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Post by coachnichols on Dec 16, 2007 23:13:11 GMT -6
Is anyone out there a head coach, but not working in the building?
Pro's and Con's? How is it or did it work for you?
(I changed the title. I didn't think about Rule 10 not being a universial term. Sorry bout that.)
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bigcroz
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Post by bigcroz on Dec 17, 2007 9:34:24 GMT -6
I am not in the building, not a teacher. Am a nurse....ok let the jokes fly. But it allows me to make my own schedule and pay the bills. I took over a program 2 years ago that had only won 1 game in the schools history. (6 years, they had been a soccer only community from 30 some years) Went 2-7 the first year and 6-3 this season along with a trip to the playoffs. Pros: Don't see the kids all day everyday to be able to form opinions about the kid based on anything other than his performance on the field. (a slack, jokester in class, not on the field) Not there for the kids to get tired of all day in class. I am a pretty strict disciplinarian and that could get old in class all day. IMO Cons: Not there everyday in the offseason. Distance from adminstration if/when I need something. No teacher union to back me....new teacher wants the job....see ya!
Overall it has been a great mix for us as a program. I am also a volunteer track/throwing coach, so I get to spend alot of time with the kids in the spring (read weight room)! In Michigan it is not a requirement (like in some states) for the HC to be a teacher. It seems that more and more schools are hiring the best COACH for the job regardless of his profession. There are some guys that get jobs both teachers and non teachers that have no business coaching pop warner teams much less varsity, but just like in any other job......it happens.
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Post by coachnorm on Dec 17, 2007 10:01:13 GMT -6
I knew when I saw the term "Rule 10" you were from Kansas.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Dec 17, 2007 10:33:15 GMT -6
I have always been of the belief that the more coaches you have in the building the better off you are. It could work if you have some good assistants in the building.
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Post by kboyd on Dec 17, 2007 13:20:55 GMT -6
I am a Co-Head Coach and work off site, the other Co-Head Coach is a teacher at the school. He is the only staff member out of 8 of us that is at the school. We've been doing it this way for the last 3 seasons and it has worked out well.
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Post by trojan on Dec 17, 2007 16:05:46 GMT -6
I teach 8th grade and coach 7th grade. I think it is beneficial seeing kids each day, but I have a con for you. While I support the classroom teachers, they can rely a little too much on having me (and another coach) in the building. I depend on myself for classroom management, so I feel that some of the faculty should do a little more before they run to the coach.
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Post by mrfr33z3 on Dec 17, 2007 20:07:05 GMT -6
well I'm a newly appointed HC well......this past season. Last season I was the OC and I wasn't in the building until the Spring of last year full time but I'm not a Teacher, but I have a Degree in Business and Marketing. so the School I'm at as well as the A.D said well.....he's the Head coach let's create a Position for him because he needs to be in the building as the Head Guy. so the school gave me In School Detention....so I'm Dealing with all the schools Jerk off's while I'm watching and breaking down film and making plans for the day. so it's not to bad but it's a headache at times. but it's an easy gig
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Post by bigcroz on Dec 18, 2007 8:27:00 GMT -6
Dc- I hear your frustration, but as a guy who is not in the building, I never leave my assistants out there like that. I am at the school 1 hour before classes are let out to handle all of the administrative stuff and often after practice til its all done. I do not ask for nor do I expect special treatment for any player. If they are having discipline issues I have asked the Principal and the rest of the staff to treat them just like they would any other student. If that means detention and they miss practice so be it. That comes with its own set of consequences for football and all the kids know that. When other teachers bring these issues to you I feel it is them trying to lesson their responsibility to handle the situation, therefore they give it to you becuase "he is one of yours". This attitude has to change, those students are just that students. If the student acts up in your class handle it..PERIOD. OK enough ranting..sorry...
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Post by kdcoach on Dec 18, 2007 10:23:10 GMT -6
I'm not a teacher, not in the building and neither are any of my assistants. (hoping to change that this coming season) This will be my 7th year as the Head Coach and it has been this way since it started. It works out ok although to be honest it would probably be a little easier if I was in the building or at least a couple of my assistants were. If you set your own schedule and can be at the building when it's required it can work out ok I think. The biggest problem for me is that I can't recruit kids out of the hallways like most teaching coaches can. I don't know if I would change it to be in the building or not, I don't always agree with a lot of the things that go on in the work of academia and I'm not real sure I would be able to keep my mouth shut.
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Post by run2daylight on Dec 18, 2007 10:38:40 GMT -6
The past three coaches we've had at our school (including myself) have not been in the building. If I'm not mistaken we've never had more than one person in the building. As was stated earlier, the day to day operations of the program will often fall on that person. I was laughing when I read the post about that because my coach often refers to himself as director of day to day football operations. Everyone needs a guy like that. As far as not being in the building, I really don't mind it. Most of the time I like it. The only thing I wish I could monitor better would be academics. Its actually very refreshing for me to be elsewhere. I teach at an alternative school in the same county. Although I wouldn't turn down an opportunity to teach in the school, I definitely don't see a problem with being out of the building. (except when the AD gets wrapped up in basketball season and takes forever to respond to e-mails)
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Post by trojan on Dec 18, 2007 10:42:11 GMT -6
dcohio
I admire you for what you do. On some level, you are getting screwed. I doubt intentionally, but that is still the case.
I run into the problem of having a volunteer coach with a job outside the school, a paid coach who arrives often after warm-ups, and another paid coach that is our "Dean of Students" at the school and arrives marginally late. In my case, however, I am the head coach. Although it doesn't go to my head, I can say with confidence that I am the man. I can make decisions without worrying that another coach will reverse the decision.
It used to be that our 8th grade team had three paid coaches and one volunteer. NONE of them were in the building. On game days, after school, it was always the volunteer that was there to maintain order. Ever tried to get 50 8th grade boys to stay calm for 3 hours before a game? Not cool.
I feel for you, but from the posts I've read from you, you sound like a guy that I'd trust for that bad situation.
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