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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 19, 2007 9:16:09 GMT -6
Now I know that doesn't sound like a big deal, but...
I contacted Coach Tim Horton at Arkansas about some possible Triple Option/Flexbone material he may be able to provide me from his days at Air Force. He said he had a few videos around that he could send me...great.
In the mail today were 3 videos. All in their shrink wrap, brand new. 2 are Championship Production tapes and 1 is a DVD.
Super guy! This will help out a ton!
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Post by realdawg on Nov 19, 2007 9:36:46 GMT -6
Coach Horton was at App State when I was there. I ran into him after graduation at a Glazier Clinic and he spent alot of time with me that evening. He truly is a very fine man and a good coach.
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 19, 2007 9:41:17 GMT -6
That's says something when they extend what is essentially a professional courtesy to help out a fellow coach- it also says something when they fail to even respond to an e-mail or return a phone call.
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Post by gmccown on Nov 19, 2007 21:04:34 GMT -6
That does speak highly. I know of a college coach in the south central US (no names) who once responded to the email of a young coaches father with a quote of $3000 an hour to spend a hour with his son as a college grad present. The dad just wanted the kid to have a few min to learn from a really good coach. It is nice to hear when some guys still remember what it was like to be a young coach. With everyone in college taking the GA route and avoiding having to try to work up though HS ball there are more and more coaches who don't give a flip about the little guy.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 19, 2007 21:39:11 GMT -6
With everyone in college taking the GA route and avoiding having to try to work up though HS ball there are more and more coaches who don't give a flip about the little guy. TRUST ME sir, the H.S. coaches DEFINITELY have it better than the GA's, and most 1AA restricted earnings coaches in all areas except the likelyhood of coaching college ball. As far as "not giving a flip about the little guy" just to play devils advocate a little, when I was coaching college ball i used to get more "coach, explain your defense to me" or "coach, we are small but quick, what should we do" or "How do you defend the wing-t (we played no wing-t teams)" emails/phone calls than anything. Those poorly directed questions do not lead themselves to an easy answer inseason.... So how do you reply? "Uh coach, that is just too poorly constructed question to answer in an email at this time of the year? " Or do you send them something superficial, knowing either you look like a moron, or they will have several vague and poorly constructed follow up questions?
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Post by wildcat on Nov 19, 2007 21:57:42 GMT -6
I'll bet that Coach Horton got a bunch more emails today... ;D
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Post by gmccown on Nov 20, 2007 9:19:46 GMT -6
Actually you do raise a good point. I will go on to say that the example I used occured in the off season (I know...with recruiting there is not off season).
I do think that any coach can respond in a civil manner. Even if it is to simply say I don't have the time at this point in the year to help. I think a $3000 per hour quote is a sure sign of self worship.
My frustrations with the GA route that is becoming prevelant in todays coaching circles is that it is forming an elitest group and closing the upper eschelon of coaching to the average hardworking guy. In my state the majority of the colleges only offer entry level coaching jobs to guys with GA experience, and they only give GA jobs to former college players. In some cases only guys who played 4 full years. This is leading to a situation where anyone not blessed wth the genetics of a college player is automaticly ruled out from coaching the college game. In doing this they not only eleminate a lot of great coaches, they narrow the differences in the offensive/defensive systems in use. They move the college game toward a homogenized system...boring...just like the pros.
At least there are a few guys left who have the desire to coach college ball and the luck and determination to make the jump from HS.
Just my two cents.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 20, 2007 13:28:41 GMT -6
I agree...not defending the coaches actions..nor his price tag. But hey, market forces...if he gets paid great..if not, lower your price.
NOW, as far as you take on college coaching, thats how it has been for a LONG LONG TIME. It is nothing new, and there is a lot of merit/logic to the system. Unlike other positions, where if it isn't working out, you can dismiss and replace in 2 weeks. If you get a dud, you are stuck with him for the year. If it turns out to be a bad year, YOU could be out of a job too. So just like any other job, the devil you know is always better.
Also, you said something very KEY in your paragraph. "Colleges in my state". That isn't how the college coaching ranks work. If you want to be a college football coach, you need to be ready to pack up your stuff, drive 1,000 miles away, and work for $6,000 -$10-000 a year. Are you prepared to do that?
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Post by gmccown on Nov 20, 2007 21:32:49 GMT -6
I fully understand that making the college jump would require a big move. Hence the reason I have not pursued it farther. There was a time where I was prepared to do that, at age 19-20 when my very brief college playing time ended. In fact I attempted to work for free at that point. However a few years later with a family to consider it is simply not an option. You do raise some very good points.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 21, 2007 16:24:56 GMT -6
well, there are 1,000's of coaches where even with a family, it is an option. Not saying that is good, bad or whatever, just the reality of the situation.
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 21, 2007 21:08:37 GMT -6
While it is true that most high school jobs pay more than college, there are still opportunities that are equitable. Like any job there are factors like location and cost of living to consider. There are also factors like the job itself - high school has teaching while college has recruiting. Having gone from high school to college and back to high school I can attest that making the leap from high school coach to college is not the normal pattern, it does happen. If you want it, and you're qualified, you can do it.
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Post by zwaps on Nov 23, 2007 20:04:09 GMT -6
You can talk all about how hard it is to accomodate questions from HS coaches, it just proofs that this was, in fact, first class.
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Post by gmccown on Nov 26, 2007 9:36:15 GMT -6
That was my point from the beginning. I wasn't intending to start a war over college coaching. I was just pointing out that in a day where so many guys won't help out a lower level coach that a coach who does is very impressive.
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