SetHut
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Post by SetHut on Jul 9, 2007 14:00:27 GMT -6
I just finished summer coaching sessions at a new school/job for me. Most of the QB's had very poor mechanics. The sr/returning starter's mechanics weren't bad. But I have four other guys--a jr. who played jv last year--a soph. who hasn't played since MS but has the most potential--and two freshmen. The jr. & soph. didn't respond very well to instruction on the proper way to use the non-throwing arm to get proper rotation of the shoulder. I verbally explained what I wanted and demonstrated the proper action. Then they threw in the same manner they had previously as if they hadn't heard a word I said. I explained the relationship of proper mechanics with accuracy. Since I am new to them and it wasn't a pre-season practice session like it will be in August, I didn't want to "light 'em up" but I do want them to know that I expect better results in the future. How do you get through to hard-heads like these without having them resent you?
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Post by phantom on Jul 9, 2007 14:12:23 GMT -6
First of all, if making them accept coaching makes them resent you, oh well. Video them throwing the ball and critique them as a group. Praise them when they do it right and use a teaching tone when showing them that they're doing it wrong. Remember that they're young kids and developing technique takes time and patience.
Now, if one of them says something or demonstrates an attitude that they don't CARE about doing it right, by all means light him up.
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Post by khalfie on Jul 9, 2007 14:13:36 GMT -6
Patience young grasshopper... patience... Rome wasn't built in a day... And Detroit just started making Toyota's... Knowing what to do is the easy part... getting them to do it... well that's coaching! And being that I'm still a bad coach, I'll give you some bad advice, another bad coach gave me... "become the broken record, say it so many times that they hear it in their sleep, say it with a smile, don't allow it to steal your passion, and then one day, right after the end of double sessions... jump down their craw about how you've said the same thing for past 8 weeks and they have yet to do this one simple thing right!" When that doesn't work... put your smile back on, and become the broken record.
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Post by tothehouse on Jul 9, 2007 14:14:46 GMT -6
Coach,
I would be hard on them to an extent. "This is the way we do it here". Demand the way you want it done. Give consequences. Talk to them all about competition and concentration. Make them do it.
We have a kid helping us coach in the summer. He graduated two years ago. He is running our offense, basically, while our HC works summer camps etc. We had a leadership breakfast this morning and players speak when asked questions by our HC. Getting to why this relates....
Our QB was asked about positive leadership....etc. and what he is looking for from the offense for camp this upcoming weekend. He says, "I'm looking for some of the same things Coach Cartan is looking for.........................."
COACH CARTAN IS 20 YEARS OLD. COACH CARTAN DEMANDS PERFECTION. He is not "Cartan" or the QB's buddy (I'm not implying that you are doing this with your team). He is flat out coaching these kids and getting them going the right way. For our QB, who was a freshman when Coach Cartan was a senior, to call him "Coach" is huge because he has already built that respect level up where the players listen and RESPOND!!!
Hope that helps.
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Post by wingman on Jul 9, 2007 14:48:33 GMT -6
I agree with the above but you will find guys who can only do things one way even when they listen. Then you put them in a spot where they can get away with it. We had a DT who was a good kid but didn't know which way to go half the time. The other DT told him which way to go and where to line up. HOWEVER, once the ball was snapped he tore people up. He now starts at UTAH. He would listen but it never got absorbed. We have another guy like him now. I don't know how you'd play a guy like this on offense. Point is I guess some guys do it wrong but always get the job done.
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Post by cc on Jul 9, 2007 17:39:30 GMT -6
Coaching QB's is tricky...they may take the longest to improve as they have such ingrained habits and when they try something new that you tell them it is often uncomfortable for them and they make not like it if it does not help the succeed right away.
With some kids it may take a bit longer for them to earn your trust. Film never lies so that is a good point. Also pointing out why their throw was off (the mechanics you have been working with them on) and why their throw was on (the mechanics you have been working with them on) to reinforce your coaching points should eventually get it to sink in.
Some kids will be very coachable in QB drills but then revert back to their bad habits in game situations. So you feel great about this kid in drills but then you wonder what happened in scrimmages.
Anyways, the kids should appreciate that you are there to help them and if your advice does help them they will come around... if not then the other kids will slowly move up the depth chart as they get better while those kids who are not coachable drop down...
That is one of the best ways for them to learn their S#$t don't stink, video and performance evaluation...
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Post by wildcat on Jul 9, 2007 18:05:01 GMT -6
Always tough coming into a new school, especially when you will be coaching upperclassmen.
The key is just keep showing up every day...don't let the kids drive you away. Heck, they are probably testing you to a certain extent. Chances are good that if you keep showing up and working with these kids, you will eventually build a rapport with them and they will be more willing to accept instruction from you. But right now, those kids are probably thinking, "Who the heck does this guy think he is?" Give it time and let those kids get to know you and show them that you have their best interests at heart.
Here's some words of wisdom (I think Frosty Westering?) that are really applicable here:
"Kids don't care what you know until they know that you care".
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Post by ajreaper on Jul 9, 2007 19:30:19 GMT -6
Video is a great teaching tool- sometimes they really believe they are doing eactly what you are asking/demonstrating. If you have a program that allows split screen side by side comparisons it's really helpful- one side them the other the skill being performed in the manner you'd like.
And as Bill Wiliams says "You are either coaching it or allowing it" Don't allow them to do it wrong because you prefer not to make waves or upset them.
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Post by dsqa on Jul 9, 2007 21:09:08 GMT -6
Coach, Can I ask what you specifically saw them doing wrong, and what you were trying to get them to do? If you can describe what you see them doing wrong, I can give you some drills that will help them feel what you are looking for. If they can't feel, and see, the difference, they won't change. It really isn't intended to be disrespectful, they just can't feel the separation between what you are describing and what they are doing wrong. We have to drive the wedge of feeling the difference one rep at a time. The key is getting them to believe in the need for change first by what you have said to them, and then identifying a drill or two that might get the process rolling. I have some that will do the trick, but it would help to know what you are seeing so I can help you get them started. Or, if you post some video here, I can suggest something that can help crack the code for them. Keep believing the best, it just may take a few more steps to get them to feel what they are doing. If you want my help, I am glad to assist. If this is too forward, I apologize and no worries if you have a direction you would rather go. Just an offer. Coach Darin Slack www.quarterbackacademy.com
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 9, 2007 21:23:45 GMT -6
Coach, Can I ask what you specifically saw them doing wrong, and what you were trying to get them to do? . . . Keep believing the best, it just may take a few more steps to get them to feel what they are doing. If you want my help, I am glad to assist. If this is too forward, I apologize and no worries if you have a direction you would rather go. Just an offer. Coach Darin Slack www.quarterbackacademy.comCan't go wrong by listening to Coach Slack. I trust his viewpoints and insights totally .. as do many, many others.
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 10, 2007 13:45:54 GMT -6
I verbally explained what I wanted and demonstrated the proper action
This isn't a slam or smart ass comment, but did you go into "why" you want it done a certain way, and explain the benefits of doing it your way? I'm just asking because in my experience, QB's tend to require more time and more in depth conversations to explain things, particuliarly mechanics. I also would emphasis not to under estimate the "trust" issue between you and your new QB's. It might take some time for them to develop trust in what your saying. Until you develop this "trust", there will be in an internal conflict between you and their previous staff's way of doing things. I've experienced this and sometimes it's a process to work through. When you do get their interest, their attention, their belief in your system and your way of doing things, then they will listen to every word you say. Also, I think QB's require a different approach than other positions. I will never "light a QB up" for mechanical or decision making mistakes. The only time I will do this is when it involves hustle or attitude. We address in our QB handout the details of what we look for and expect from the QB position and constantly refer to in our every day teachings. When there is an issue in mechanics or decision making, we will discuss it in technical terms of "how and why" and then get it fixed. Being able to "discuss" things with the QB takes time in that they must understand the mechanics and decision making process and be mature enough to "coach" themselves. Self analysis at the QB position is important, they must learn to be accountable and critical of their own performance. One of the very best things I've learned to do with QB's is to have them explain things to me, how and why we do things, STEP BY STEP in detail. As they progress, these conversations become written test's and whiteboard sessions. I think through this knowledge, they become confident leaders and decision makers. Hope that there is something here that helps you connect with your QB's. Good luck.
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coachaldridge
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Post by coachaldridge on Jul 11, 2007 13:02:48 GMT -6
1.) Coach Darin Slack (dsqa) 2.) Video (side and front) 3.) Verbal and explain why. 4.)Demonstrate 5.) Stand behind and move their body as you want it to move 6.) Go to the practice field, do all this, and then by them pizza and ask what else they or going to do that day (to build relationship and trust) 7.) Do it all over again for a lot of days! Now you know that you have tried everything you can to hit all learing styles. I coached quarterbacks last year (OL guy by trade) and man those guys are a little hard to get to. We did improve by saying it over and over and repping it over and over.
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