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Post by tog on Nov 10, 2005 9:36:19 GMT -6
football here guys
and how do you schedule practice to accomodate limited two way players?
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Post by brophy on Nov 10, 2005 9:41:07 GMT -6
That's a no-no in our State - "Don't ask - don't tell"
Althought the Carolina Panther cheerleaders do ....so I'm told.
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Post by tog on Nov 10, 2005 9:42:46 GMT -6
football
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Post by brophy on Nov 10, 2005 9:47:05 GMT -6
ahem.
We "sold out to the two-platoon" system 2 years ago. It really helps (IMO). Unfortunately, we have a lot of players that we just CANNOT sit. We found out the hard way this year. We probably should've not been so locked in to being two-platoon at all costs, but it did afford other players to play different positions, step up, stay relatively 'fresh'.
We have a conference power house that you can SEE during their games (they are exclusive two-platoon) that can lay into teams into the 3rd / 4th qtrs.
Teams that DO it...from what i've seen are very successful and have LOTS of numbers. Teams that don't can be successful, but won't have many numbers.
The problem with the two-way guys is that because they are so explosive, they are the ones that will be accomodated with changes each week (key role players).
How do we teach then? Each kid has a primary and secondary position. In the Spring we 'draft' the entire program's roster to determine those primary and secondary positions -each kid is judged. Indy is for the primary and after the first week of camp, we can sacrifice those 'playmakers' to use group time / split-team time to go to their secondary position.
During team split, we do 15 plays offense / 15 plays defense and repeat.
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Post by ogie4 on Nov 10, 2005 9:52:28 GMT -6
We coach both sides of the ball.
First half of practice is defense, second half offense.
I really like the format, all players have a primary and secondary position.
Coaching staff harmony stays intact, no fighting over players, blaming O or D.
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Post by PowerDown on Nov 10, 2005 10:26:51 GMT -6
We have the same format as ogie so on single practice days it is like two practices. We only have one player that starts both ways but have many that start on one side of the ball but see time at the other. It has really helped us in the 2nd half to have predominatly one way players but it was more out of personnel than a philosophy. The problem with 2 ways players besides fatigue is that if one happens to get injured you have to replace two positions.
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Post by tog on Nov 10, 2005 11:31:32 GMT -6
sometimes when in that situation you have to replace more than two, as a starter at another spot might have to move in to that slot and then bump somone over
makes subbing correctly crucial
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 10, 2005 11:36:11 GMT -6
tog, i must admit that when i first read the topic heading i immediately thought of about 10 jokes but i'm going to refrain from them.....this is not one of those 'other' boards...
we technically play both sides of the ball. but, for the most part we are a 1-sided team. majority of our players play only offense or defense even though all practice (for the most part) a second position. the skill players are the ones that play both sides more so than lineman type kids.
coaches only coach one side. when varsity is on offense, the jv is practicing defense with the defensive coaches -- vice versa
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Post by tog on Nov 10, 2005 11:38:09 GMT -6
I know how to write a subject line don't I? brophy fell for it, but got back on task real soon
ok for those of you that limited both ways, how much do you try and keep the ol off of that equation?
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Post by ogie4 on Nov 10, 2005 11:44:26 GMT -6
I know how to write a subject line don't I? brophy fell for it, but got back on task real soon ok for those of you that limited both ways, how much do you try and keep the ol off of that equation? Try to avoid using them on D if at all possible.
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Post by brophy on Nov 10, 2005 11:44:44 GMT -6
from a coaches standpoint - this makes the game a heck of a lot funner (not that it's ever unfun) because when you get your entire offense / defense on the sidelines after a series....you can actually MAKE REAL ADJUSTMENTS during a game - you don't have to call time out or wait until half-time to counter the unexpected.
OL? Those guys I think are made to go one-way. We have had three guys play both sides (one QB split time as DE), but the way we see it. We try to coach 'em up as much as possible. Those big boys just cannot go both ways for a half, let alone a full game. Our dumb and nasty big boys play D line. Our smart and kind big boys play O line. What can you do???!? This also makes SCOUT time in practice a HECK of a lot more efficient. Our first O plays the first D (with some 'scrub' subs at times), so you're not facing the Napoleon Dynamite of your squad playing MLB, when the crosstown rival has Bill Romanowski playing that spot.
I've coached both styles (two way / one way) and really really appreciate the two-way time to invest in coaching each kid up. I would love to hear more about this from other coahces, though....
I think the BIG thing is this....you can develop team D / O solidarity, but you must emphasize EVERYDAY that we are ALL a team.....we tell the defense that if the offense doesn't score, they don't score....WE (Defense) have to be the one responsible for scoring as well - They can't win if they don't score.... If you don't work together as a staff, the kids pick up on it and it can promote the finger-pointing. It also can help make the team more competitive - we've had sessions where we'd just let it fly and play OUR base offense versus OUR base defense for the a prize or whatever.....evened out it becomes a lot of fun.
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Post by ogie4 on Nov 10, 2005 11:44:47 GMT -6
I know how to write a subject line don't I? brophy fell for it, but got back on task real soon ok for those of you that limited both ways, how much do you try and keep the ol off of that equation? Try to avoid using them on D if at all possible.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 10, 2005 11:46:14 GMT -6
we usually do this for offense: we get a qb, 1 rec, 1 ol........defense picks next
in reality, though, it is more about who can help the team the most where, regardless of what is wanted. this year, our best receiver was needed most at the starting free safety so he was limited in the use by the offense. others years, it is reversed.....all depends on the make-up of the team and where we need him the most.
only had 1 o-line guy play defense really. he was used on goalline/short yardage defense. in the past we've had only 1 or 2 each year play both sides.
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Post by los on Nov 10, 2005 18:45:11 GMT -6
Its tough at our little school. The 8 or 10 good athletes(still looking for 11) have to play on every team including special teams. Real iron man football for these guys and south geogia is as hot as a ( Carolina Panther Cheerleader, Thanks Brophy!) in Aug. and Sept., even Oct. this season! I kind of feel sorry for them, almost!
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Post by fish on Nov 12, 2005 22:47:58 GMT -6
i am on the same staff as ogie, but i don't like it as much. i do like that i am learning more about both sides of the ball. i also like that because of the practice time/format you have to focus on the most important thing for that day.
what i don't like is the adjustment issue already mentioned. kids will ask me a question when they come off the field and its hard to answer right away because i am focusing on the position that's playing right now.
i also don't like that because you spend your time on that most important item, it can be difficult to work on other aspects of the position until you notice they become a problem and are now the most important thing.
i like the setup of the coaches that coach on friday night are coaching the players for their position from 10th grade through their senior year. it provides continuity, trust, and allows the players to build every single year. coaching both sides of the ball on all levels (9th, sub-varsity, and varsity) makes it harder to do that because a player can have a different coach almost every year in the program.
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Post by PowerDown on Nov 15, 2005 5:38:57 GMT -6
I like having the o line just play one side of the ball, allows you to coach them when you are on defense. If you have one or two missing and you want to go over what the defense is throwing at you, you end up having one of your one way oline trying to tell your two way players minutes of coaching in 10 seconds in the huddle. I also beleive that Oline and Dline although similiar in stature are completely different in demeanor and mental ability.
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Post by phantom on Nov 15, 2005 18:26:19 GMT -6
We play our guys both ways. Can't see keeping good players off of the field. We have offensive practice on Tuesday and defensive practice on Wednesday. We think that we get more comprehensive work by having a full practice for each. How do we keep the OL off of defense? That usually takes care of itself.
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Post by cookiemonster on Nov 20, 2005 23:00:31 GMT -6
The thing that has hurt us playing one way is it costs our Sophmores playing time because they end up being backups and I hate that.
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