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Sept 28, 2024 17:49:53 GMT -6
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 28, 2024 17:49:53 GMT -6
This week here in the south got me thinking; what happens when a natural disaster hits your state and multiple games get canceled?
Most in SC lost games this week, except those that moved their games up 2 days to Wednesday.... most forecasts for us was it would be gone by noon Friday.... nope
Might lose another week depending on getting power back.... my neighborhood looks like a movie scene and probably won't get power for a week...
We've had some other storms that only impacted half the state... lower/coastal areas. Flooding made school impossible. SC ended up moving the playoffs back 2 weeks.
We were flicking our dykes for 2 weeks at the end but it was the only way to finish the regular season.
How did your state handlesomething like this?
Works you just kill region games???
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Sept 28, 2024 17:57:07 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 28, 2024 17:57:07 GMT -6
I was coaching in South Louisiana when Katrina hit the South East followed up by Hurricane Rita ( a lesser remembered category 5 hurricane with max winds of 177mph) hit the southwestern region less than 3 weeks later. It was interesting to say the least. Some districts no longer had schools. Many schools were shut down for multiple months. Essentially HS football for the southern part of the state just sort of disappeared for a while.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 28, 2024 18:02:39 GMT -6
I believe Alabama cancelled a week and extended the season one year when a hurricane came through. Week 5 just became week 11.
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Sept 28, 2024 18:04:20 GMT -6
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 28, 2024 18:04:20 GMT -6
I believe Alabama cancelled a week and extended the season one year when a hurricane came through. Week 5 just became week 11. That's what we did before
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Post by 44special on Sept 28, 2024 21:00:42 GMT -6
I was coaching in South Louisiana when Katrina hit the South East followed up by Hurricane Rita ( a lesser remembered category 5 hurricane with max winds of 177mph) hit the southwestern region less than 3 weeks later. It was interesting to say the least. Some districts no longer had schools. Many schools were shut down for multiple months. Essentially HS football for the southern part of the state just sort of disappeared for a while. louisiana had a different approach than most. they all just picked up and moved to texas.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 28, 2024 21:23:16 GMT -6
I was coaching in South Louisiana when Katrina hit the South East followed up by Hurricane Rita ( a lesser remembered category 5 hurricane with max winds of 177mph) hit the southwestern region less than 3 weeks later. It was interesting to say the least. Some districts no longer had schools. Many schools were shut down for multiple months. Essentially HS football for the southern part of the state just sort of disappeared for a while. louisiana had a different approach than most. they all just picked up and moved to texas. Not really an "approach". Residents and businesses suffered approximately $200-220 Billion Dollars in damage in a 3 week span creating a shortage of habitable living spaces for around 750,000 people. The storms hit 4 of the top 6 population centers in the state. Picture Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin becoming inhabitable for an extended period. Plus, with Katrina, unlike most storms that move through and allow for the picking up of the pieces, the topography caused flood waters to sit for over 40 days. The few with a degree of wealth moved. The vast majority were relocated. Several schools along the coast no longer existed. They weren't just damaged or inoperable. There was no evidence other than some slabs that they ever existed.
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Post by 44special on Sept 29, 2024 9:31:59 GMT -6
my post was meant to be humorous. as with a lot of my humor, maybe it didn't come across that way.
i remember the influx. the majority was not wealthy. i don't know if they were relocated to texas, or any details of why they ended up in texas. i do know some had relatives in texas. i just vaguely remembered that they did end up there. and there was a LOT of them.
i had actually forgotten all about it until it came up on here, and i don't remember much about it. i don't even remember where i was coaching at the time.
as far as i'm concerned, houston, dallas and san antonio are uninhabitable. but i guess millions of people disagree with me.
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Post by fantom on Sept 29, 2024 13:35:09 GMT -6
This week here in the south got me thinking; what happens when a natural disaster hits your state and multiple games get canceled? Most in SC lost games this week, except those that moved their games up 2 days to Wednesday.... most forecasts for us was it would be gone by noon Friday.... nope Might lose another week depending on getting power back.... my neighborhood looks like a movie scene and probably won't get power for a week... We've had some other storms that only impacted half the state... lower/coastal areas. Flooding made school impossible. SC ended up moving the playoffs back 2 weeks. We were flicking our dykes for 2 weeks at the end but it was the only way to finish the regular season. How did your state handlesomething like this? Works you just kill region games??? We had it happen twice: The DC sniper and Hurricane Isabell. They shuffled games so that we played one game on a Tuesday or Wednesday. We ended up playing (I think) a Friday, Tuesday, then next Monday then back on schedule.
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Sept 29, 2024 17:52:50 GMT -6
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Post by realdawg on Sept 29, 2024 17:52:50 GMT -6
We will have to do something like that. Even if they give us another week. We didn’t play last weeks game. I don’t think we will play this weeks game. And the game scheduled for Oct 11 town currently is completely cut off with no roads open in or out.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 29, 2024 19:17:20 GMT -6
We will have to do something like that. Even if they give us another week. We didn’t play last weeks game. I don’t think we will play this weeks game. And the game scheduled for Oct 11 town currently is completely cut off with no roads open in or out. realdawg Yeah our swath of the storm probably makes last week and this week out. It's bad here but worse up your way, and even worse in Asheville. In 2017 and 2018, the Low Country in SC had several bad storms and the flooding was WAY worse than normal -- flat = flooding. We pushed back the playoffs 2 weeks so everyone could make up games and played the finals the weekend of Christmas. Side note, in the first year 2017 everyone tried to do the normal make up game on Monday and play normal on Friday.... but the flooding was so bad we had teams trying to play Saturday/Tuesday/Friday to keep the schedule on course and it was only half the state that was having to try that. Since then we have just pushed everything back a week. So our week 4 game will most likely be played week 11 (normal week 1 of the playoffs) and week 5 game played week 12. Playoffs should start week 13 pushing the finals back 2 weeks.... I'm guessing Some teams did move their game last Friday UP to Wednesday to beat the storm, but most of us thought this would be easy and passing through by lunchtime on Friday -- turf field, not problem...... If football coaches could be successful with the 'win' percentage of weathermen; then nobody would ever get fired.
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Post by fantom on Oct 10, 2024 11:27:07 GMT -6
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 10, 2024 12:34:25 GMT -6
SC is adding another week to the season. Each region will determine how to make up games that were missed. Some schools missed none.
We missed 2 games and will only make up 1. Both were region games.
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Oct 10, 2024 14:52:21 GMT -6
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Post by realdawg on Oct 10, 2024 14:52:21 GMT -6
NC added another week as well. We are playing tonight. And Monday night. Then back on our conference schedule.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 10, 2024 19:35:04 GMT -6
NC added another week as well. We are playing tonight. And Monday night. Then back on our conference schedule. Yeah, I saw that in the article.... basically what we did in SC. Is your short schedule of make ups what the NC state league said, or what your region decided? Our region decided to make up the games that 'matter' for playoff seedings, not every single game.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 10, 2024 19:46:41 GMT -6
Plus that is all on top of:
-a recent reclassification that made adjustments for privates/charters... I.E. recruiting/open enrollment schools -the TREMENDOUS decision after we realigned the whole state from 4A to 5A to eliminate split divisional playoffs/state champions --- which lead to not having enough schools to fill out a logical playoff bracket -AND playoff seeding for regions are not determined by the League office, but is left up to the individual regions... which is kind of good...
SOOOOOOO..... In SC, we have a 10 game regular season schedule with a 5 round playoff -- 32 teams BUT for our 5A (biggest classification) we only have 54 teams.... and we split the playoffs into 2 divisions -- I.E. need 64 teams
Sooooooo, we have seeding based on region finish, but ALSO Maxpreps power ranking, and we have 1st round byes, and now some teams will be waiting another week b/c we added another regular season game week, AND each region gets to decide based on what they all agree on is the final region finish/seeding for playoffs
I'm saying all that to say this; my region ain't going to make up all the missed games. Some regions will play ALL of their games.
Who knows what it will all look like. AND none of it was considered when the current playoff format was set up.
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Post by realdawg on Oct 11, 2024 3:41:12 GMT -6
NC added another week as well. We are playing tonight. And Monday night. Then back on our conference schedule. Yeah, I saw that in the article.... basically what we did in SC. Is your short schedule of make ups what the NC state league said, or what your region decided? Our region decided to make up the games that 'matter' for playoff seedings, not every single game. Our guidance from the NCHSAA came so late that each conference was trying to do its own thing like the Wild Wild West, so it was a mess. The team we played last night was not the team we were scheduled to play this week. That team told us last weekend they would not be allowed to play yet. So we moved a game up with another conference team so that we both had a game, and it opened a date up later on for us to reschedule one of the games we missed. Well Monday about 2 PM the team we were orginally suppossed to play this week calls and says they got permission to play this week. We say well, you cancelled that game and we have already scheduled another, so we will have to reschedule our original game. Then it gets into a pissing contest. There was a proposed schedule where everyone would get all their conference games in without having to play 2 in a week. It meant anyone with a bye or non conference game left, would have to lose it. And we would have played the team we were orginally scheduled to play this week on 11/8. But again, they were adament if we didnt play this week, we had to turn around and play them on Monday or Tuesday. Doing so did allow us to keep a non conference game on 10/25 and play all 10 games. So the conference voted on a schedule that requires us, the team we played last night, and the team we play next Friday to play Monday night.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 11, 2024 9:32:21 GMT -6
Alabama sets the dates of the region games.
We have an 11 week schedule and you can play at most 10 games.
Weeks 0, 1, 5, 10 are non-region.
Weeks 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 are region.
I would imagine that if Alabama was affected and it happened during a region week (let's say week 7 for instance), then week 10 games would be cancelled and week 7 games would be inserted in to week 10. Just a smart way to handle it. If it happened during a non-region week (week 5), those game would probably just be cancelled.
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Post by coach55 on Oct 11, 2024 10:25:38 GMT -6
Maybe a good idea to just go ahead and make the season a week longer by extending or starting a week earlier in these states that get hit a lot.
Give everyone an open date week 8 or 9 to make up lost games. Go ahead and build it in.
Thats what private school league did in South Carolina this year and it has helped out some people.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 11, 2024 12:27:16 GMT -6
Alabama sets the dates of the region games. We have an 11 week schedule and you can play at most 10 games. Weeks 0, 1, 5, 10 are non-region. Weeks 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 are region. I would imagine that if Alabama was affected and it happened during a region week (let's say week 7 for instance), then week 10 games would be cancelled and week 7 games would be inserted in to week 10. Just a smart way to handle it. If it happened during a non-region week (week 5), those game would probably just be cancelled. the problem is that we have regions of all different sizes, anywhere from 5-8 teams we also have a week 0 that a lot of teams use to have a bye week in the middle of the season, but because of the differing size of regions they don't always match up I said it before, SC is too small to have 5 classifications, but you know 'got to make the playoffs'......
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Post by silkyice on Oct 11, 2024 12:40:09 GMT -6
Alabama sets the dates of the region games. We have an 11 week schedule and you can play at most 10 games. Weeks 0, 1, 5, 10 are non-region. Weeks 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 are region. I would imagine that if Alabama was affected and it happened during a region week (let's say week 7 for instance), then week 10 games would be cancelled and week 7 games would be inserted in to week 10. Just a smart way to handle it. If it happened during a non-region week (week 5), those game would probably just be cancelled. the problem is that we have regions of all different sizes, anywhere from 5-8 teams we also have a week 0 that a lot of teams use to have a bye week in the middle of the season, but because of the differing size of regions they don't always match up I said it before, SC is too small to have 5 classifications, but you know 'got to make the playoffs'...... Understand. But the state could still designate some weeks as non-region. Or at least week 10 as non-region. That is really all that has to happen. Everyone understand that no region games can be played week 10. If any week gets lost, that week gets moved to week 10.
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Oct 11, 2024 15:54:24 GMT -6
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Post by realdawg on Oct 11, 2024 15:54:24 GMT -6
Alabama sets the dates of the region games. We have an 11 week schedule and you can play at most 10 games. Weeks 0, 1, 5, 10 are non-region. Weeks 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 are region. I would imagine that if Alabama was affected and it happened during a region week (let's say week 7 for instance), then week 10 games would be cancelled and week 7 games would be inserted in to week 10. Just a smart way to handle it. If it happened during a non-region week (week 5), those game would probably just be cancelled. the problem is that we have regions of all different sizes, anywhere from 5-8 teams we also have a week 0 that a lot of teams use to have a bye week in the middle of the season, but because of the differing size of regions they don't always match up I said it before, SC is too small to have 5 classifications, but you know 'got to make the playoffs'...... If SC is too small for 5 classes. Imagine what it’s going to be like next year when NC goes to 8 classes. And uses split leagues to make geographically close conferences
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 11, 2024 21:19:22 GMT -6
the problem is that we have regions of all different sizes, anywhere from 5-8 teams we also have a week 0 that a lot of teams use to have a bye week in the middle of the season, but because of the differing size of regions they don't always match up I said it before, SC is too small to have 5 classifications, but you know 'got to make the playoffs'...... If SC is too small for 5 classes. Imagine what it’s going to be like next year when NC goes to 8 classes. And uses split leagues to make geographically close conferences Are y'all up to 400 HS yet? Yeah NC geographically is tough. It isn't just the east/west, it is the west/west-west and then the metroplexes. It is almost the opposite of SC. The Low County (east) doesn't have the mountain geography to deal with but the big cities/beaches and then NOTHING but counties full of logging company land or National Forests.
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Post by realdawg on Oct 12, 2024 5:30:45 GMT -6
We are just over 400 high schools if I remember correctly. Very tough geographically. Far western NC is very remote, and is far northeastern NC and the Outer Banks. We still dont have enough schools for 8 classifications. Its going to cause some conferences to be split leagues with MORE than 2 classes in the same conference. I am not in favor of that.
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