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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 23, 2024 12:34:17 GMT -6
We had a team in state lose with less than 2 seconds left. They had the lead 35-33 and the ball. On 4th down: The QB took a shotgun snap time ticks off horn blows QB stands there and holds up the ball to celebrate defender grabs it out of his hand and ran into the end zone.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 23, 2024 12:35:41 GMT -6
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Post by 3rdandlong on Sept 24, 2024 11:57:51 GMT -6
Play should have been flagged and came back simply because of all the coaches on the field.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 24, 2024 14:10:02 GMT -6
Play should have been flagged and came back simply because of all the coaches on the field. If it was their first infraction, it's a warning and nothing g was coming back. |
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Post by bignose on Sept 24, 2024 14:58:01 GMT -6
The QB should have taken a knee or slid to end the play. They were not in a "Victory formation"
Offensive coaches fault!
Can't hear the sound, but the play doesn't end until the whistle blows.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 24, 2024 18:12:18 GMT -6
The QB should have taken a knee or slid to end the play. They were not in a "Victory formation" Offensive coaches fault! Can't hear the sound, but the play doesn't end until the whistle blows. They're probably one of those teams that takes a knee out of the gun because "that's what they do"... |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 24, 2024 18:29:57 GMT -6
The QB should have taken a knee or slid to end the play. They were not in a "Victory formation" Offensive coaches fault! Can't hear the sound, but the play doesn't end until the whistle blows. Senario was 4th down, less than 2 seconds. So snap the ball, pause for 2 seconds, knee, game over. QB obviously wasn't coached how to handle this situation. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 24, 2024 18:37:51 GMT -6
The QB should have taken a knee or slid to end the play. They were not in a "Victory formation" Offensive coaches fault! Can't hear the sound, but the play doesn't end until the whistle blows. They're probably one of those teams that takes a knee out of the gun because "that's what they do"... Taking the final knee is actually better in the gun. The QB is removed from the LOS; from the possible bad scenario. If there is a bad snap, there is more time to 'recover'. The only disadvantage is if you are backed up near your goal line. Years ago we lost our starting QB in a jamboree for 8 weeks to a sprained ankle in Victory formation. Near the end of the Jambo, near the opponents goal line, with the lead. We go to end the game with the knee, LBs/NG blow through the Center and QB gets rolled up. |
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 25, 2024 6:27:12 GMT -6
They're probably one of those teams that takes a knee out of the gun because "that's what they do"... Taking the final knee is actually better in the gun. The QB is removed from the LOS; from the possible bad scenario. If there is a bad snap, there is more time to 'recover'. The only disadvantage is if you are backed up near your goal line. Years ago we lost our starting QB in a jamboree for 8 weeks to a sprained ankle in Victory formation. Near the end of the Jambo, near the opponents goal line, with the lead. We go to end the game with the knee, LBs/NG blow through the Center and QB gets rolled up. Ok. |
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Post by Defcord on Sept 30, 2024 15:45:24 GMT -6
Have to practice this stuff every week. It adds one minute to your Thursday mock game.
In game I would’ve also called a time out to remind them and if I didn’t have a timeout I would’ve took a delay of game and had my qb come over to remind him.
This is rough.
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 30, 2024 17:30:39 GMT -6
Have to practice this stuff every week. It adds one minute to your Thursday mock game. In game I would’ve also called a time out to remind them and if I didn’t have a timeout I would’ve took a delay of game and had my qb come over to remind him. This is rough. I've taken a TO in that situation a couple times. Other team gets pissy, but {censored} them. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 30, 2024 18:15:53 GMT -6
Oh, I didn't mention
They took a timeout
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Post by Defcord on Sept 30, 2024 19:39:18 GMT -6
I’ve coached in that area and against the Conway coach when he was at Lamar. He’s a good guy and coach so I’m surprised how this played out.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 1, 2024 6:42:31 GMT -6
I’ve coached in that area and against the Conway coach when he was at Lamar. He’s a good guy and coach so I’m surprised how this played out. Yeah, but we are the ones that are putting our job security on the line based on the decision making of 16 year olds. Learning experience. |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 1, 2024 7:17:31 GMT -6
I’ve coached in that area and against the Conway coach when he was at Lamar. He’s a good guy and coach so I’m surprised how this played out. Yeah, but we are the ones that are putting our job security on the line based on the decision making of 16 year olds. Learning experience. I agree. Let’s say you practice it every week. And you call a timeout to make sure to remind the kid to burn the time and then take the knee. Then the kid gets lost in the moment and still messes up. What more can you do? I think it’s really bad. I want to say that it wouldn’t happen to a team I coach because we’ve prepared for it. But what if it does? Definitely a learning experience. I’m sure the kid is hurting about the play as well. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 1, 2024 9:33:05 GMT -6
Yeah, but we are the ones that are putting our job security on the line based on the decision making of 16 year olds. Learning experience. I agree. Let’s say you practice it every week. And you call a timeout to make sure to remind the kid to burn the time and then take the knee. Then the kid gets lost in the moment and still messes up. What more can you do? I think it’s really bad. I want to say that it wouldn’t happen to a team I coach because we’ve prepared for it. But what if it does? Definitely a learning experience. I’m sure the kid is hurting about the play as well. Yeah, hate it for him. I hope it doesn't define him. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 1, 2024 12:12:29 GMT -6
Yeah, but we are the ones that are putting our job security on the line based on the decision making of 16 year olds. Learning experience. I agree. Let’s say you practice it every week. And you call a timeout to make sure to remind the kid to burn the time and then take the knee. Then the kid gets lost in the moment and still messes up. What more can you do? I think it’s really bad. I want to say that it wouldn’t happen to a team I coach because we’ve prepared for it. But what if it does? Definitely a learning experience. I’m sure the kid is hurting about the play as well. Also tell your backs to tackle his ass if he does what this kid did. |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 1, 2024 14:29:43 GMT -6
I agree. Let’s say you practice it every week. And you call a timeout to make sure to remind the kid to burn the time and then take the knee. Then the kid gets lost in the moment and still messes up. What more can you do? I think it’s really bad. I want to say that it wouldn’t happen to a team I coach because we’ve prepared for it. But what if it does? Definitely a learning experience. I’m sure the kid is hurting about the play as well. Also tell your backs to tackle his ass if he does what this kid did. Agreed…try to have as many answers as you can. We lost to a team one year on a play where they ran sweep pass and their quarterback wheeled out of the back field after tossing it and they threw it back to him. There was .5 seconds on the clock. I wasnt the coordinator but I knew we had never worked on if the the qb comes back into the play. Ever since then we work last play defense and specifically mention the quarterback. So I have somewhat been in these shoes. Still can’t believe when this stuff happens. |
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Post by spreadattack on Oct 2, 2024 12:48:32 GMT -6
Someone posted this -- basically the exact same scenario, but back in 1981. This even has interviews with the kid who scored the winning TD and the poor QB who didn't go down. He talks a little bit about what the coaches said on the sideline. (Fateful play is at about the 10 minute mark.)
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Post by blb on Oct 2, 2024 12:53:58 GMT -6
You have to coach kids that if the ball is in play the game does not end until the play ends (official's whistle) - not when a "buzzer" or "horn" goes off.
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Post by Wingtman on Nov 11, 2024 12:51:55 GMT -6
Have to practice this stuff every week. It adds one minute to your Thursday mock game. In game I would’ve also called a time out to remind them and if I didn’t have a timeout I would’ve took a delay of game and had my qb come over to remind him. This is rough. I've taken a TO in that situation a couple times. Other team gets pissy, but {censored} them. We got a big stop Friday night to get the ball back and take a knee to win a playoff game. I called a TO right after the officials signaled a first down for us. The linesman said "now, you sure"?" YUP! Made sure my Centers hands (he was playing D) were dry, made sure my Qb had what he wanted as far as gameball etc, had to calm them down for a second...just in case. |
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Post by carookie on Nov 13, 2024 11:37:14 GMT -6
Had a game recently, big game. Down by 5 under a minute left marching to score the potentially GW TD....we get picked off in the endzone.
Kid who picked it off runs out of the endzone, realizes what he's done but cant go back and is tackled inside the one. They don't want to take a knee and give us the safety, with a chance to get a tying FG. So they line up in a push/sneak alignment.
Sure enough, QB fumbles the snap (never really gets it). Our OLB comes around he end, and to the surprise of everyone, including himself, picks up the ball lying in the endzone for the GWTD. Take nothing for granted, even victory kneel down.
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