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Post by coachvann on Nov 7, 2007 12:44:07 GMT -6
I have seen assistant coaches who get HC jobs personality change due to more stress, lack of experience, or even power trippin.
I want to be a HC someday, but I don't want my wife to wonder who she is married to. Is there a personality change that happens when you get a HC job? and why does that happen?
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Post by bulldogoption on Nov 7, 2007 12:54:33 GMT -6
In my experience, YES. I have become more reserved and humble. Something about having an entire town and conference second guess choices I make did it to me. I have come to respect leaders and people who are asked to make decisions more. Talk radio and all the second guessers on TV make me puke now , whereas before I ate it up. You are viewed in an entirely different light. Folks refer to you as Coach whereever you go. These consquences have changed me I feel. My wife does wonder sometimes why I spend so much time on football. I didn't when I wasn't the head coach. Something about having your name in the paper and responsibility for success of young kids made me obsessive. Obsessive to the point that I question if I should continue at times because it gets in the way of more important things sometimes.
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Post by coachbw on Nov 7, 2007 12:59:49 GMT -6
I would also say yes it has changed me. It has certainly made football harder to get away from. Even when I set aside a couple of weeks after the end of the year banquet and vow to get away from it, I still have calls coming in, etc. I also think that being a head coach is one of the most political positions in the school and others want to know your opinon on school issues. Since becoming a head coach I have learned to be very careful when criticizing or praising things within our building.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 7, 2007 13:00:40 GMT -6
never mind
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Post by lsrood on Nov 7, 2007 13:17:23 GMT -6
I think you have to change just because of the nature of the job. I'd been an assistant for 23 years before I got my head coaching job, so I had the assistant part down pat. What I found out when I became the head coach was that I didn't have a clue as to just what was really involved. You are responsible for everything in the program. I spend as much time now if not more on administrative details/problems as opposed to actual hands on X & O's coaching. I am fortunate to have a great staff that helps lighten my load to a certain extent, however many things I have to take care of myself as that is the head coach's job. The change does not have to be a bad one, but I think it is inevitible just because of the nature of the job and the pressure that surrounds it. Between administrators, boosters, parents, the media, teachers and the players themselves, the amount of interaction with each group in itself can be overwhelming at times. I would echo bulldogoption in that it has made me more reserved and humble. Ours is a small town and as he stated I also am referred to as Coach wherever I go and get everybody's opinion whether I ask for it or not. You come to understand that before you were a small but important part of the program, but as the head coach you are the face of the program and your every statement, gesture, & action will be scrutinzed and left open to interpretation by the very same people mentioned above. Don't let becoming a head coach scare you, just prepare for it and understand that you will change, but that is not a bad thing.
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Post by deaux68 on Nov 7, 2007 13:21:42 GMT -6
Never been a head coach. Only been an assistant for 4 years.
Our head coach preaches about how it changes you. Or it better anyway. You look at things totally different.
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Post by coachvann on Nov 7, 2007 13:32:21 GMT -6
Has becoming a HC changed how you are around the kids? I have always viewed myself as a "players-coach". I have always been very close to the players and I would not want that to change...I also know that your role has changed and has brought you more to the administrative side of things...which seems like that would naturally take you away from the players and the x's and o's. I look forward to that kind of pressure, but I want to still be me as a coach.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 7, 2007 13:39:31 GMT -6
I THINK its much easier to be loose when youre not the head coach.
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Post by brophy on Nov 7, 2007 13:41:22 GMT -6
Its called the Burden of Leadership. It changes anyone.
And if it doesn't, WHATTHEHELLAREYOUDOING?!?!
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Post by superpower on Nov 7, 2007 13:55:22 GMT -6
This thread reminded me about how tough it must be to be Cam Cameron in Miami right now. The guy was labeled a "genius" as an asst. in San Diego, and now Miami can't win a game. I know it isn't all on him, but I would bet that his personality has changed.
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Post by mitch on Nov 7, 2007 14:12:09 GMT -6
What about the power trip aspect. I am guessing not too many guys would tell on themselves, but some assistants might have a candid viewpoint. I notice a lot of head coaches refer to their team as "I".
Example - Head coach talking about playing another team, "I've beat them 3 years in a row/ He's beaten me the last two years/ I think I have an advantage b/c he has to come here to play me/ etc."
This really irks me.
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Post by airraider on Nov 7, 2007 14:18:38 GMT -6
An old coach once told me that you had to be an arse-hole to be a head coach, or at least act like one.
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Post by brophy on Nov 7, 2007 14:39:04 GMT -6
An old coach once told me that you had to be an arse-hole to be a head coach, or at least act like one. so, THATS what your problem is..........huh?
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Post by neil on Nov 7, 2007 14:44:09 GMT -6
It has calmed me down and humbled me big time.
I don't think the power trip has happened yet, of course our assistants might say other wise, but I doubt it. I try to make sure that I have as many jobs that nobody wants as everyone else.
I have heard similar stuff in regards to having to be a jerk, but I don't agree. My dad has won well over 250 games in his career and is one of the nicest guys I know.
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 7, 2007 14:51:25 GMT -6
Isrood- right on the money, in fact the similarities between your situation and mine are scary right down to being an assistant for 23 years before becoming the HC. The amount of time that gets devoted to things not directly related to coaching football just boggles the mind. I don't think it has to change you at all- what changes is your responsibilities and your influence it's up to you whether that changes you or not.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 7, 2007 16:15:05 GMT -6
Does a HC job change your personality?
I'd say NO.
It did for a while, when I was trying to be somebody else (like coaches I'd worked with/played for). We (I) had very little success then.
When I was myself, I enjoyed it a lot more (probably because we had a lot more success).
A lot of that was maturity too... when I was young and not any good, I let the job change me.
When I got a bit older, I was probably a bit better at all aspects of coaching (scheme, relations, organization, etc.) and that's when my coaching style more directly reflected "me".
I do notice that when coaching, I am much more consistently the "me" I want to be in all areas of my life.
I will agree with Isrood that your life will change. I'm probably a bit more reclusive now (but I was never very social... except for the occasional toga party).
An old coach once told me that you had to be an arse-hole to be a head coach
True... which is why I ascended to the position so quickly (I was 23 when I was first a HC).
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Post by aggie on Nov 7, 2007 17:45:01 GMT -6
I was a head coach for five years along with being an administrator in the school. I decided that I needed a change and became the AD and assistant coach at our rival school. Being an assistant this past year was great and my wife and friends said I am a totally different person (all for the better). I would have no problems being an assistant for the rest of my career. I enjoyed being a head coach, but only having to worry about certain aspects of the team instead of the whole has been wonderful. My only words of advise for young coaches is make sure you are ready. Its not as easy as you think no matter how much you think you know.
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Post by gldnglv165 on Nov 8, 2007 6:31:11 GMT -6
I am not the HC, but act as the HC. Officially I am the OC, but I also put together the defensive and special teams plans. I run practices, and also deal with all the parents, school, community, etc. One of the hard parts of this is that I'm not a teacher at the school, but a volunteer. The official HC is a teacher, but only shows up enough to collect the paycheck and does not really do any of the work. This is a big change for me from last year when I had a HC at the school that took care of the administrative duties, lined the field for us, coordinated busses for road games, etc. All I had to do was coach. This year I realized I was spending much less time coaching and more time being pulled in different directions. This has been frustrating, and while I still want to eventually be a HC, I can see aggie's view point on being an assistant forever. It is a lot of fun when you only have to worry about the football part and not spend your last practice fixing the lines on the field while the team goes through their walk-throughs, or helping the Booster club get set up before your last game while the team goes through their warm-ups. It's very frustrating when you don't get any help!
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Post by coachbw on Nov 8, 2007 8:14:05 GMT -6
I would say that being a head coach actually has changed the way I interact with the kids too. An earlier post referred to being a "players coach." The one that they knew they could come to with problems, and the one they would point out a hot girl running on the track to, etc. As a head coach I have become much more aware of the small % of people out there who do not like me or something I have done. I am sure they were always there, but they aren't as vocal when you aren't the face of the program. I am more careful to make sure that my actions and words are "handbook appropriate." This also relates to the comment in the last post about being slower to react and thinking out the long-term impact of all of your actions.
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Post by bulldogoption on Nov 8, 2007 8:23:53 GMT -6
As a head coach I became concerned with the total product I produce and the final outcomes. As opposed to coaching a position. For this reason, I think it has changed my relationship with players. I see the end product as the light in the tunnel. MInor bumps and hurt feelings along the way are just part of the process in getting to the end product. I have 8 grades worth of players to worry about rather than one group as a position coach or one side as a frosh OC for example.
Senator's post is great, his stuff is always good. It gives me hope......
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Post by lsrood on Nov 8, 2007 8:55:41 GMT -6
coachvann,
I too was a players coach, the one they could come to with problems or just to talk. However now as head coach, I find that they are much more open with my assistants and tend to confide in them rather than me. In my opinion it is because my duties have changed, not necessarily me. I still have open lines of communication with the players and encourage them to come see me at any time, but the fact is that they are still more open with my staff. That is good as well because it is allowing my staff to grow in experience as well. I would also agree with coachbw in that I now find out who likes what I'm doing and who doesn't as the face of the program which wasn't the case as an assistant. So far as the egotistical trip, I try to avoid it (being and assistant for 23 years gave me a lot of experience in dealing with that aspect and I try not to act like those head coaches did) and my staff helps out tremendously in this area. We all get along very well and the rule of thumb on our staff is that if you don't have a thick skin and a sense of humor you won't survive. If they even sense a power trip on my part, the barbs will fly. We have a great time coaching and they help me keep my sanity. As I said before, it changes you sometimes in subtle ways, sometimes in major ways. But the changes help you grow not only as a coach but as an individual.
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Post by coachvann on Nov 8, 2007 9:45:11 GMT -6
All of these post has really opened my eyes of becoming a head coach and what my HC is going through right now as a first year HC. It has got me excited about the opportunity for much later on and at the same time I do not want my wife to wonder who I have turned into when I do become a HC.
It sounds like for the most part personalities did not change but your role has changed which brings maturity as a coach.
Thanks for all the great info!!
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Post by coachjd on Nov 8, 2007 10:36:55 GMT -6
My first stint I was a prick! I tried to micro manage and do everything myself. I did not have a lot of confidence in my staff and did not trust most of them for good reasons. Had to keep all the assistants that wanted to stay. (good lesson learned)
2nd stint I have complete faith in my assistants, I have more patients for my younger guys trying to learn the game and help them as much as I can. I let my assistants coach and do their jobs and I do my job. It really has made for a great situation. Wisdom must come with age and grey hair and a few miller lites.
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Post by tribepride on Nov 8, 2007 13:28:42 GMT -6
My first stint I was a prick! I tried to micro manage and do everything myself. I did not have a lot of confidence in my staff and did not trust most of them for good reasons. Had to keep all the assistants that wanted to stay. (good lesson learned) 2nd stint I have complete faith in my assistants, I have more patients for my younger guys trying to learn the game and help them as much as I can. I let my assistants coach and do their jobs and I do my job. It really has made for a great situation. Wisdom must come with age and grey hair and a few miller lites. I think you are still stuck on your "first stint." ;D I don't call you BIG TIME for no reason.
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Post by coachjd on Nov 8, 2007 15:04:44 GMT -6
hey tribe, shouldn't you be out drinking some bud or shining deer with your AK 47!!!
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