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Post by jcarbon2 on Nov 29, 2007 22:14:32 GMT -6
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Post by 7384729737 on Nov 29, 2007 22:23:40 GMT -6
That's what someone said today at work to me and this other guy and we argued to him that there is no way he only makes that. Guess I was wrong.  |
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Post by burtledog on Nov 29, 2007 22:43:56 GMT -6
A few thoughts. It is only for a coach of 42 years and his success. Saban hasn't got anything near the record and is getting 8 times as much. Of course, I don't know what the speaking circuit and the coaches shows pay, but then again, 500K is nothing to sneeze at. I would also say if the state pays the money, the tax payers should have an idea what it is. They work to pay it.
Greg
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Post by Yash on Nov 29, 2007 22:47:20 GMT -6
Does anybody think that money had any reason as to why Joe paterno is coaching though? Lets compare him and Saban. Saban has 8 times the contract and about 100 times the ego. Paterno doesn't measure his success by $$$$ and probably not by wins and losses either. Hes about the kids. You don't see alabama players cleaning up the stadium after home games when they make the news paper for the negative things.
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Post by burtledog on Nov 30, 2007 1:22:27 GMT -6
I think you are right, as long as Joe could by a decent house and send his own kids to school, i don't think he cared or cares about money at all.
Greg
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 30, 2007 7:16:53 GMT -6
I would also say if the state pays the money, the tax payers should have an idea what it is. They work to pay it. Greg The state doesn't actually pay the money, most schools (including Penn State) pay coaches out of the athletic budget, which at Penn State, is raised entirely from private sources/ticket revenues/etc. However, he's a member of the state retirement system, which information is (now) publicly available. |
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Post by information on Nov 30, 2007 8:44:51 GMT -6
Didn;t he donate most if not all the money for the library?
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Post by deaux68 on Nov 30, 2007 8:59:56 GMT -6
I'm probably gonna catch a lot of heck for this, but let's be honest.............
JoPa hasn't "coached" in a long time. In my opinion I don't think he should be getting credit for the wins. Him or Bobby Bowden.
JoPa is a great man and a great coach. He's done more than any one man should have ever done for Penn State or the game of football. That being said, I think he needs to call it a day.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 30, 2007 9:37:39 GMT -6
Didn;t he donate most if not all the money for the library? Yes, they even named an entire wing after him. |
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Post by information on Nov 30, 2007 9:50:32 GMT -6
As for not Coaching....Doesn't the head coach make decisions on Coordinators, Practice plans, Recruits, Disipline etc, If that is not coaching what is....I thought he should have stepped down 3 or 4 years ago...but he has proven me wrong. He has shown especially these last few years that you can be sucessful delagating and hiring quality people.
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Post by los on Nov 30, 2007 9:53:30 GMT -6
That is a "good" topic to discuss deaux and maybe you won't catch too much flak about it? But what does the HC actually "do" in a large organization such as this? Is he supposed to be a "hands on" position coach or coordinator? Or just the guy who "has a vision" of how he wants his team to perform on the field , in the classroom and in everyday life, and who "sets" the overall "standards" for these goals? I bet both the guys you mentioned, would "love" to get back to "just teaching football", and would be the first ones to tell us ="players won all those games". On another subject, just cause you're getting older, doesn't mean your brain stops working ...  I've heard this tossed around in the media, that these older guys are "too old fashioned", "out of touch" or "can't learn the newer systems" , therefore the best athletes won't want to play for them? Hmmm, when did football turn into a game for rocket scientists, must have missed that   |
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Post by phantom on Nov 30, 2007 10:12:15 GMT -6
I'm probably gonna catch a lot of heck for this, but let's be honest............. JoPa hasn't "coached" in a long time. In my opinion I don't think he should be getting credit for the wins. Him or Bobby Bowden. JoPa is a great man and a great coach. He's done more than any one man should have ever done for Penn State or the game of football. That being said, I think he needs to call it a day. Obviously you haven't been to a Penn State practice. |
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 30, 2007 11:45:19 GMT -6
I'm probably gonna catch a lot of heck for this, but let's be honest............. JoPa hasn't "coached" in a long time. In my opinion I don't think he should be getting credit for the wins. Him or Bobby Bowden. JoPa is a great man and a great coach. He's done more than any one man should have ever done for Penn State or the game of football. That being said, I think he needs to call it a day. Obviously you haven't been to a Penn State practice. That's about the same thing I was going to say! Just because he doesn't wear a headset on the sidelines during games doesn't mean he doesn't have an extraordinary amount of influence over everything that goes on. |
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Post by coachorr on Nov 30, 2007 11:46:21 GMT -6
Prez, in Idaho the college coaches are paid out of the state budget. Coach Petersen at Boise State is currently the highest state paid official. He makes more than the govenor.
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Post by dubber on Nov 30, 2007 12:07:23 GMT -6
I'm probably gonna catch a lot of heck for this, but let's be honest............. JoPa hasn't "coached" in a long time. In my opinion I don't think he should be getting credit for the wins. Him or Bobby Bowden. JoPa is a great man and a great coach. He's done more than any one man should have ever done for Penn State or the game of football. That being said, I think he needs to call it a day. hmmmmmmmm................ I think the gentlemen who posted ahead said everything I wanted to..............I'm sure JoePa knows a lot more about X's and O's than most on this board, but I bet no one on this board can match his ability to deal with his Jimmies and Joes------ ------that's the HC's job. IF I ever became a HC, I'd hire an OC and a DC out of the gate, because I would be too busy running the program to worry about the intricate details of scheme. Would I be involved? heck yes Would I ever try to scheme and gameplan an offense in addition to my HC duties.............probably not. Some guys do it, but how much do we really know about HOW MUCH they actually do? Some HCs appear to call the plays, but are tehy really making the call, or is it the OC in the booth who watched 70 hours of film this week? Some are talented enough to do both..............for people with my limited ability, I'd do well to manage the other 1,000 vital to our success I know Mike Leach gave up playcalling duties, this season. Still, there are a few still "calling the shots" (Spurrier, Paul Johnson come to mind), but HOW MUCH are they actually doing playcall-wise on gameday? They sure as heck aren't on the field flying solo. Joe Pa knows how to run a program as well as anyone in the country, and that's what matters in a HC............guys who are wizard X's and O's guys are a dime a dozen (seriously), but CEO's are few and far between. |
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Post by captain31 on Nov 30, 2007 12:42:04 GMT -6
Prez, in Idaho the college coaches are paid out of the state budget. Coach Petersen at Boise State is currently the highest state paid official. He makes more than the govenor. Well, he had a better year than the governor (Babe Ruth, anyone?). |
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Post by wingtol on Nov 30, 2007 18:06:41 GMT -6
Being a PA guy I was either thinking he was gonna make like 8mil a year or like 50,000 when they announced it. I am not really shocked that he makes 500k, he's prob got about 100x's that in the state retirement system since he's been in it for 45+ years now. He prob also makes quite a bit in endorsements, if you ever been to State College you can't turn any where with our a cardboard JoePa staring you down! Also the guy is very modest and really has no need for the big money. I believe he is still listed in the State College phone book, I have seen his house and its your typical 60's era ranch style house. I truly think he cares less about the money.
As far as him coaching, I used to think he really didn't do much. Then I saw him coach a few times in spring ball and it changed my mind. He def was out there coaching and running around yellin and screaming. Sure he hasn't has the greatest OC's the last few years and they need to make a change there but again he is loyal to a fault to ast. coaches. All in all he should prob step down but Penn State wouldn't be half of what it is without him and he should go out on his terms. Suffer through a few lean years but remember all JoePa did for PSU and its worth it.
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Post by davecisar on Nov 30, 2007 18:34:22 GMT -6
It may have something to do with the era of the coach. Tom Osborne made about 250k 9 years ago at NU and would always divide up his bonus to be paid to his assistants directly.
He always seemed to be embarrassed about what he made, lives in a very modest home assessed at less than 250k and drives a Chevy Tahoe. It has to do with who the guy is inside as to how much $$$ he is chasing after IMHO. BTW Osborne wasnt one to make a ton of outside money either, he only did commercials for non-profits, no car dealership deals etc or big money speeches.
Im sure there are still other guys like that around.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 30, 2007 19:27:56 GMT -6
hey i love the fact two of the best coaches in modern football (Osborne and Paterno) were also men of character and didnt need an enormous salary to prove their worth.
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Post by spencerxi on Nov 30, 2007 20:32:01 GMT -6
I'm probably gonna catch a lot of heck for this, but let's be honest............. JoPa hasn't "coached" in a long time. In my opinion I don't think he should be getting credit for the wins. Him or Bobby Bowden. JoPa is a great man and a great coach. He's done more than any one man should have ever done for Penn State or the game of football. That being said, I think he needs to call it a day. I have one friend who GA'd at FSU and can confirm this. I guess they become more of a psychologist or ceo. T Coach Bowden apparently didn't have a relationship with much of his players except a few big names. For practice he'd just sit in his perch and watch the whole time. No interaction at all. However the most powerful leaders in the world seem to always surround themselves with intelligent, innovative ect... people. Thats how they get where they are I guess! |
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Post by phantom on Nov 30, 2007 21:58:23 GMT -6
I'm probably gonna catch a lot of heck for this, but let's be honest............. JoPa hasn't "coached" in a long time. In my opinion I don't think he should be getting credit for the wins. Him or Bobby Bowden. JoPa is a great man and a great coach. He's done more than any one man should have ever done for Penn State or the game of football. That being said, I think he needs to call it a day. I have one friend who GA'd at FSU and can confirm this. I guess they become more of a psychologist or ceo. T Coach Bowden apparently didn't have a relationship with much of his players except a few big names. For practice he'd just sit in his perch and watch the whole time. No interaction at all. However the most powerful leaders in the world seem to always surround themselves with intelligent, innovative ect... people. Thats how they get where they are I guess! What exactly does this have to do with Joe Paterno? |
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Post by crl on Dec 1, 2007 4:53:29 GMT -6
2 years ago. Paterno called Mack Brown...and said coach can I send my staff down there to learn your system?... If that is not hands on, what is. A Div 1 HC is a CEO... the decisions are his and he has the final nod.
As per the money, after 1 million years and his age retirement =death. 500k is nothing to this man, winning is and a program of integrety.
Go Joe!
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I've heard this tossed around in the media, that these older guys are "too old fashioned", "out of touch" or "can't learn the newer systems" , therefore the best athletes won't want to play for them? Hmmm, when did football turn into a game for rocket scientists, must have missed that 
