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Post by vassdiddy on Jul 31, 2007 22:47:48 GMT -6
I've seen a late resurgence in the Oklahoma drill at the NFL level. I was wondering what you all felt about it. Have you used? Did it work to instill some toughness? Is it overrated?
I'd love to hear your thoughts!
-Vass
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 31, 2007 23:02:32 GMT -6
it gets the kids pumped up, brings out the best in kids and really livens up the mood during practice. gets the kids going
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Post by coach79 on Aug 1, 2007 0:01:51 GMT -6
I don't think the OK Drill is about toughness, i think it is more about doing things right and reacting. If you want mindless "toughness" drills play Bull in the Ring.
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Post by tigercoach on Aug 1, 2007 8:59:26 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Aug 1, 2007 9:05:51 GMT -6
good question. I LOVE the "A" drill, thanks, Tiger. This is a good point.......one that I do not have an answer to. I have a preference to TEACH tackling and instruct WHAT I WANT DONE AND HOW I WANT IT DONE. I have a disdain for " Smack 'em up" drills....which pretty much turn out to be glorified " smear the queer" sessions that reinforce bad habits. Sure your alpha dogs "step up", but as far as instruction goes, it leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion. If you're gonna be tough - be tough. One drill or a day of mashing isn't going to change anything. However, I believe if you teach somebody EXACTLY what you want done, they should be able to do more than what they could've done on their own. CONFIDENCE breeds AGGRESSIVENESS. If you know what you're doing, you boost your self-confidence and play like it. If you don't know what you are doing, you have no way to correct it (because you don't know whats wrong) " Hit Harder!!" .... "Toughen Up!".............great, but how?! Teach them how you want it done, wind them up, and let it rip. If you just say "GO AT IT", then invariably, the kids will revert to doing it "their way" and trying to maul anyway they know how to over power someone. What you usually end up with is kids getting hurt (unnecessarily) because we wanted to make "Junction Boys Pt II" for our own jollies. What do you tell a parent who's son got injured because you were running some crazy drill that has no real application in the game because you wanted to see your kids duke it out like Gladiators?
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Post by airraider on Aug 1, 2007 9:32:35 GMT -6
WOW.. Daddy has a new toy!!!!
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Post by airraider on Aug 1, 2007 9:35:05 GMT -6
good question. I LOVE the "A" drill, thanks, Tiger. This is a good point.......one that I do not have an answer to. I have a preference to TEACH tackling and instruct WHAT I WANT DONE AND HOW I WANT IT DONE. I have a disdain for " Smack 'em up" drills....which pretty much turn out to be glorified " smear the queer" sessions that reinforce bad habits. Sure your alpha dogs "step up", but as far as instruction goes, it leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion. If you're gonna be tough - be tough. One drill or a day of mashing isn't going to change anything. However, I believe if you teach somebody EXACTLY what you want done, they should be able to do more than what they could've done on their own. CONFIDENCE breeds AGGRESSIVENESS. If you know what you're doing, you boost your self-confidence and play like it. If you don't know what you are doing, you have no way to correct it (because you don't know whats wrong) " Hit Harder!!" .... "Toughen Up!".............great, but how?! Teach them how you want it done, wind them up, and let it rip. If you just say "GO AT IT", then invariably, the kids will revert to doing it "their way" and trying to maul anyway they know how to over power someone. What you usually end up with is kids getting hurt (unnecessarily) because we wanted to make "Junction Boys Pt II" for our own jollies. What do you tell a parent who's son got injured because you were running some crazy drill that has no real application in the game because you wanted to see your kids duke it out like Gladiators? Brophy.. shut up!! we are doing the dang Cajun Drill.. no go get smoe DOS Equis.. or whatever.. Ok.. they are not running 15 yards and tackling the kid with the dummy.. they are blocking him with their arms out.. and wrapping him up.. we will just take the 10 yard holding pentalty.. lol
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Post by los on Aug 1, 2007 9:55:36 GMT -6
I like it, I'm sure theres lots of versions. Ours was like the 3 hole tackling drill more or less, with 2 o-line and 2 d-line thrown in, sometimes a blocking back. Just a small group drill that simulated run plays inside the tackles. The kids liked it! This was one time when we slowed the pace down, they could watch, learn and cheer on their buddys when they weren't participating! Good fun to me? I do agree with Brophy, that the drill should be set up for some real benefit though! Since we ran the "I" and the blast was one of our bread and butter plays, and we played 2 tech DT's in the 61, this format was ideal for us.
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Post by lukethadrifter on Aug 1, 2007 11:21:26 GMT -6
I have always thought that the Oklahoma drill is the single best drill in football. Thought that 20 years ago and think that now. Offensive linemen, backs, and receivers get work blocking and defensive players have to get off of blocks and see the ball and make a tackle. This is what happens in a real game. Easily the best drill out there that combines blocking, tackling, getting off of blocks, and being aggressive on both sides of the ball. Also not bad for backs and receivers carrying the ball. This is football. My two cents. Luke
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Post by knight9299 on Aug 1, 2007 12:55:02 GMT -6
I love it! We will be doing that the first day of pads!!
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Post by coachaaron on Aug 1, 2007 13:22:50 GMT -6
I love the Okie drill; I agree it is one of the best drills in football. I like the A drill variation shown above . . . may work that into practice in the near future.
Football is all about blocking and tackling. I like using the Okie drill on days when indy period is focused on technique work of blocking and tackling. We do indy first, and then the players get to apply what they learned in indy to a competitive full speed drill. We actually keep score, O vs D in this drill to bring up the intensity.
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Post by tigercoach on Aug 1, 2007 15:01:14 GMT -6
We do the A drill all spring ball and early season; but I would caution you on is spacing. Make sure that the first OL/DL and the next group of OL/LB are spaced out far enough so the second group does not get "rolled up" from behind. IMO, this spacing varies by personnel & match ups.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2007 16:47:28 GMT -6
That A drill is awesome; I've never seen it before. We actually use the Oklahoma drill to culminate the first day of hitting. We spend the whole practice doing tackling drills and then end it with Oklahoma. Now, during the season, if we feel we need a jumpstart, we'll begin practice with it.
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Post by okpowerspread on Aug 2, 2007 17:35:34 GMT -6
I totally agree with Brophy. I love physical drill but make sure it directy applies to what you expect from your kids and yur scheme. How many veer teams block guys head up and drive them out of a gap? We are a zone team and we either have a combo on a guy or simply wash him down in his gap. If my running back is having to make a move or lower his shoulder that quickly after reading a level one block, then someone missed their assignment. Our HC loves Okie drill and it always ends up with a couple banged up shoulders or (God forbid, knock on wood) something more serious. I would rather get more reps at what we actually do than have a %issing contest with the D-line and a LB with a clean shot on my best RB. I can live with a kid getting hurt in a usefull drill or in an inside run drill or something like that, but I never breath easy until we are past the first day of pads.
Now that I am done with my litte rant and I have climbed off my soapbox; I love the A drill and will do my best to convert our Okie Drill to that. I like the usefullness of having all 3 levels of defenders and in the kind of spacing they are asked to play in. We are definatly using that one. Thanks Tiger!
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Post by wingman on Aug 2, 2007 21:29:22 GMT -6
One problem is that a good olineman will stay with the defender when he comes off the block to go for the tackle. This means he id diving up th eback of th edefenders legs. We lost a few guys to bad sprains and quit doing it. We'll just go one on one with no back for aggresiveness.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Aug 2, 2007 23:05:45 GMT -6
In case anyone is interested, I scanned my interpretation of the drill. I'm still not sure how far apart those cones get to. I'm afraid I have them too far apart, but it's hard to tell. If anyone knows, please inform me.
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Post by fbdoc on Aug 3, 2007 7:05:35 GMT -6
Great looking drill (I also like the Shoot and Lever). I think for our kids/program we may only use 2 sets of players to keep the competition under control and to avoid one group from rolling up the back of the next. THIS is the kind of stuff I want to see more of on this board! Well done Tigercoach!
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Post by tigercoach on Aug 3, 2007 12:00:44 GMT -6
In case anyone is interested, I scanned my interpretation of the drill. I'm still not sure how far apart those cones get to. I'm afraid I have them too far apart, but it's hard to tell. If anyone knows, please inform me. Coach, That is exactly where we start with our spacing.
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Post by phantom on Aug 3, 2007 12:51:54 GMT -6
I've seen a late resurgence in the Oklahoma drill at the NFL level. I was wondering what you all felt about it. Have you used? Did it work to instill some toughness? Is it overrated? I'd love to hear your thoughts! -Vass Years ago, on the first day of pads, Oklahoma Drill was a ritual. We wanted to instill and test their toughness. One year we decided that we already knew that our guys were tough. We run fast-paced, physical practices and guys who get through them have nothing to prove. We felt that Oklahoma was a waste of valuable practice time. We never do Oklahoma.
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Post by dacoachmo on Aug 3, 2007 19:22:57 GMT -6
We have done something close to this but spaced the skinny guys(wrs and dbs) out more..but I do like the TE vs LB level...
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