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Post by szimm29 on Sept 22, 2024 7:16:26 GMT -6
Fellas
I have been coach for quite a while (28 years). I have had seasons where we haven't been good, but this feels different. When you have a team that is on a losing streak and the schedule is only getting more difficult what do you do? our offensive line is the least talented we have ever had, we have 1 wr and have to RB by committee. We have been running shotgun triple option principles. Im open to any and all suggestions!
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Post by 44special on Sept 22, 2024 7:37:09 GMT -6
been there, done that.
get ready for a long season, and just try to survive.
get your work done, but don't kill yourself going overboard trying to win games you know you absolutely cannot win.
enjoy a little more time with family, and don't take the job home with you.
i wish i had been given this advice when i was going thru it.
not sure i could have followed it then, as i was pretty obsessed when i was younger. but if you're a normal person, maybe you can.
also -
if you're in that kind of school, as soon as the season is over, get your resume ready and keep your ear to the ground.
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Post by CS on Sept 22, 2024 8:01:48 GMT -6
Fellas I have been coach for quite a while (28 years). I have had seasons where we haven't been good, but this feels different. When you have a team that is on a losing streak and the schedule is only getting more difficult what do you do? our offensive line is the least talented we have ever had, we have 1 wr and have to RB by committee. We have been running shotgun triple option principles. Im open to any and all suggestions! Excuse my ignorance but what are shotgun triple principles? I ask because I’ve seen it run with gap scheme and zone scheme. Also what are the complimentary plays? How fast do the plays hit? This is my main argument against shotgun triple. The play hits too slow for me and gives the defense time to slow play the phases. Also, the slower the play hits the longer your sh!t line has to block |
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Post by szimm29 on Sept 22, 2024 8:14:35 GMT -6
Our run scheme is mostly iz. We run the H/F in the flat, we will bring an orbit motion for the pitch phase. We will run 20p and bring the 2nd back through into the flat. Along with the 2nd back becoming the pitch player.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 22, 2024 8:20:52 GMT -6
Our run scheme is mostly iz. We run the H/F in the flat, we will bring an orbit motion for the pitch phase. We will run 2 back and bring the 2nd back through into the flat. Get under center and run veer and run plays that hit quick. Get your line in 3 point stances, come off low, and shoulder block. Every snap with under 5 seconds on play clock. Slow the game down. When you throw, throw only for td’s or first downs. No throwing just to throw. This could also be stupid advice. But reading through the internet sounds like a decent option. Ha. |
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Sept 22, 2024 8:21:31 GMT -6
I'm in a similar situation to you. I chose this (see other thread on new job) so in my situation I have no one to blame but me.
Anyway, we were talking about this as a staff on our 7 hour bus trip back home after losing a game we all thought we could win.
One thing that I think that sets apart bad teams (so an off year in a solid program) and bad programs is continuity and consistency.
We are still a bad program here. The program I took over has no identity. You never knew what they ran on offense or on defense. There was a new system yearly... sometimes weekly. I was very adamant on the trip back that we are not changing who we are (or are trying to be). We are going to run Our Offense (Single Wing) and Our Defense (43); we are just going to have to do it better.
This might seem obvious, but as someone who has coached for 34 years, I fell in to the trap of changing things too much 2 years ago. We were a good program with a bad team. We (I) got too caught up in our playoff streak, and "winning now" with a team that really wasn't capable of that. Looking back I think we would have been better off if we had just "stayed the course".
You will always make tweaks and adaptations- but don't change who you are unless you are going to revamp and change who you are for good.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 22, 2024 8:23:28 GMT -6
I'm in a similar situation to you. I chose this (see other thread on new job) so in my situation I have no one to blame but me. Anyway, we were talking about this as a staff on our 7 hour bus trip back home after losing a game we all thought we could win. One thing that I think that sets apart bad teams (so an off year in a solid program) and bad programs is continuity and consistency.
We are still a bad program here. The program I took over has no identity. You never knew what they ran on offense or on defense. There was a new system yearly... sometimes weekly. I was very adamant on the trip back that we are not changing who we are (or are trying to be). We are going to run Our Offense (Single Wing) and Our Defense (43); we are just going to have to do it better. This might seem obvious, but as someone who has coached for 34 years, I fell in to the trap of changing things too much 2 years ago. We were a good program with a bad team. We (I) got too caught up in our playoff streak, and "winning now" with a team that really wasn't capable of that. Looking back I think we would have been better off if we had just "stayed the course". You will always make tweaks and adaptations- but don't change who you are unless you are going to revamp and change who you are for good. I like this advice also even though I literally just posted the opposite. Ha |
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Sept 22, 2024 8:37:27 GMT -6
silkyice I took yours more as "condensing" and "returning to basics"... so not necessarily opposite.
If they are shotgun triple, then under c triple/veer is more or less a reduction, not really a change.
Another thing with a bad team is while there is a temptation to do more stuff- you are better off to do less.
My play call sheet is the smallest it has been in 30 years- we are slow learners here, but I see signs of us being decent. We just don't do it for a whole game. If we are going to add anything, we need to do so 3 weeks in advance of when we'll need it.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 23, 2024 1:31:03 GMT -6
If you are going to be bad, here's two pieces of advice:
1) Play a lot of kids. That will disperse the blame and keep most parents off your back.
2) Speed the game up by keeping the clock running. Take the maximum amount of time between snaps on offense. Don't throw the ball. Encourage ballcarriers to stay in bounds. By doing that, you can probably bleed the other team of 2-3 extra possessions a half.
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Post by CS on Sept 23, 2024 3:57:59 GMT -6
If you are going to be bad, here's two pieces of advice: 1) Play a lot of kids. That will disperse the blame and keep most parents off your back. 2) Speed the game up by keeping the clock running. Take the maximum amount of time between snaps on offense. Don't throw the ball. Encourage ballcarriers to stay in bounds. By doing that, you can probably bleed the other team of 2-3 extra possessions a half. Never really thought about the first one. That’s good stuff |
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Post by 44special on Sept 23, 2024 8:15:48 GMT -6
#1 doesn't work in most places in texas. you're still gonna get fired.
just sayin'.
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Post by coachbb on Sept 24, 2024 14:31:41 GMT -6
How is your offensive line a weak point? I think you have to ask the hard questions of "why"?
Are they confused on assignments? Then simplify and reevaluate your teaching methodology.
Are they too weak? Then reflect on your weight room program (this probably won't be solved this season)
Focus on what you CAN do well, and go full steam ahead with that.
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Post by blackknight on Oct 21, 2024 9:45:40 GMT -6
No running out of bounds.
Get on your hash and stay there. You can formation into the boundary (unbalanced, etc.) in crucial situations.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 21, 2024 14:07:36 GMT -6
How is your offensive line a weak point? I think you have to ask the hard questions of "why"? Are they confused on assignments? Then simplify and reevaluate your teaching methodology. Are they too weak? Then reflect on your weight room program (this probably won't be solved this season) Focus on what you CAN do well, and go full steam ahead with that. Agree with you 100% "We just don't have the kids, coach" ain't gonna cut it. Change your off-season program, change your scheme, change your terminology- don't pass the buck! |
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Post by coachbb on Oct 22, 2024 11:25:26 GMT -6
How is your offensive line a weak point? I think you have to ask the hard questions of "why"? Are they confused on assignments? Then simplify and reevaluate your teaching methodology. Are they too weak? Then reflect on your weight room program (this probably won't be solved this season) Focus on what you CAN do well, and go full steam ahead with that. Agree with you 100% "We just don't have the kids, coach" ain't gonna cut it. Change your off-season program, change your scheme, change your terminology- don't pass the buck! I've been in some situations where, quite frankly, the talent level won't cut it. But I've also seen a lot of coaches just claim the OL is bad, but don't really ever put their guys in a position to succeed. A lot of skill coaches I've been around don't have enough of grasp of OL play to honestly evaluate what's happening in the trenches. To the OP- how has the season gone the last few weeks, and do you still feel the same way? |
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Post by blb on Oct 22, 2024 11:42:00 GMT -6
Unless you are at a special place or have a special group -
Of course OL is a weak point.
It's the "last stop before the bus stop," as in they can't play there they can't play anywhere.
They aren't skilled enough to play QB-WR-RB or even TE on offense, not quick or athletic enough to play DL-LBer on defense (much less DB).
And yet they are the most important unit on a football team.
Coach 'em up, give 'em things they CAN do.
That's football-coaching.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 22, 2024 13:46:44 GMT -6
Unless you are at a special place or have a special group - Of course OL is a weak point. It's the "last stop before the bus stop," as in they can't play there they can't play anywhere. They aren't skilled enough to play QB-WR-RB or even TE on offense, not quick or athletic enough to play DL-LBer on defense (much less DB). And yet they are the most important unit on a football team. Coach 'em up, give 'em things they CAN do. That's football-coaching. This is one of the best posts I have read. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 22, 2024 16:54:53 GMT -6
It's the "last stop before the bus stop," I will never be the same after reading this one-liner. Bravo. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 22, 2024 16:56:18 GMT -6
Agree with you 100% "We just don't have the kids, coach" ain't gonna cut it. Change your off-season program, change your scheme, change your terminology- don't pass the buck! I've been in some situations where, quite frankly, the talent level won't cut it. But I've also seen a lot of coaches just claim the OL is bad, but don't really ever put their guys in a position to succeed. A lot of skill coaches I've been around don't have enough of grasp of OL play to honestly evaluate what's happening in the trenches. To the OP- how has the season gone the last few weeks, and do you still feel the same way? I've coached very low end charter school football... I've had some bad OL's but we also tried to run stuff that would help them. Master the hard count, pistol wing-t, RPO's before they were cool, etc. |
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 22, 2024 18:48:58 GMT -6
Our run scheme is mostly iz. We run the H/F in the flat, we will bring an orbit motion for the pitch phase. We will run 20p and bring the 2nd back through into the flat. Along with the 2nd back becoming the pitch player. Since you're an option offense, of course you know that against an Odd defense you don't run the same kinds of options as you do against an Even, right? There has to be a RB occupying an ILB in one type...and an RB circling the edge on the other. Maybe that is what is the problem your O.Line is having? |
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Post by veerwego on Oct 23, 2024 10:07:42 GMT -6
If this seems to be a problem in the future, consider getting under center. Hit hole quicker = block less
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