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Post by coach2117 on Apr 7, 2008 20:11:47 GMT -6
looking for general answers......Can anyone explain to me the philosophy of the spread offense? ( Rodriguez in particular)
My thanks in advance.
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Post by tog on Apr 7, 2008 20:21:22 GMT -6
to me it is
get those athletes on the defensive side of the ball to have to run farther after mistepping with false reads
for a compacted offense up against a superior defense-the superior athletes can make a lot of false steps/keys/reads and still be just athlete enough to recover and chase it down
spread that stuff out
give some of the same or even faster (jet) misdirection keys and then let your offensive guys have more time to get north and south while the speedier defensive dudes have more ground to cover on the misreads etc
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 7, 2008 20:21:33 GMT -6
I'm glad you at least made a reference to Rodriguez's style, because it's a pet peeve of mine when people refer to the "Spread" as an offensive system. It's just a general term. It does not mean an offense that runs zone read out of the gun. You can be a spread team and pass every down. You can be a spread team and be a power running team from under center using "I" spread formations. You could even run the navy's flexbone and be considered a spread team.
But to give you a little help with your question...My short answer is soley based on what I know from seeing his teams play and reading his material. I do not know what his personal philosophy is, but I would say that his offense is a ball control style of offense that takes what the defense gives him. They like to attack the defense from all over with a lot of speed and finess but can come at you with power when needed. He also expects his teams to be in the best physical condition they possibly can. They will rarely be out-conditioned by their opponent.
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Post by NC1974 on Apr 7, 2008 20:38:31 GMT -6
As I understand it:
1. Spread the defense - make them take guys out of the box to open up the run
2. If they leave a receiver uncovered, throw bubble or some equivalent.
3. 6 or less in the box=even numbers to run the ball(counting qb as a blocker, holding the backside end with the read)
4. If they commit to stopping the run, should open up some things in the passing game
5. Helps to have a QB who can run so even with i back you have two running threats.
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Post by leighty on Apr 8, 2008 2:10:26 GMT -6
Spread 'em out. Take what the defense gives you.
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 8, 2008 3:35:43 GMT -6
As I understand it: 1. Spread the defense - make them take guys out of the box to open up the run 2. If they leave a receiver uncovered, throw bubble or some equivalent. 3. 6 or less in the box=even numbers to run the ball(counting qb as a blocker, holding the backside end with the read) 4. If they commit to stopping the run, should open up some things in the passing game 5. Helps to have a QB who can run so even with i back you have two running threats. Like was stated, the Oregon version is different from the WVU version, and the Florida version is still different. Every version of the "spread" is or should be designe to fit personnel. It's a numbers game. By design it forces the defense to account for the QB on every play as if he was not only a passer, but a runner, receiver, or blocker. Thus the play action and misread off the QB alone. Off the option it puts the mesh deeper in the backfield reading the DE, and makes the QB the run threat off the option. Think about running I form running plays against an 8 man front, but direct snapping to the TB/IB, and having an extra blocker. That evens the odds against the 8 man front. Think about the Ark. or FL plays where McFadden or Tebow take the snap out of the gun and start straight down hill off C or G like a TB while using a lead blocker. Then watch some film that shows them using the QB in a "false step" play action off that same run action. Plus by the time the backfield flow is started, the ball is in the hands of the runner/passer...that creates a step advantage for the offense. Same on Zone blocking plays from a one back set. 8 men in the box now is no longer a numbers advantage for the D, but they can't commit 9. Passing game same...it puts speedy WR out in space one on one with blocking help on short stuff and screens, and one on one down field. If double cover or deep help shows then that means the box is left a man shy and audible to run. It's predicated on forcing the defense to either work undermanned in one aspect or the other, or declare what it's willing to give early. |
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Post by gunrun on Apr 8, 2008 12:05:20 GMT -6
Force defenders to make tackles out in space.
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Post by struceri on Apr 9, 2008 9:46:26 GMT -6
get your best athletes the ball one on one in space.
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Post by dubber on Apr 9, 2008 10:04:43 GMT -6
I think it reduces what a defense can "do".
If you throw uncovered, only have a 5 man surface (a phrase I stole shamelessly from tog), etc.....the defense has a harder time disguising what they will be doing.
Versus a Pro-I team, a stud SS can hedge his bets, and play closer to the LOS for the run and still get into his deep 1/2 or whatever. The compactedness of the formation allows him to get into that gray area.
Spread, imo, makes defenders declare where they are, and where they are going.
This gives a better view to the playcaller, which leads to better play calls.
For me personally, it turns the game into a simple math equation.
I want to run the ball, count the box.
I want to throw, get into trips see who goes where.
For some guys, it is easier to see where to attack.......not that other offenses don't have their place, it is just the way some can "see" the game.
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Post by coachnichols on Apr 9, 2008 11:05:31 GMT -6
As I understand it: 1. Spread the defense - make them take guys out of the box to open up the run 2. If they leave a receiver uncovered, throw bubble or some equivalent. 3. 6 or less in the box=even numbers to run the ball(counting qb as a blocker, holding the backside end with the read) 4. If they commit to stopping the run, should open up some things in the passing game 5. Helps to have a QB who can run so even with i back you have two running threats. I think this is a great answer!! Spread 'em out, be able to take advantage of what the defense is giving you whether it be by alignment or scheme, evaluate the numbers in the box, and utilize the athletes you have OR try to help the kids you have who are not as good as your opponent's players. |
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 10, 2008 11:28:06 GMT -6
From the mouths of both Rich Rodriquez and Tony Franklin "It forces the defense to defend the entire width of the field on every play."
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Post by unc31 on Apr 13, 2008 11:22:20 GMT -6
In a shotgun spread offense in which the QB is a runner as well as the TB, you have a numbers advantage on all plays as opposed to under center spread or shotgun spread in which the QB is not a runner. Draw up any spread set and defend it with any defense. Draw a line down the middle and see how many players you have on each side as opposed to how many players the defense has. If the QB is not a runner, but rather a handoff guy, you are automatically a player or 1/2 player short on each side. If both the QB and TB are runners you generally can gain a 1/2 man advantage to either side. Of course the X factor is pullers, etc. But generally speaking, the defense will have a numbers advantage if the QB is not a running threat.
To put it very simple terms......you are forcing the defense to defend one-back formations but they still have 2 backs to run the ball.
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