12:14:15 GMT -6
Your central nervous system can only handle so many max efforts in a week. Some say three, some say less. We use the 40/10 fly trend as a way to help us determine if a guy is too worn out to go full. So is where I think the logic is faulty. You are going to make a kid do a max effort sprint on Monday and Wednesday to see if he is too worn out. But yet should only be doing so many max efforts in a week. And then he has to play on Friday. Why in the world would you do max efforts during the week if you think you can only do so many in a week? And to test if they are too tired of all things. Let’s tire them out more and fry the CNS more to see if they can handle Friday night?? And what if they don’t pass? Does that mean they can’t practice or play? If it is can’t practice, you don’t think they will figure that out and run a crappy 40? Just don’t get it.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 12, 2018 11:54:22 GMT -6
I am sure that is somehow funny. What is scary is There is some truth in comedy. And we think safety is what is driving down participation!!! What does that mean? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) You make some posts that I cannot decipher. At all. And then a few threads over, you make some great posts. Do you get hacked? Split personality? Troll? Your football posts are usually good. Your commentary posts are trollish or not clear nor logical.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 11, 2018 23:49:02 GMT -6
And it is counterproductive also. Just how does that make you a better player, teammate, person?
How does running all those 110's help make you a better football player in June? It will cut into speed, strength, and power gains. There is so much wrong. Even if they were trying to get someone to lose fat/weight, there are far better ways.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 9, 2018 20:07:11 GMT -6
So your starting 11 shouldn’t work out or condition? Isnt the point for each player to be their best? You aren’t just trying to start or be the best at your school, you are trying to beat other schools, and, if you want to play college, you are in competition with every player in the country. How is making the kid do bear crawls after practice or whatever going to make him a better athlete? That ship has sailed. He missed the summer. There is no "make up" for that. That's two months of work. When's the first game? A week or two? if this kid is as good as wiscoach says he is, then the coaching staff and the players should get down on their knees, shout a collective "Hallelujah" and give thanks to the football gods for such a generous gift. All your points here are correct. Every one of them. But, I am coaching for the next year also. If a player knows he can miss everything and just show up with no penalty, you will doom your program. Make decisions based on the program, the current season, the upcoming game. In that order. And I am not saying the kid shouldn't be on the team. There is a way to get all of it.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 9, 2018 20:04:44 GMT -6
It is definitely a slippery slope, because as silkyice mentions, there is a real danger to the program when the measuring stick is being the best player at your position. It can quickly bring down a program. Sure, professional coaches can see a difference in these situations, but not all 14/15 year olds can. I have to tell you wiscoach while obviously it is tantalizing, I think some serious downsides to having him join exist. What other measuring stick is there other than being the best player at each position? If that is the case, then every team in America has 22 or at least 11 players on their team that are at the top of the measuring stick.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 9, 2018 19:19:35 GMT -6
Why should a kid have to make up all the weights and conditioning if he is already the best player at the position, assuming that he is? So your starting 11 shouldn’t work out or condition? Isnt the point for each player to be their best? You aren’t just trying to start or be the best at your school, you are trying to beat other schools, and, if you want to play college, you are in competition with every player in the country.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 9, 2018 19:09:52 GMT -6
Suspend him the first game.
He has to do a 100 bear crawl everyday after practice for the number of days missed. He missed 10 days, he owes 10 beat crawls. Or whatever, just saying have some make up.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 8, 2018 9:53:39 GMT -6
Is don't lie when asked a question really a coaching advice or tactic though? I mean, I kinda thought that was common sense/morality. Is this where we are that we need to remind people not to lie? Of course don't lie. The point of the thread, is that you don't have to answer. Just say no comment. You don't have to answer everything someone asks.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 5, 2018 18:04:04 GMT -6
I wasn’t trying to be a jerk. I was actually asking, not being a smart tail. Was taking your advice and ordering for us to kick in games and trying to get the right football you recommended.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 5, 2018 14:51:54 GMT -6
I buy a few composites each year We get the Rubber Wilson GST balls because the Leather GST is our game ball. RBs will use them, centers will snap them Lower levels practice with them (and they get 2 leather balls for games) our QBs never throw them because they flip out about the grip being different so we use it for everything else. They are literally 1/2 the price of a leather one and sometimes you can get them even cheaper The BEST thing to use them for though? Kick Offs I have found, that if you inflate the crap out of them, they become really hard and bouncy... We use bring a rubber one out for kick off, and use leather for offense (Refs let you bring a different ball out you just cant switch balls mid possession. We had our kicker do a bunch of kick offs with each kind of ball Averaged 10 yards more per kick off with the rubber one Is it rubber or composite?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 4, 2018 20:00:53 GMT -6
Why couldn’t you throw or run outside? Those were the rules that were set for the period. But yet 11 vs 11? Yeah, that makes sense. So you have 6 gaps to run, and they have 11 guys to defend that. No wonder you hated that drill.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 4, 2018 17:34:55 GMT -6
About 15 years ago, I was an OC. We used to do a goal-line period from the 5-yard line. We would do 3 series. If offense scored twice, defense did pushups. If defense stopped offense twice, offense did push-ups. We (offense) got really good at doing push-ups that year. That's because we could not call any pass plays or run the ball outside. And, of course, the defense knew it. So, we would call the play, break the huddle, and look at 11 dudes within 3 yards of the ball just frothing at the mouth. They would just tee off on us and then would whoop and holler like they just won the lottery. DC would be standing in the back of the endzone talking sh1t about how his defense was kicking the offense's butt. After the first time, I complained vociferously to the HC about how unrealistic the drill was. HC didn't want to hear it. He basically said something to the effect of, "They have 11 guys just like you. If your guys block the play right, it doesn't matter what the defense is doing." So, I was like, "whatever". So, whenever we did that drill the rest of the year, I would tell the offense, "Ok guys...let's get this over with. We are going to run FB dive 12 times in a row. After you get the handoff, just get to the ground as fast as you can and protect yourself". We did manage to get the defense to jump offsides several times. And of course, when we did, we whooped and hollered like we just won the lottery! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Why couldn’t you throw or run outside?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 2, 2018 11:15:07 GMT -6
My LB gets a facemask called against him for making a great and tough tackle. Incidental contact and I wasn't mad at all about it. Head Coach thinks he is a lousy LB anyway, and has yanked him all year long right in front of me and without any warnings. Really just can not stand the kid. Not sure why, he is a great Will LB. Head Coach loves a sophomore who is really athletic but a terrible LB. My Will LB is a senior and 2 year starter. Anyway, after the facemask against our in town rival the Head Coach flips. Pulls him. Makes me put in the sophomore kid who has no business playing LB. Offense false starts. I sneak my pulled Will LB back on the field between the penalty assesment. Head Coach is on the opposite end of the sideline. So I pulled the ol' sneak attack substitute. Head Coach notices the LB back in the game, goes on huge rant and is giving me the death glare and making his way aggressively toward me. Chewing my butt hard as he is approaching where I believe he will unleash the torrents of hell when he fully arrives. He is way pissed. Finger pointing. Arms flailing. WHO PUT HIM BACK IN!! WHY IS HE IN THERE!?!?! Full on rage and I anticipate the in-game pink slip. Guy has a raging old man temper. Play starts. Outside receiver runs comeback to the boundary. Will LB drops like the stud he is. Head Coach less than 5 feet away from me perhaps ready to throat punch me for the substitution. Will LB snatches that son of a b**ch and scores a 43 yard touchdown right in front of Head Coach. Head Coach pauses. Looks at me. Looks away. Looks at me. Looks away. Holds one finger up for the PAT. Looks back at me. Laughs a little bit. Shakes my hand and says, "Heck of a call. I guess you were right!" Best butt chewing ever? Hope you gave that Will LB some of your paycheck! LOL Great story
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Post by silkyice on Aug 1, 2018 19:39:58 GMT -6
....even worse he never understood why I fired him. Bet he still tells that story also, proving that he is an idiot to all who will listen. LOL
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Post by silkyice on Aug 1, 2018 14:43:36 GMT -6
I didn't say not to repeat a successful play until the defense adjusted-stopped it. I did that myself many times over 30 years calling plays.
To do otherwise would be poor coaching.
My point was to describe that tactic with any of those three phrases is cliché to the point of meaningless.
I get what you’re saying. Like in practice when the scout team defense picks a ball off and the OC says” don’t worry about that if he sits like that in a game we are going to kill them with this play.” I’m sitting there like how the hell are you just going to say that when the QB hit the safety in the chest with the ball? It was a terrible read It’s always offensive coaches who say that sh!t LOL. I am definitely guilty of that. Not that exactly, but... There will be times when something isn't open and I say that should be open in the game and if it isn't, they can't stop this. Happens even more with run game stuff.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 28, 2018 17:16:27 GMT -6
Souces tell me that Coach Dante Bartee of this board ( who has helped many of us ) was named the linebacker coach of division 2 Upper Iowa University...he will be the youngest position coach in college football...congrats coach!!! Well deserved and best of luck!!!!! Congrats!
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Post by silkyice on Jul 25, 2018 17:28:33 GMT -6
None of what I said is about being late to a meeting and then asking for a promotion...? I just said there's really no reason to spend all that time... its generally unnecessary. Many of us, myself included often make too big a deal out of this game. It's my passion, and my livelihood, but I will never let it affect how my son is raised, or how my wife is treated. Of course there are times that she understands she kind of takes a backseat (in season specifically), but I'm never going to be the guy who sits around the office in June throwing pencils at the ceiling and watching hours of NFL/D1 video clips. I do that at night when the family goes to bed. Which is exactly what this thread is referencing, along with overworking kids kid are not choosing to skip football because they are over worked. They work 2x aas hard at video games, summer job, school, gettin' some. And they still find time to drink smoke weed, or whatever. The reason do not come is because they justifiably see a double standard. The players are suppose to at x number of work outs a week during summer. Most coaches can't be but once a week during summer. Coaches justify just the way you did. " I am a man, I have kids I have to feed!" That is the average coach. But when the kid misses a work out, "we a part of a brother hood, you be lettin' your brothers down" from same coach who does his weekly appearance. The kid rightfully so flip the coach the bird. You want to say we spend to much bs'ing? I wouldn't argue that. We do a lot of thing that simply defy logic and is done because. That does not justify the double standard many coaches have when it comes to their players. Its the adults not the kids. Kids play every other virtually year round down here. Its not work that is the problem, and you are not fooling them. Well, I sure as hell ain't foolin no one. My kids work their tails off and I work twice as hard.
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