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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 14, 2024 12:22:37 GMT -6
Through 7 games we have zero, none, zip.
Just getting stats updated and was a bit shocked.
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Post by mattharris75 on Oct 14, 2024 12:51:32 GMT -6
As a counterpoint we have 347 yards on 19 returns, with 3 TDs. Got the best punt (and kickoff) returner we've had in 20 years, and it's been huge for us.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 14, 2024 15:36:23 GMT -6
Through 7 games we have zero, none, zip. Just getting stats updated and was a bit shocked. If you've caught them all in the air, you're WAY in the positive though. Uncaught punts lose you on average about 15 yds of field position. Never return one for a single yard, but catch them all, and you're doing great. |
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Post by agap on Oct 14, 2024 19:45:37 GMT -6
Through 7 games we have zero, none, zip. Just getting stats updated and was a bit shocked. If you've caught them all in the air, you're WAY in the positive though. Uncaught punts lose you on average about 15 yds of field position. Never return one for a single yard, but catch them all, and you're doing great. I agree, this is more important. We have 16 total return yards on punt block but we're +144 in hidden yardage for all units. There were a couple games where we didn't field the punt but we had some injuries those games and had to keep putting someone different back. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 15, 2024 9:08:28 GMT -6
If you've caught them all in the air, you're WAY in the positive though. Uncaught punts lose you on average about 15 yds of field position. Never return one for a single yard, but catch them all, and you're doing great. I agree, this is more important. We have 16 total return yards on punt block but we're +144 in hidden yardage for all units. There were a couple games where we didn't field the punt but we had some injuries those games and had to keep putting someone different back. We have only fielded 4 punts all fair catches. |
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Post by jstoss24 on Oct 15, 2024 9:35:49 GMT -6
I've seen a lot of talk about a punt return priority of:
1. Don't give up a fake
2. Block the kick
3. Fair catch
And I'm completely on board with the philosophy behind this, emphasizing possession over field position, but I struggle with fully leaning into it because we have some explosive athletes that I want to give as many opportunities to make a play as possible. I guess it's a personal philosophy thing, but it's something that this thread reminded me of.
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Post by blb on Oct 15, 2024 9:45:58 GMT -6
To get yards-big plays on PR a) You have to work at it, and b) opponents have to cooperate by punting it in a way that can be caught and returned. With so many teams going to Rugby-style kicks that don't go very far or straight before bouncing it's gotten harder to set up productive returns. I always wanted to get 10 yards per return (one 1st Down before offense took the field) and two big plays a year. The point larrymoe made about losing average of 15 yards when you let ball bounce is a good one. |
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Post by coachdubyah on Oct 19, 2024 10:53:22 GMT -6
Through 7 games we have zero, none, zip. Just getting stats updated and was a bit shocked. If you've caught them all in the air, you're WAY in the positive though. Uncaught punts lose you on average about 15 yds of field position. Never return one for a single yard, but catch them all, and you're doing great. I posted on here about this once…we had no fast kid that could catch a punt. Got tired of losing yards. I put our baseball catcher back there. He was 205 lb offensive guard. Told him if he didn’t call fair catch I’d kick him off the team and rule him in eligible for baseball. Told his parents too. They went with it. Loved that kid. |
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Post by blb on Oct 19, 2024 11:03:25 GMT -6
If you've caught them all in the air, you're WAY in the positive though. Uncaught punts lose you on average about 15 yds of field position. Never return one for a single yard, but catch them all, and you're doing great. I posted on here about this once…we had no fast kid that could catch a punt. Got tired of losing yards. I put our baseball catcher back there. He was 205 lb offensive guard. Told him if he didn’t call fair catch I’d kick him off the team and rule him in eligible for baseball. Told his parents too. They went with it. Loved that kid. Catch it and run (towards blocking). Fair catch it. If you can't catch it cleanly get away from it and yell "Hot, Hot, Hot!" (as in "Hot Potato") at blockers and run off the field so it doesn't inadvertently hit you. We didn't use "Peter!" because I didn't want to have to explain to female administrator or school board member why. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 19, 2024 12:42:14 GMT -6
I agree, this is more important. We have 16 total return yards on punt block but we're +144 in hidden yardage for all units. There were a couple games where we didn't field the punt but we had some injuries those games and had to keep putting someone different back. We have only fielded 4 punts all fair catches. Might be something to examine schematically, assuming you have made the opponents punt more than 4 times. As Larrymoe pointed out, you guys are probably giving up a good deal of field position. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 20, 2024 13:15:28 GMT -6
If you've caught them all in the air, you're WAY in the positive though. Uncaught punts lose you on average about 15 yds of field position. Never return one for a single yard, but catch them all, and you're doing great. I posted on here about this once…we had no fast kid that could catch a punt. Got tired of losing yards. I put our baseball catcher back there. He was 205 lb offensive guard. Told him if he didn’t call fair catch I’d kick him off the team and rule him in eligible for baseball. Told his parents too. They went with it. Loved that kid. We went 9-10 man block and put a sure handed kid deep. Told him to catche the ball first and foremost. If he could get yards, do it. But make the damn catch. With a block every time, you don't get much in the way of punt coverage or a good punt. Catch the ball and sometimes you're +30yds from where you'd be if you tried some return. |
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Post by mc140 on Oct 20, 2024 17:15:48 GMT -6
We have one return for 25 yards. A handful of fair catches. Most punts are uncatchable in our conference.
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 20, 2024 18:52:54 GMT -6
We didn't use "Peter!" because I didn't want to have to explain to female administrator or school board member why. Nobody says "poison" any more? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 20, 2024 19:11:44 GMT -6
Nobody says "poison" any more? Who ever said poison to begin with? |
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Post by mattharris75 on Oct 20, 2024 20:18:51 GMT -6
Nobody says "poison" any more? Who ever said poison to begin with? We used poison in college... 25 years ago...  |
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Post by blb on Oct 21, 2024 4:21:28 GMT -6
Who ever said poison to begin with? We used poison in college... 25 years ago... One-syllable words are better - easier to yell and recognize quicker. Plus a football resembles a ("hot!") potato. |
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Post by fantom on Oct 21, 2024 10:23:02 GMT -6
Who ever said poison to begin with? We used poison in college... 25 years ago... On the other hand, I've never heard of "poison" except in this forum. Apparently neither had the Packers' Kisean Nixon. |
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