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Post by here4thekids on Oct 24, 2007 12:50:44 GMT -6
Hey guys I had to come to the coaching fraternity for a little bit of advice for the playoffs. We are in good position to get the #1 or #2 seed (right now looks like #2) in our playoff bracket as we will probably end the season 9-1 (our last few games are against opponents whose records are subpar). Everything is going great as we have been dominant in all of our games except for the one we lost. The problem..............we got dominated in that game losing 29-0 against a very well-coached team.
What do I need need advice on...............Well we are a tradational spread team with a dual-threat quarterback and a WR who is one of the top in the state. Our passing offense is really good and our running offense is decent against lesser quality opponents. This team who beat us ran a 2 Man Scheme on us where they jammed my #1's, OLB's split the difference on #2's, and pretty much took our passing game (and our top WR away). We had a little success running option, hardly any in our base running game, and a little in our QB running scheme. They were extremely fast thus making it hard to really get anything going and their DLine dominated our Oline.
So I believe that they found the way to slow our offense down and I need suggestions to get it going against someone who tries to employ the same gameplan and who is as good as them. This is the game that everyone knows we were dominated in and I am sure that our playoff opponents will look at this tape for the formula to beat us (I'm surprised no one has already). Our running game/option game can't substain us and I need to find a way to open things up so we can do what we need to do. How can we have success against 2 Man when they can stop the run/option with out really being concerned about it. I am thinking our short passing game and rub routes but again those didn't even work that game (they threw our timing off). I don't know, I still have a couple weeks but I need to start getting ready for it now. Thanks guys.
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Post by brophy on Oct 24, 2007 13:56:32 GMT -6
screens, shifts, motion.......
do you run any jet?
2 MAN, who is accounting for your dual-threat quarterback?
Option, Follow, QB powers.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 24, 2007 14:13:43 GMT -6
Well, I think that the "formula" was really allowed because you front 5 couldn't push around their front 4. If they can, than your options and run game should have flowed a bit better considering everyone else is being run off. If the OLB's aren't being run off..speed option pass.
Also, take your 1's off the line and motion a bit, much harder to press and disrupt routes,
Swing passes out the backfield with the WR clearing out...your RB vs their LB (or nickle)
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Post by scoresomemore on Oct 24, 2007 14:18:13 GMT -6
few things for thought:
1. are your outside receivers off the LOS? If not, maybe move them OFF and use motion to defeat the corner's ability to jam.
2. bunch or clustered sets can be very tough to defend in any man scheme, especially if you compress formations and are able to attack the entire field by using crossers from the backside.
3. i would look at using some form of MAX pass pro and taking a shot. Possibly scissors concept or any concepts using sight pictures, i got this from dan robinson, he talked alot about taking a sight picture that a defender has been taught to react to, and attacking it (ex: hash safety flies off the hash vs corner route, attacked with a corner by the inside receiver then a post by the outside receiver)
4. quick game can be tough vs an aggressive under cover, especially with physical man cover with it. they are begging you to throw deeper routes, so do it with play action and well calculated max pass pro sets to " take a shot".
5. Start in or motion to trips, isolate your best receiver and see how they want to play it. Also have a flood package to attack the trips side if they are weak.
just a few ideas....
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Post by brophy on Oct 24, 2007 15:02:10 GMT -6
if you go 5 wide, are they going to completely empty the box or check out to a different coverage?
Try check-with-me darts if they empty.
what would happen if you bring all your guys in tight?
-------------X---O-O-[-]-O-O-----Y-------------------
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-------------------------Q---F---------------------------
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Post by here4thekids on Oct 24, 2007 18:50:39 GMT -6
Btrophy, our QB runs and option started off fairly decently but they were able to stop it as the game progressed. I mean to be honest their DLine (2 D1 kids) was able to stop all inside based run plays that's with our average running back and even with the QB runs. They accounted by having the 2 OLB's play the QB on options, runs, etc (DE's took care of our very average RB). Their LBers were head up but were able to assist in the run game for the QB and when we went play-action the safeties were responsible for immediately getting over top of #2 (the deep routes of course). In addition to be honest their Dline dominated our line in the running game and they were so good that it threw our timing off in the passing game. I went to more TE sets and 2 back sets to get more blocking but it didn't make much of a difference. And they were way to fast and coached up for screens, they almost picked on a RB middle screen, lol.
Good idea about motion with #1. We only motion #2 or #3 and leave #1 pretty stationary (other than shifts). We do have an invert call (#1's off the LOS #2 on the LOS) but didn't go to it during the game. Also, I like the Bunch idea which we have of course and the Empty Sets. I don't know why I didn't think of that. Should've went empty with quick passing game, QB runs, and Jet off of it. I am the type of coach that thinks about how can we get more protection (more backs, TE's, etc.) to get our plays off but I should have emptied it out and hit our short game. Very good suggestion, thanks.
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Post by brophy on Oct 24, 2007 19:03:22 GMT -6
what about putting your stud receiver in the backfield as the F? I mean, what are they going to do? Put a corner in the box? And if you motion him out, now he's one-on-one with a slow MLB. In the spread gun, the QB & F count as a "two-back" set.....lead with the F, or empty and just don't block the BSDE when you run Dart.  Now you may not have the protection, but why wouldn't your Kentucky Mesh stuff not work against a 2deep man coverage? One of the things about game planning, is preparing for the worst-case scenario......then when it IS working it isn't that difficult. Meaning, how do you make them pay for running what THEY run (blitz, man, 0, Cover 8, etc)? |
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 25, 2007 6:18:27 GMT -6
Motion your #1 WR every play. Even if it's just to his left or right a few yards. If they are double teaming him, puthim in the backfield and motion him out to his position before the snap. You can run everything the same, just get the kid in motion.
Get your best player the ball.
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Post by shs06 on Oct 25, 2007 7:37:52 GMT -6
When we are getting pressed up we like to do what a bunch of the guys said and take #1 off of the ball. Another option is run the bubble with #2 if the OLB is covering him, but trying to play in between he should have leverage. Another thing that we do if people are pressing a bunch is stack our receivers and run double move routes, or have the top guy run interference routes and try to open up the back guy.
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Post by coachbdud on Oct 25, 2007 10:18:16 GMT -6
empty set under center QB sneak and get 5 a pop til the switch out of 2 man
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Post by silkyice on Oct 26, 2007 10:31:12 GMT -6
How can they be 2 man and the OLB's play QB on option? Runoff the OLB's & C's and run option.
Your best plays are the slot & se screens in my opinion.
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