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Post by bulldogoption on Mar 10, 2008 14:07:51 GMT -6
Anybody know the history behind some of the odd terms we use for things. For example, where did terms like Belly, China, Cowboy motion, Buck sweep come from.......
Creator and reason for picking the term if you have it.
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 10, 2008 14:58:18 GMT -6
Cowboy came from University of Wyoming... Don't know many of the others
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Post by wingtol on Mar 10, 2008 16:30:56 GMT -6
The only one I know of for sure, for wing-t guys out there is the Sally play. They named it after some hot chick that was working at Deleware.
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Post by airraider on Mar 10, 2008 16:36:43 GMT -6
The only one I know of for sure, for wing-t guys out there is the Sally play. They named it after some hot chick that was working at Deleware. ACTUALLY.. she did not work at Delaware.. she was a famous fan dancer that often times wore a skin colored body suit.. this made here appear to be nude, but she really wasnt. The story says they named the play sally because it made you think you were getting more than you really were.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 10, 2008 16:51:13 GMT -6
The only one I know of for sure, for wing-t guys out there is the Sally play. They named it after some hot chick that was working at Deleware. ACTUALLY.. she did not work at Delaware.. she was a famous fan dancer that often times wore a skin colored body suit.. this made here appear to be nude, but she really wasnt. The story says they named the play sally because it made you think you were getting more than you really were. My mistake I knew it involved a hot chick somewhere LOL
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Post by catoc on Mar 10, 2008 21:52:43 GMT -6
Sally Rand.
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Post by tedseay on Mar 11, 2008 4:40:03 GMT -6
Anybody know the history behind some of the odd terms we use for things. For example, where did terms like Belly, China, Cowboy motion, Buck sweep come from....... Creator and reason for picking the term if you have it. That's a real mixed bag of terms, some recent, some from the turn of the 20th century -- but that's football. Belly: Both the original Inside Belly series, invented by Coach Larry Siemering at the College of the Pacific in 1947, and the later Outside Belly series (know known simply as the Wing-T Belly series) place the ball in the fullback's belly before handing it to him or having the QB "ride" the ball in the FB's gut before pulling it out. (Question: Do "Gut" plays refer to the part of the defense being attacked, or to the mechanics of the play itself, as "Belly" does?) China: No idea. Cowboy: Answered above. However, other uses of the term (to describe cornerbacks playing on the same side of the defense against Twins receivers, or the hand-held controller for a film projector) derive from the Dallas NFL franchise rather than the University of Wyoming. Buck: One of my favorite terms in football. From the very earliest days of the game, and certainly before the rules changes in 1906 which established the foundations of modern football, a "line buck" was a play directed at the middle of the defense, where the back "bucked" straight ahead. Dictionary definitions may help explain the origins of the term: To force a way through or proceed against (an obstacle): The plane bucked a strong headwind.
To strike with the head; butt.
To resist or oppose obstinately; object strongly to.
Football: (Of a ball-carrier) to charge into (the opponent's line). The Single Wing featured a deceptive series called the Buck Lateral which started with the fullback taking a direct snap and plunging toward the line; if he kept the ball the play was called a Buck; if he handed off to a pivoting blocking back, who then tossed it out wide to the tailback, it was a Lateral. A similar series was developed very early on by Wing-T innovators Dave Nelson and Forest Evashevski, who both played in the University of Michigan Single Wing, which featured the Buck Lateral series. Their Buck Sweep series also featured a pivoting ball-handler (the quarterback, which is also how many single wing teams referred to their blocking back) and a fake or exchange with a "bucking" fullback. Just don't get me started on how terms get mangled over the years -- my favorite example is the "shovel" pass, which many coaches call the "shuffle" or even "shuttle" pass...
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Post by morris on Mar 11, 2008 5:06:50 GMT -6
China I believe came from UCLA in the 60s but I am not 100% sure.
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Post by dubber on Mar 11, 2008 13:47:22 GMT -6
What's the over/under on the time it takes Brophy to come up with his definitions?
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Post by poweriguy on Mar 12, 2008 12:31:45 GMT -6
One time in defensive practice, I used the term "cross buck". I got nothing but blank stares.
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Post by coachwoodall on Mar 12, 2008 13:16:39 GMT -6
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Post by hawkfan on Mar 12, 2008 13:25:51 GMT -6
No offense to educators in any of the fields mentioned, but I found these definitions humorous:
100% - effort level demanded by coaches who majored in math or science
110% - effort level demanded by coaches who majored in physical education
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Post by knight9299 on Mar 12, 2008 13:57:48 GMT -6
interesting site with some different ideas about the sport. [url=http://www.johntreed.com/fbdictionary.html [/url] [/quote] Great link. He sure does shred the use of the word eagle: After looking it up in several books, I have a sense that the Eagle defense generally has something to do with shifting the defensive tackle or end outside the weak tackle or tight end and putting a linebacker over or on the weak tackle or tight end. Until the football coaching world gets more precise and consistent, the word “eagle” should be dropped.He also said a coach used eagle as a verb, which confused him. I'm no ol' ball coach, but I know to 'EAGLE' means to reduce down. Most commonly used with 50 front defenses. Now all you ol' ball coaches can call BS on that.
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Post by tedseay on Mar 12, 2008 15:40:47 GMT -6
interesting site with some different ideas about the sport. [url=http://www.johntreed.com/fbdictionary.html [/url] [/quote] Great link. He sure does shred the use of the word eagle: After looking it up in several books, I have a sense that the Eagle defense generally has something to do with shifting the defensive tackle or end outside the weak tackle or tight end and putting a linebacker over or on the weak tackle or tight end. Until the football coaching world gets more precise and consistent, the word “eagle” should be dropped.He also said a coach used eagle as a verb, which confused him. I'm no ol' ball coach, but I know to 'EAGLE' means to reduce down. Most commonly used with 50 front defenses. Now all you ol' ball coaches can call BS on that. [/quote] Reed is an idiot. "Eagle" the verb comes from Greasy Neale's late-40's defense with the (surprise!) Philadelphia Eagles. Neale was the first to move his tackles into 4i techniques and his LB's out to 60 techs over the TE's. Now anyone who brings the DT inside, as when reducing the weak side of a 50 front, is said to Eagle that part of the front. I repeat, Reed is an idiot. A Harvard-educated idiot at that. As the saying goes, "you can tell a Harvard man -- but you can't tell him much."
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Post by kcbazooka on Mar 13, 2008 6:08:21 GMT -6
HOw about the 46 defense -- guarantee most coaches don't know why it was called that originally...
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Post by NC1974 on Mar 13, 2008 6:26:01 GMT -6
Bears' Doug Plank wore number 46. I know that's the origin. Not sure what made him so special that his jersey number was honored with the distinction.
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Post by fbdoc on Mar 13, 2008 6:46:46 GMT -6
Also goes along with that great parent question, "How does that 4-6 defense work with only 10 players?"
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Post by justwingit on Mar 13, 2008 7:45:37 GMT -6
Exactly! and why use 6 linebackers!
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Post by satch on Mar 13, 2008 9:23:19 GMT -6
How about the hook and lateral?
not ladder.
Named, I'm just guessing, after the fact the the 1st guy ran a hook and then lateraled to a trailer.
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Post by spartancoach on Mar 13, 2008 13:03:13 GMT -6
The "46 defense" is really like a 5-2 with the DTs "eagled", and the SS (Plank #46) up at LB depth.
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Post by burtledog on Mar 13, 2008 13:47:34 GMT -6
Whoa. I thought the key was a 4-3 base with a DT on the Center, and the other DT in a 4I and Plank playing like a backer or 60's roverback. It is a 4-3 adaptation isn't it? Greg
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Post by tedseay on Mar 13, 2008 14:07:06 GMT -6
How about the hook and lateral? not ladder. Named, I'm just guessing, after the fact the the 1st guy ran a hook and then lateraled to a trailer. The play you are describing is often called "hook & ladder" after the fire department equipment -- probably just because it sounds so much like "hook & lateral."
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Post by mahonz on Mar 13, 2008 14:44:15 GMT -6
Reed is an idiot. Thank you Ted. Last time I said that Derick was on me for a solid month. Coach Mike
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Post by dubber on Mar 13, 2008 16:08:45 GMT -6
Reed is an idiot. Thank you Ted. Last time I said that Derick was on me for a solid month. Coach Mike thanks for that image Steve, That is unequivocally the funniest thing you have ever said.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Mar 13, 2008 21:14:18 GMT -6
How about the hook and lateral? not ladder. Named, I'm just guessing, after the fact the the 1st guy ran a hook and then lateraled to a trailer. That one gets me into an argument everytime it comes up. Lateral makes complete sense. Why would it ever have been called ladder?
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Post by tedseay on Mar 14, 2008 4:55:30 GMT -6
That one gets me into an argument everytime it comes up. Lateral makes complete sense. Why would it ever have been called ladder? "Hook & lateral" is a description; "hook & ladder" is a name, a nickname if you like, for the play. Such names are as old as the game itself. Why in heaven's name did Detroit Lions coach Potsy Clark call a fake jump pass/lateral from single wing the "Rat play"? That's what this whole thread is about -- unraveling some of the crazy etymology of this great game of ours.
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Post by morris on Mar 14, 2008 5:27:34 GMT -6
Whoa. I thought the key was a 4-3 base with a DT on the Center, and the other DT in a 4I and Plank playing like a backer or 60's roverback. It is a 4-3 adaptation isn't it? Greg Yes it is an adapted 4-3. The DT are moved into a position to help keep the OL off of the LBers. The DT are taught to do a number of tech to prevent the OL from getting to the 2nd level. The secondary most often runs read/recog. tech on the pass rotues. The Lbers sometime look a little strange because of how they are placed and with the addition of the SS walked down at LBer depth. It is fairly common around here to hear teams run the "humming bird" punt fake which is a version of the of the direction snap to the up back. I would be also interested to know where the terms dig and smash comes from.
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Post by satch on Mar 14, 2008 7:38:12 GMT -6
The statue of Liberty? The Flea flicker?
The " their holding us every" play
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Post by tedseay on Mar 14, 2008 9:23:22 GMT -6
The statue of Liberty? The Flea flicker? The " their holding us every" play Coach: Statue of Liberty is named for the motion the QB makes to hold the ball up as though he's passing, resembling Lady Liberty holding her torch aloft, before a back comes along and grabs it out of his hand. Boise State's version doesn't really meet that definition, but was pretty cool anyway. Flea flicker -- SI.com to the rescue: How did football's flea-flicker get its name?
Answer: In a flea-flicker, the quarterback typically hands off or laterals to a running back, who after running several steps turns around and laterals back to the quarterback, who then heaves the ball downfield to a (hopefully) open receiver. The play and its name are both credited to legendary University of Illinois coach Bob Zuppke, who intended the phrase to evoke the quick, flicking action of a dog getting rid of fleas. (We got that from the 1967 book Football Lingo, co-authored by none other than SI.com's own Dr. Z, so you know it's right.) Zuppke wrote in a 1951 letter that he introduced the flea-flicker while coaching at Oak Park High in 1910 before he arrived in Champaign, though his description ("a short forward pass ending in a lateral, with interference for the ballcarrier") sounds more like a hook-and-ladder or hook-and-lateral. The prevailing modern version of the flea-flicker might actually be closer to another Zuppke innovation involving a "multiplicity of passes" that he dubbed the "flying trapeze." I'd ask Dr. Z myself, but frankly, the man terrifies me. sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/pete_mcentegart/10/27/ten.spot/index.html
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Post by burtledog on Mar 14, 2008 12:29:32 GMT -6
Thank you. I thought my super fan status was flushing! Greg
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