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Post by tentboy on Feb 6, 2008 19:27:01 GMT -6
Every time I go to the school in the off-season I get all the negative about the "football" players from teachers and administrators. Most of the story I hear about these kids surprises me, they all seem like pretty good kids to me and the other coaches. Do you all encounter the same problem? Is it just football players sticking out?
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Post by wildcat on Feb 6, 2008 19:35:57 GMT -6
Every time I go to the school in the off-season I get all the negative about the "football" players from teachers and administrators. Most of the story I hear about these kids surprises me, they all seem like pretty good kids to me and the other coaches. Do you all encounter the same problem? Is it just football players sticking out? Yeah...I get a lot of that. I work in a pretty big district and the teachers who really aren't into sports complain about athletes a lot. Some of it is legit, but most of it goes in one ear and out the other...
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 6, 2008 19:49:31 GMT -6
I think partially....the teachers want to complain about ALL the kids...and they have an outlet in that they can complain to a coach about a certain part.
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coachkaz
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Post by coachkaz on Feb 6, 2008 19:52:06 GMT -6
The high school is not that bad but the principal at the middle school has said and I quote, "...oh football, that sport that wastes all that money." Now that is a big shock to me because I am certain everyone on this board knows that football is the number one revenue generating sport per event if not total. But we are also the number one school state to offer sports to kids webpages.charter.net/mshsswim/best-in-state.htm . 33 sports I believe and I have read that we are somewhere in the tops of the nation to offer sports. But back to topic, it is difficult to try and talk to 8th graders about weight lifting and the season when certain administration people hate the sport. Off of your topic, how do you deal with kids that are blatantly disrespectful of coaches?
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Post by wildcat on Feb 6, 2008 19:58:53 GMT -6
Off of your topic, how do you deal with kids that are blatantly disrespectful of coaches? How do you deal with students who are disrespectful in your classroom?
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Shotgun1
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Post by Shotgun1 on Feb 6, 2008 20:37:42 GMT -6
Deal with it right away and pull the kid aside. It absolutely cannot happen.
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Post by wildcat on Feb 6, 2008 20:47:21 GMT -6
My point was that if you have a procedure for discipline in the classroom, you should be able to have a procedure for discipline on the practice field.
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Post by morris on Feb 6, 2008 21:02:54 GMT -6
Off of your topic, how do you deal with kids that are blatantly disrespectful of coaches? I assume you mean students that have a problem because you are the "football" coach. I run into this a little bit but I make it very clear that I am a teacher and that is what class/school time is for. It helps that I am an Art teacher and the way I act doe snot fit the mold of what people think of when it comes to coaches and "jocks" To the original post we do have an issue an dwe handle the students. It it the students leaving the program that are the hardest because they are done with us. Add that to being big people in school and age and it is just a bad combination at times. What I have an issue with is teachers expecting us to take care of their classroom problem because they can not handle the issue themselves with good classroom discipline
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 6, 2008 22:03:22 GMT -6
Most teachers approach us because we often have a relationship and influence over a kid that absolutely no one else on that campus does- and that is very often the case so why should any of us be surprised that some teachers reach out to us? Some don't always go about seeking that help in the best way but they are reaching out so I always do what I can to help.
I think the other thing you can do to counter act those negative folks is do so much good no one listens to those nay sayers. Our program participates in Habitat for humanity, we provide meals to several famlies over the holidays, we'll have a couple of relay for life teams to raise money for cancer research, as a program we do grade checks year around not just in season, I meet same day with every player grade 9-12 who fails to get to class on time or is sent out of class for any reason- teachers know our expecttions are high and they know we as a staff absolutely follow through on issues with our players so it's extremely rare we ever get any negative shots taken at us by staff or administration. I don't believe it's because no one would like to take shots at us but we've developed enough good will trying to do things right that they know their whine will fall on deaf ears.
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 7, 2008 6:16:26 GMT -6
Every time I go to the school in the off-season I get all the negative about the "football" players from teachers and administrators. Most of the story I hear about these kids surprises me, they all seem like pretty good kids to me and the other coaches. Do you all encounter the same problem? Is it just football players sticking out? Teachers who are coaches might handle things differently from those who dont bother to coach. In my experience there are teachers(and aids) that INTENTIONALLY press kids buttons and deliberately set them off with ignorant comments etc. There are other teachers, often coaches, who handle the "athletic personality types" a bit more successfully. I am not sure why it happens but it does seem that some folks dont want to bother with the kids, discipline, structure etc and would rather put it off on the kids coach. (especially after they tear a kid down) I think it is the responsibilty of the coach to work with the faculty in every way to make sure the boy/girl gets a great education however it would be nice if some teachers just left the kids alone at times. We constantly talk about respecting teachers and authority but wow, when the teachers and authority are down right abusive and hostile to the kid???...what confusion that must cause a child. I have seen two or three weeks of "progress" blown up in a few seconds by some adult who is having a bad day and wants to dump on a kid. NOw, just to be clear, this is the exception and not the norm but I can pretty much tell you before it happens which teachers will usually be the ones with the issues. I respect the greater majority of educational professionals but I do know that there are always a few button pushers. Guess what, I think some coaching staffs have a few button pushers on staff as well. they create far more conflict than they resolve.
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Post by ramsoc on Feb 16, 2008 0:27:20 GMT -6
Off of your topic, how do you deal with kids that are blatantly disrespectful of coaches? How do you deal with students who are disrespectful in your classroom? What if you're not a teacher?
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Post by PSS on Feb 16, 2008 7:34:59 GMT -6
The high school is not that bad but the principal at the middle school has said and I quote, "...oh football, that sport that wastes all that money." Now that is a big shock to me because I am certain everyone on this board knows that football is the number one revenue generating sport per event if not total. But we are also the number one school state to offer sports to kids webpages.charter.net/mshsswim/best-in-state.htm . 33 sports I believe and I have read that we are somewhere in the tops of the nation to offer sports. But back to topic, it is difficult to try and talk to 8th graders about weight lifting and the season when certain administration people hate the sport. Off of your topic, how do you deal with kids that are blatantly disrespectful of coaches? Back to your first topic. Win that principal over by having your student athletes tow the line in the classroom, in the hall ways, basically all over campus. When he doesn't have to deal with them as a discipline problem, and they are passing there classes, then you have shown the value of your program! Now kids that are disrespectful to coaches. Handle it the same as if they were disrespectful to a teacher. IMO, football is a privilege, not a right. If you work and work to correct a kids behavior and it still doesn't change, then it may be time to move on without him. I've done this before, thrown a kid out of football for a semester. Makes them really miss it if they like it. If they come back they owe makeup.
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