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Post by wingt74 on Sept 19, 2007 11:05:24 GMT -6
Story out of SE Wisconsin as seen on JSONLINE.com.
Little more info. 0-0 game. two undefeated teams...late in the 3rd. New Berlin runs a counter goes for about 20 yards, there was a late hit out of bounds that should have gotten flagged.
So you can kind of get the idea regarding the emotions that were flaring here. The opposing player got up fast, turned around, was suddenly face to face with a coach, and made the "headbutt" motion. Coach responded by pushing the player away...(put him on the ground, but it was not that hard of a push...I think he caught the kid off balance)
Tough situation...
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Post by coachkeppy on Sept 19, 2007 11:30:39 GMT -6
Here's the link: www.620wtmj.com/news/local/9850757.htmlIf you watch the full report, they show the whole video, if you just watch the video, they just show the shove by the coach. I think it's garbage. A coach has the right to defend himself if a player attacks him. |
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Post by ajreaper on Sept 19, 2007 11:48:48 GMT -6
And what about the player? He's not completely innocent in this situation.And what's up with filing a police report?
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Post by coachmoore42 on Sept 19, 2007 15:00:38 GMT -6
That kid (#7) took a direct shot at the coach. He could have easily broken his nose or given him a concussion. If the kid and his family want to go that route, I'd be counter-suing for the kid attacking the coach.
It's one thing to say a coach has to "set the example", it's a whole other thing for a coach to take something like that and not have a knee-jerk reaction to defend himself.
Bottom line, he was attacked by the kid and defended himself.
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Post by ajreaper on Sept 19, 2007 15:16:11 GMT -6
LOL, and a helmet to the face could do a ton of damage- hell it could even be considered a deadly weapon. I'd have thought twice about filing charges. And if it's on film they are screwed.
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Post by eickst on Sept 19, 2007 15:18:46 GMT -6
That player is lucky he isn't in a lot of trouble. My thoughts are had the coach been able to restrain himself (I would not have been able to) that the player would be in a lot of trouble. But since the kid was pushed down, no one thinks to look at the reasons surrounding it, they only see an *innocent* kids getting pushed. Same thing happens when the police are video taped beating someone down. Out here in SoCal they had a cop lose his job over slamming some guys head into a car hood, video showed him doing it right as rain. What they didn't show was the part where the criminal had a pretty good hold of the officer's family jewels and you could clearly see the cop mouth the words "let go" when he slammed the guy into the car.
I hope the player gets reprimanded and suspended as well. What a total load of BS.
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Post by airraider on Sept 19, 2007 18:52:46 GMT -6
I can tell a deliberate shot when I see one, and that was a shoulder lunge for sure.
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Post by burtledog on Sept 19, 2007 20:11:32 GMT -6
The complaint is more of the mommification of America. If the dad saw this film, he would be ashamed and have his son offer an apology. The kid made the head lunge and wouldn't have fallen but he for being off balanced (result of head lunge). If the coach gets reprimanded he has a basis for a review with his school and I hate to say, a counter suit.
I hope he is cleared and simply puts the story right....Dad owes the guy an apology.
Greg
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Post by coachcoyote on Sept 19, 2007 21:46:03 GMT -6
Head butt me with your head, I'll laugh at you because you'll get the bad end of the deal. Head butt me with your helmet, and I'll laugh at you as I lay you out.
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Post by ajreaper on Sept 19, 2007 22:00:41 GMT -6
My opinion that was clearly an intential attempt to hit that coach- no if ands or but's (no pun intended)
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Post by pantherpride91 on Sept 20, 2007 5:54:37 GMT -6
Head butt me with your head, I'll laugh at you because you'll get the bad end of the deal. Head butt me with your helmet, and I'll laugh at you as I lay you out. Exactly....What kind of reaction are they expecting from this coach? I think this was the softest way he could of reacted the situation...With emotions high and the kid taking an obvious lunge at him the coach could have easily been much different with his reaction |
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Post by wingt74 on Sept 20, 2007 6:13:46 GMT -6
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Post by ajreaper on Sept 20, 2007 8:11:51 GMT -6
WOW, sometimes common sense does prevail! Someone check the temp in Hell- they may be ice skating as we speak.
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Post by coachkeppy on Sept 20, 2007 9:10:12 GMT -6
No, the father actually called into a loacal radio station early this week to defend his son and talked about filing charges. All the sports radio in town is talking about it, and the father has since withdrawn the charges. But nothing has happened to the kid yet. |
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Post by knighter on Sept 20, 2007 11:12:01 GMT -6
You tube has the whole video....100% certain this kid moved aggressively toward the coach....not sure the coach should have pushed him down, perhaps a chokeslam would have been more appropriate.
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Post by groundchuck on Sept 20, 2007 11:36:05 GMT -6
I hope the judge throws this thing out and the HC charges the ass-hole kid with assult. That is intentional by the kid.
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Post by wingt74 on Sept 21, 2007 6:13:51 GMT -6
Ooo, this just keeps getting better. www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=665304My favorite part "While it is indisputable that contact between player and coach occurred, it is our belief that the player's actions were unintentional and accidental," Sternke said in the statement. "Regardless of intent, our student/athlete will be issuing an apology to coach Grochowski. Once completed, we consider this issue closed." Oh c'mon. "Yeah...he didn't MEAN to headbutt the coach, but, he should apologize anyway. |
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Post by ajreaper on Sept 21, 2007 12:56:23 GMT -6
As I recall from the video it seems the player turns and briefly pauses before launching the head butt- the pause says I saw him and I had a brief moment to contemplate my next move.
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Post by trojan on Sept 23, 2007 7:31:27 GMT -6
I know that when a school is involved, it does not matter that you didn't start it, but that you reacted. The coach is still suspended. This disappoints me. Most of us have enough experience with school administrators that this is expected, but still a shame.
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Post by oguru on Sept 23, 2007 12:27:06 GMT -6
Their was a flag for the late hit. The player is getting off scotch free while the coach is admitting that he did something wrong and is serving a suspension. So based on what the Pewaukee is doing to the player. IT IS KNOW OKAY TO HEAD BUTT COACHES.
NOT
We all know it's wrong however the coach at Pewaukee says it's okay, because he is not suspendeding the player.
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Post by groundchuck on Sept 23, 2007 14:55:09 GMT -6
Still waiting for the HC to charge the player with assult. The turn and pause on the video would be enough to convince me as a juror that there was an intent to assult and this is not just an accident. If his head was down or looking the other way and he hit him that would be an accident. This clearly was not. As much as I hate to say it the school is probably correct in suspending the coach. Though I think 1 game would send the message. The coach from the other school should suspend his player, or the WIAA should step in on this one and do it for them.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 23, 2007 16:27:32 GMT -6
Wow...... If I were that kids coach; he'd be running until he friggin died the next practice!!!! He went after that coach; you can see it very clearly in the video tape. The lawsuite isn't going to get anywhere and I'm willing to bet the 2 game suspension doesn't stand.
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Post by burtledog on Sept 24, 2007 14:38:55 GMT -6
If you were this kids coach, would you want him? It seems he is like an animal that is no longer afraid or respectful of humans. If he doesn't see the difference between the guy in the baseball cap and the hard hat, who says he will treat his coaches with proper respect. Crush him of cut him.
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Dad saw the video and was like, ahhhh...WAIIIIT a minute son. Now, HOW did this go down?
