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Post by dubber on Feb 5, 2008 22:20:00 GMT -6
I definitely take the alcohol away from him........ya know........for safety.
I agree with Huey.....document it, have him breathaylzed.....if he's been drinking, I suspend him for the rest of the season, BUT I ALLOW HIM TO STILL BE AROUND THE TEAM------be a manager or something.
Obviously a kid showing up to practice drunk has some issues, and he needs you now more than ever. Let him stick around, and help him get the help he needs.
We are in this thing to help young men-----that shouldn't stop, for any reason.
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Post by bodaad on Feb 6, 2008 9:40:58 GMT -6
FNL Senario-First off, in any real or hypothetical situation, the point in the season, championship game, whatever should not matter. You have a school policy and you should enforce it. Our school policy is that any student suspected of being intoxicated at school or a school related function, results in the police being called.
Think about this, those of you who would send him home. If he is intoxicated how is he going to get home, drive? If you suspect him of being drunk and you let him drive home, you could possible be liable, legally and/or morally if he was to get in an accident.
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Post by dhooper on Feb 6, 2008 10:47:30 GMT -6
I had a situation happen this last season. In my younger days no question cut him. What I did was parent meeting a contract no screw ups or immediately off the team, ran after practice two weeks (puke almost every day) and a two game suspension. He came back got his starting position back and did great. If I would of booted him off I firmly believe he would of drop out of school. I look at him now and so proud of him, its nice to see him making good decisions.
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Post by Coach Huey on Feb 6, 2008 10:58:32 GMT -6
again ... there are 2 issues here and most people want to talk only about the consquences ... heck, guys ... that's the "easy" part.
we need to be talking about the other issue ... PROVING IT and how you handle it AT THE TIME IT IS HAPPENING (not, the "cut him" or "run him" .... those are things you do AFTER it has been proven and AFTER the event happens)
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Post by cmow5 on Feb 6, 2008 11:53:45 GMT -6
In the friday night lights situation. It was after school practice and the player never showed up for school. 2:30 3:00 in the afternoon I would say if you smell like booze you have been drinking that day. also qb1 was acting very happy(unusual) for him and lines up behind the guard instead of the center one time. Would that be enough proof or does someone have to say" I seen him drinking" or does he have to blow positive? Just wondering how much proof is needed in that situation?
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Post by texasokie on Feb 6, 2008 15:14:05 GMT -6
If it is at practice, I would not send him home. Can you imagine the lawsuits that would pop up if the kid was to get into a wreck and the coach "sent him home" knowing that he smelled alcohol on his breath? Send him in with a trainer and call the kids parents immediately to come pick him up. Let them see and smell for themselves. Then follow your district procedures.
Everything else is good info., but don't set yourself up for a lawsuit by SENDING him home. It would probably be beneficial to have administration meet the parents there and discuss the course of action per district policy so the parent sees it as you trying to help their kid versus "picking on him" or whatever excuse the parents want to enable their kids by. Themore people you can get on site without causing a big scene, the better off you're going to be as far as dealing with any repucussions of your actions. When everyone sees it with their own eyes, it no longer is he said, she said.
Just my .02.
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coachkaz
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Post by coachkaz on Feb 6, 2008 15:30:24 GMT -6
I'd have him run till he pukes then send him home. Call the parents, call the principal, call the AD. The next day I'd have a sit down with the team explain why he will not be on the team or in the program this year. Have the player hand write an apology to all the players of the program, if he wants to get back in the program the next year.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 6, 2008 15:55:14 GMT -6
And when someone questions you as to why you punished him physically AND THEN dismissed him....
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Post by Coach Huey on Feb 6, 2008 16:08:23 GMT -6
get points, texasokie ... the procedures you are talking about are more important for you as a professional (i.e. your career, and possible headaches) than whatever consequences you hand down.
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coachkaz
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Post by coachkaz on Feb 6, 2008 19:30:00 GMT -6
coachd: well that is if they is no rule for punishment. but you can't say that he did not have a chance to get back on the program can ya?
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Post by wildcat on Feb 6, 2008 19:44:19 GMT -6
We've had kids show up and we were pretty sure that they had been smoking pot. We call the AD (or another administrator if we can't get a hold of the AD) and then wash our hands of it. The AD/administrator will take the kid, conduct an investigation, and then let us know what we can and can't do in terms of punishment.
Well-run athletic departments will have a clearly detailed method for dealing with situations like this that takes the coaching staff out of the loop. To be perfectly honest, the LESS you have to do and say to a kid in this situation, the BETTER it is for the coaches.
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