lsuguy1
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that's my man #8 jack hunt.
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Post by lsuguy1 on Jan 1, 2008 8:55:54 GMT -6
if you could ask some kind of football god one question and he could give you the answer, what would you ask him?
(take seriously please)
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Post by schultbear74 on Jan 1, 2008 8:59:04 GMT -6
How much is too much?
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Post by coachdearborn on Jan 1, 2008 9:09:59 GMT -6
Why haven't you created some type of playoff system for college football, because you really don't think LSU vs. OSU is the best you can do, do you? (I worked in two questions and I am serious)
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Post by coachveer on Jan 1, 2008 10:06:08 GMT -6
What kind of system forces kids to stay at a certain school while the Coach that recruited them are allowed to lie their way to the top?
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 1, 2008 10:42:41 GMT -6
What is the single most essential intangible of a winner?
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lsuguy1
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that's my man #8 jack hunt.
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Post by lsuguy1 on Jan 1, 2008 19:30:14 GMT -6
good ones
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Post by knight9299 on Jan 1, 2008 19:44:01 GMT -6
What kind of system forces kids to stay at a certain school while the Coach that recruited them are allowed to lie their way to the top? I like this one!
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 1, 2008 19:50:53 GMT -6
What kind of system forces kids to stay at a certain school while the Coach that recruited them are allowed to lie their way to the top? this keeps the have-nots a little bit closer to the haves... because, all those kids that just weren't quite the caliber to play at UT, USC, OSU, end up at Troy, C. Mich, etc. well, 2 years later they got turn out to be superstar at troy ... so, UT swoops in with their big budget, big recruiting force, and somehow influences the kid to come win a championship, get on tv all the time and blam ... kid leaves troy to UT ... then, some 3rd team kid at UT - who was likely to have his scholly paid all 4 years is "cut" to make room. that is just one, small aspect of what would / could happen if it were "free agent" for everyone. this is not a simple issue so i do get saddened when media treat it as such and then it filters on down and, the contract coaches sign has some type of buyout or "consequences" to breaking said contract. but, if the coach can make do with that buyout after he resigns, he's moving on. players, too, can move on out of their "contract". their "buyout" is to sit out for a year
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2008 20:04:17 GMT -6
Which is better, dbl wing or run and shoot....KIDDING KIDDING.
My serious question would be exactly what schultbear said. How much is too much. How much tape is to much tape...how many sprints are too many sprints.... How many reps is too many reps...Do we take ourselves too seriously
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Post by stackboy on Jan 2, 2008 8:43:15 GMT -6
What is the one thing I will regret after my career is over ?
I am sure the answer would be BALANCE !
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Post by lochness on Jan 2, 2008 9:07:30 GMT -6
I would ask:
"How can I build a program where the kids have fun, learn about teamwork and sportsmanship values, and win on a consistent basis?"
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 2, 2008 9:32:56 GMT -6
"How do you teach big, strong, fast kid to be aggressive?"
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Post by carson101 on Jan 2, 2008 9:45:22 GMT -6
Well since there is only one GOD, I would ask how can I serve you without all the dumb people saying you can't talk about god in school
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50Murf
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Post by 50Murf on Jan 2, 2008 10:13:20 GMT -6
How many licks does it really take to get to the middle of a tootsie roll tootsie pop...?
My real question..
Did anything I taught my players (not related to the actual playing the game of football) really helped them out like I thought/wished it would?
Sometimes I think when I talk to these kids it falls on deaf ears and I wonder if they just tune me out..
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 2, 2008 10:20:49 GMT -6
Did anything I taught my players (not related to the actual playing the game of football) really helped them out like I thought/wished it would? Sometimes I think when I talk to these kids it falls on deaf ears and I wonder if they just tune me out.. Ouch, not sure I want to know the answer to this question I suppose, if the answer is "no", I would probably go about teaching a different way.
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Post by biggroff on Jan 2, 2008 10:48:05 GMT -6
What kind of system forces kids to stay at a certain school while the Coach that recruited them are allowed to lie their way to the top? this keeps the have-nots a little bit closer to the haves... because, all those kids that just weren't quite the caliber to play at UT, USC, OSU, end up at Troy, C. Mich, etc. well, 2 years later they got turn out to be superstar at troy ... so, UT swoops in with their big budget, big recruiting force, and somehow influences the kid to come win a championship, get on tv all the time and blam ... kid leaves troy to UT ... then, some 3rd team kid at UT - who was likely to have his scholly paid all 4 years is "cut" to make room. that is just one, small aspect of what would / could happen if it were "free agent" for everyone. this is not a simple issue so i do get saddened when media treat it as such and then it filters on down and, the contract coaches sign has some type of buyout or "consequences" to breaking said contract. but, if the coach can make do with that buyout after he resigns, he's moving on. players, too, can move on out of their "contract". their "buyout" is to sit out for a year I almost agree with you and you bring up anextremely important reason why student-athletes should not be allowed "free agency". HOWEVER....the NCAA punishes the kid for moving while the NCAA does nothing to the head coach. The punishment to the coach is a contractual. The equivalent would be if a student had to pay back the scholarship money from one institution to go to another one. If the NCAA were to make the coach sit out a year or somehow limit the coaches ability to recruit at the next school (which would be more detrimental and carry more weight with the coaches) I feel that this would be a fair situation. Something has to be done in college football with this coach-hopping situation. It is absolutely insane thatRich Rodriquez is sitting on national television during the Michigan game talking about taking the program over next week WHILE THEY ARE PLAYING THIER HEARTS OUT FOR THE PRESENT STAFF THAT WILL BE FIRED BY RODRIGUEZ! At the same time Rodriguez is talking about putting together a staff of coaches, many of whom are presently coaching in bowl game for other schools. This is insanity! This is not a slam against Rodriguez personally. This happens all the time these days in college football. It is the new way businessis done in college football. This is not good for the health of college football. But I am not sure even the NCAA cares about that. I know that the media does not.
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Post by knight9299 on Jan 2, 2008 10:48:23 GMT -6
What kind of system forces kids to stay at a certain school while the Coach that recruited them are allowed to lie their way to the top? this keeps the have-nots a little bit closer to the haves... because, all those kids that just weren't quite the caliber to play at UT, USC, OSU, end up at Troy, C. Mich, etc. well, 2 years later they got turn out to be superstar at troy ... so, UT swoops in with their big budget, big recruiting force, and somehow influences the kid to come win a championship, get on tv all the time and blam ... kid leaves troy to UT ... then, some 3rd team kid at UT - who was likely to have his scholly paid all 4 years is "cut" to make room. that is just one, small aspect of what would / could happen if it were "free agent" for everyone. this is not a simple issue so i do get saddened when media treat it as such and then it filters on down and, the contract coaches sign has some type of buyout or "consequences" to breaking said contract. but, if the coach can make do with that buyout after he resigns, he's moving on. players, too, can move on out of their "contract". their "buyout" is to sit out for a year The way I pose this question is different than your take. I wonder why a coach can leave for another school, but players that came to play for that coach are stuck. I think if you're a freshman or a redshirt freshman, and your HC leaves you can leave too- with no penalty. You can't follow the HC, but you can go wherever you want without sitting.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 2, 2008 11:14:22 GMT -6
do you want to sit out a year from playing in a game (still practice, still get benefits of team membership, still get education paid for) or pay $15-30,000? (and, you're a 20 year old college kid) fair doesn't mean SAME. what is "fair" for you may not be "fair" for me. and, vice versa. don't look at this picture as having simply the outer appearance. you need to take into account all the strokes that make it up, otherwise, we get caught up in "well, if coach can leave player can leave" and it's not that simple. but, the media can play it like that so guess it's ok .... ??
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Post by knight9299 on Jan 2, 2008 11:23:34 GMT -6
do you want to sit out a year from playing in a game (still practice, still get benefits of team membership, still get education paid for) or pay $15-30,000? (and, you're a 20 year old college kid) fair doesn't mean SAME. what is "fair" for you may not be "fair" for me. and, vice versa. don't look at this picture as having simply the outer appearance. you need to take into account all the strokes that make it up, otherwise, we get caught up in "well, if coach can leave player can leave" and it's not that simple. but, the media can play it like that so guess it's ok .... ?? Isn't it that simple though? Coach was a big part of why player came to that college. His systems, his reputation, his accolades. I know you shouldn't pick a college based on who the coach is, but it happens. When the coach leaves, why not let some of his most recent recruits out? They went to that school because of him- if he's not there, those young men should have some options. If they truly love the college they can stay. If they were there because of the ol' ball coach, let them go without penalty.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 2, 2008 11:38:54 GMT -6
ok knight .. it's that simple
what if the kid picked that school because he's a WR and just fell in love with the WR coach who recruited him. That WR coach's contract expired after 1 season and leaves (retires, not retained, doesn't matter). WR can now go anywhere because the reason he picked that school is no longer there.
does anyone really think this "rule" is in place in regards to one single element ... and that it should be revised for one single element? you guys know more about college football than that
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 2, 2008 11:42:52 GMT -6
I would ask: Can I win here? Or is this place not the right spot for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 11:46:58 GMT -6
My question-- Would you have gone for 2 against Miami if you were Tom Osbourne?
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Post by jraybern on Jan 2, 2008 12:02:38 GMT -6
If a player wants to choose the school because of the coach, he should consider EVERYTHING involved with choosing that coach. A kid that picks a school because it has one of the big name coaches, he should consider the fact that that coach may not be there in 3 years. On the other hand, Mack Brown, Pete Carol those guys are going to be there more than likely. I would even put Urban Meyer in that group. The guys that have a great thing going at a traditional power probably aren't going anywhere. On the other hand, I would not go to Penn State counting on Jo Pa being there in 4 years. When you pick a school based on thinking that coach is going to be there there whole time, you take that gamble. All those kids were willing to take that gamble. They got their hearts broken. I'm not blaming them, it's not their fault. But they made the gamble and it didn't pay off. If kids would cinsider the whole package like take away the top reason or top two reasons I came here - would this still be a place I would want to be - and if the answer is no, don't go there.
I guess I'm just saying that those kids that thought RR would NEVER move on were being pretty short sighted. I know he probably promised them he wouldn't and its a shame honesty isn't a character trait that every person carries over from childhood.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 2, 2008 12:16:51 GMT -6
jraybern--with all do respect though, you are using logical thinking in a very illogical situation. The recruiting scene..is anything but, AND you have to realize that even the most stalwart and solid mentors and parents get LOONY during recruiting. (And as h.s. coaches, we know how lame parents are allready)
Also, just wanted to point out that in your list of coaches, you mentioned the cream of of the crop of schools. What about the 110 or so schools where the coaches WOULD leave to get a job at the other 9?
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Post by coachveer on Jan 2, 2008 12:22:03 GMT -6
What kind of system forces kids to stay at a certain school while the Coach that recruited them are allowed to lie their way to the top? this keeps the have-nots a little bit closer to the haves... because, all those kids that just weren't quite the caliber to play at UT, USC, OSU, end up at Troy, C. Mich, etc. well, 2 years later they got turn out to be superstar at troy ... so, UT swoops in with their big budget, big recruiting force, and somehow influences the kid to come win a championship, get on tv all the time and blam ... kid leaves troy to UT ... then, some 3rd team kid at UT - who was likely to have his scholly paid all 4 years is "cut" to make room. that is just one, small aspect of what would / could happen if it were "free agent" for everyone. this is not a simple issue so i do get saddened when media treat it as such and then it filters on down and, the contract coaches sign has some type of buyout or "consequences" to breaking said contract. but, if the coach can make do with that buyout after he resigns, he's moving on. players, too, can move on out of their "contract". their "buyout" is to sit out for a year Hey Huey, I think you have done hit the nail right square on the head. See the money can't be an issue cause all of the deep pocket boosters are covering the "buy out" costs. Make the HC sit out a year before they can coach again in the NCAA. Ok, I know it is just a dream.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 2, 2008 12:27:10 GMT -6
coach sit out a year .... double jeopardy
explain how that makes logical sense, again? seriously, why are we trying to further punish a coach when he has a written contract that says he can go if X amount of money is repaid?
what are we trying to "solve" here? would we be discussing this at all if it wasn't somehow a great debate topic on the radio?
really, do we know what we are fully dealing with here? i don't profess to know every little rule but understand that more is in play here than just coach leaves why can't player.....
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 2, 2008 12:33:49 GMT -6
plus ... how would jobs be filled again? miami fires their coach ... but, they can't hire any other coach because the other 118 are on contract with their schools already. so, they have to hire a coach from ... ? possibly an assistant who's contract is up at end of season? a coach from division 2? a high school coach? did that really help miami and their kids?
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 2, 2008 12:43:23 GMT -6
plus ... how would jobs be filled again? miami fires their coach ... but, they can't hire any other coach because the other 118 are on contract with their schools already. so, they have to hire a coach from ... ? possibly an assistant who's contract is up at end of season? a coach from division 2? a high school coach? did that really help miami and their kids? HEY! Perfect, now they would HAVE to dip into the high school ranks for coaches!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 2, 2008 13:06:14 GMT -6
I think the whole "can't believe these coaches leave" complaints come from the media..who like to stir up interest, the fans..who like to complain about everything (because as I have always said, coaching and officiating are the two professions that EVERYONE thinks they can do better than the ones that choose to do them) ... and surprisingly here on this site, H.S. coaches who seem to be almost envious and unaccepting of their coaching brethren.
I also find it humorous that many love to invoke "oh its for the kids" clause when discussing college football, yet those same many would gladly give up the great bounty (I think the Sugar Bowl gift basket was valued at around $800 per player) and situation the bowls give the "kids" to have them play in a gladiatorial "playoff" for the fans benefit.
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Post by biggroff on Jan 2, 2008 16:18:11 GMT -6
do you want to sit out a year from playing in a game (still practice, still get benefits of team membership, still get education paid for) or pay $15-30,000? (and, you're a 20 year old college kid) fair doesn't mean SAME. what is "fair" for you may not be "fair" for me. and, vice versa. don't look at this picture as having simply the outer appearance. you need to take into account all the strokes that make it up, otherwise, we get caught up in "well, if coach can leave player can leave" and it's not that simple. but, the media can play it like that so guess it's ok .... ??[/quote You make a good point about the athletes paying back $15,000-$30000 and that is why I think the NCAA SHOULD try to step in and punish coaches. When I gave my analogy I gave it to make the point that coaches get off the hook way too easliy. Coaches should have the same penalty as the kids...that is definitely fair...if you break a contract you sit a year. I am telling you this is going go get MUCH MUCH worse over the next 10 years.....and it will really screw up college football.
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