bigcroz
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Post by bigcroz on May 27, 2006 19:50:49 GMT -6
Been on both ends of lopsided scores. That being said having your starters doing the scoring in those big numbers is a no-no. We are a small school, last season 25 kids, freshman thru Seniors, with 12 frosh. We have no JV or freshman team. Most schools dress their JGV on Friday night when they play us. LAst year I talk to the guy before the game and he says he really wishes he could get his JV some reps. early in fourth we are down 20-0 but probably not that close. I call time out, walk to midfield and tell their coach that I am going to give my younger kids a chance to play. I get my freshman ready to go out on D and find he has his starters in. They push it down my frosh's throat with their senior tailback , who had yet to score. I left my kids in, and he brought the starters back out again to try to score. He was hindered that time by an experienced officiating crew. After the game he tells me that is what I get for allowing my DT to "cut" his lead blocking fullback. Then allows his kids to start trash talking my staff and parents after we sent our kids to the showers. Those are the guys that need to be suspended.
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Post by groundchuck on May 27, 2006 20:28:21 GMT -6
Don't know if there is a magic point differential or not but when the game is mathmatically decided then you change your game plan to kill the clock and go home. That is my opinion. I have in my career told my QB to kneel it 4x on the 1 yardline going in in the closing minutes b/c there was no sense scoring another meaningless TD b/c the outcome was set. I have had the favor returned to me as well. I have also had coaches throw fades to thier 6-5 WR vs our 5-5 3rd team CB for a TD with 30 seconds left to play, then tell me after the game it is up to me to keep him from running up the score? Bull. Coaches like that have no class. If he breaks a dive play while trying to run down the clock that is fine. His intent was not to score a cheap one on us. Now I know some of you will say that since you throw the ball that is how you run the clock. Fine, throw hitches and bubbles, and stay inbounds. Don't throw the fade trying to rub another team's nose in it.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2006 21:44:54 GMT -6
Airman, apparently you didn't get it.
The point of the thread was that once the outcome is forgone, and your superiority has been established (be it ground or air) then PERHAPS, doing the OPPOSITE is more sporting.
I agreed with you that it was silly to think that because a team runs power 95% of the time, it is not "running up the score" when it continues to run power. If the team is a power team, and they built that large lead by running the power, then perhaps it is NOT very sporting to CONTINUE TO RUN THE POWER.
THAT OF COURSE means that it is silly to think that if a team is 4 and 5 wide and passes 95% of the time, that it is NOT running up the score if doing the same thing when up by a large margin.
It isn't about "working on the passing game" as much as it is "you guys can't stop our run game, so we won't do that anymore" The same could be said for a passing team, continuing to pass.
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Post by groundchuck on May 27, 2006 21:57:55 GMT -6
Nope, you didn't get it. The point of the thread was that once the outcome is forgone, and your superiority has been established (be it ground or air) then PERHAPS, doing the OPPOSITE is more sporting. I agreed with you that it was silly to think that because a team runs power 95% of the time, it is not "running up the score" when it continues to run power. If the team is a power team, and they built that large lead by running the power, then perhaps it is NOT very sporting to CONTINUE TO RUN THE POWER. THAT OF COURSE means that it is silly to think that if a team is 4 and 5 wide and passes 95% of the time, that it is NOT running up the score if doing the same thing when up by a large margin. It isn't about "working on the passing game" as much as it is "you guys can't stop our run game, so we won't do that anymore" The same could be said for a passing team, continuing to pass. What I am really trying to get at is leaving your starters in when the other team has pulled the plug on gone to the scrubs.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2006 22:07:21 GMT -6
groundchuck
I agree 100%. I was pretty dissapointed last year when the DC I am working with was keeping in starters to preserve a shut out. We kind of got into it, and I told him I don't believe in "games within a game" We were going to win, it didn't matter if the other team scored, and we need to concentrate on the GAME, not the games within a game.
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Post by ttowntiger on May 27, 2006 22:12:55 GMT -6
1. As long as you have your backups in, keep running your offense. now if it's getting close to the end of the game, take a knee instead of sticking another one in. 2. I think it's very egotistical to run your 1st string in to preserve a shutout. The only way those backups are going to learn is to try and stop them on their own. Programs that are great every year win a lot of blowouts, which allow them to get their backups extensive game experience. they just rebuild and are never truly "young" teams. On the other hand, if you just squeak by every week, it may not hurt you now, but you never really get those backups quality experience, which will hurt in future years.
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Post by groundchuck on May 28, 2006 5:30:48 GMT -6
groundchuck I agree 100%. I was pretty dissapointed last year when the DC I am working with was keeping in starters to preserve a shut out. We kind of got into it, and I told him I don't believe in "games within a game" We were going to win, it didn't matter if the other team scored, and we need to concentrate on the GAME, not the games within a game. Yeah that is the other side of the coin, leaving the D starters in to keep the shutout. Is that the same as leaving the O starters in? I think so.
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Post by bulldogoption on May 28, 2006 6:15:29 GMT -6
A couple of scenarios:
I was a vars. asst. coach and our team was up 30 something to 0 late in the game. Our HC wanted to get the JVs in. We called a timeout so that we could line them all up and make sure they wouldn't go out with only 9 guys etc. They ran a play and nearly busted one for a TD. Then time expired. The other coach was upset. He thought we should have kneeled. I know you will say well you should have had your JVs in earlier. The game was one in which we spent quite a bit of time on Defense. The offense was scoring quickly and the opposing team was keeping their starters in all game and trying to come back, therefore we were keeping our starters in.
I know of a coach who was up big late in a game. Called timeout. Ran a homerun pass play, They are an option team. Wanted to get one of his kids a TD to break some type of record.
I think most people agree that if a team is running their base offense and scoring because of it and you can't stop it, the score is going to get ugly. But when a team is running things simply to make the score larger it is uncalled for.
I've been on both sides of this. When you have a good team your starters do deserve to play the majority of the game. They have worked hard and want to play the game just like any other kid. Playing them for the majority of the game is not bad. What you have them do can get you in trouble.
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ndcoach
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Post by ndcoach on May 28, 2006 9:24:13 GMT -6
I've got a different question to ask. Say you are down big midway through the 3rd. Both teams have their backups in and the other team is just using their base run plays but is still driving and can easiy score. What would be more insulting: them running a few base plays and scoring a couple more times, or them taking a knee 3 times and punting?
Personally, I would rather have a team let their subs play and let the chips fall, it is up to us to stop them eventually. If they scored a couple more times using their subs it is not on them for running it up, but on us for not stopping them.
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iahc
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Post by iahc on May 28, 2006 10:46:22 GMT -6
Here in Iowa we have had two rules address this situation. For the longest time it was the 50 point mercy rule. Once a team was up 50 in the second half, the game was over. I was once part of a staff where we got fifty-pointed on the third play of the second half - kind of humiliating, not to mention we had a great number of kids on the sideline who didn't see any action. The last two years we have done away with the 50 point rule and now operate on a continuous clock in the second half when the score differential is 35 points. Makes the second half fly by, but I feel it gives me more of an opportunity to make some substitutions no matter what side of the score I'm on.
Last season, last game of the year, we were playing the district champions. They had already clinched the title and were heading to the playoffs the next week. We were not going to the playoffs, going to finish 5-4 with a loss, 6-3 with a win. They certainly were the superior team, they hadn't been scored on in the first half all season long. We went into the game with the goal to score in the first half and remain competitive the whole 48 minutes. We did score in the 2nd quarter, very proud of our kids, but the game eventually got out of hand. With the score 51-12 and the clock continuing to run late in the 4th quarter they ran a fake punt. Now, I could ALMOST excuse this action if it was a razzle-dazzle play that they wanted to put on tape for future playoff opponents to have to prepare for, but when the punter simply tucks the ball and rumbles to our 2 yard-line, that really didn't sit well with me. I have no problem taking a beating by a superior team, but that crap is uncalled for. They fumbled on the next play and we recovered, so I suppose some sort of justice was served.
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Post by knighter on May 29, 2006 5:41:22 GMT -6
airman, i think the point that coachd was trying to make is I know that I can run the ball on you (not really you, but you for example's sake) all night, and have demonstrated that ability, so if I am up big and really want to try to "ease" up on you I begin to throw (as I know that because you CAN'T stop the run, at least if I am throwing my own kids can stop a play (dropped balls, bad throws, good coverage, pass rush etc). To me that is the easiest way to slow things up on you (and yes I have been in games where ANYTHING I call as far as a run goes is going to work, even with my freshmen in the game against a group of varsity starters).
PS- How freakin hard is it for you to draw up a dive and an Iso? Give me a break if a true DW'er can draw up a trips set with a few routes and practice them, a chuck and duck guy like you can certainly draw up a run or two for the exact same reason!! Now get me a beer too, and we can continue to agree to disagree in a friendly manner!
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