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Post by blb on Aug 11, 2024 13:09:38 GMT -6
Who is the only Heisman Trophy-winning QB to go into NFL HOF as a QB?
No fair Googling.
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Post by CS on Aug 11, 2024 13:34:06 GMT -6
Montana?
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Post by blb on Aug 11, 2024 13:36:11 GMT -6
Didn't win Heisman, but good response. |
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Post by vasa on Aug 11, 2024 13:38:04 GMT -6
Roger Staubach.
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Post by blb on Aug 11, 2024 13:42:50 GMT -6
Ding Ding Ding - We have a winner. Paul Hornung won 1956 Heisman as Notre Dame QB (on a 2-8 team because racism kept Syracuse's Jim Brown from winning). But Hornung is in NFL HOF as HB-PK. Interesting, isn't it? That being Heisman-winning QB isn't guarantee of Pro success? Or that NOT winning Heisman doesn't mean a QB won't be HOFer as a Pro? |
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Post by vasa on Aug 11, 2024 13:57:18 GMT -6
Ding Ding Ding - We have a winner. Paul Hornung won 1956 Heisman as Notre Dame QB (on a 2-8 team because racism kept Syracuse's Jim Brown from winning). But Hornung is in NFL HOF as HB-PK. Interesting, isn't it? That being Heisman-winning QB isn't guarantee of Pro success? Or that NOT winning Heisman doesn't mean a QB won't be HOFer as a Pro? I had a leg up on the question because I’m an ND fan. So I always knew Staubach won the Heisman and that he QB’d the last victorious Navy team before ND reeled off 43 straight. |
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Post by brophy on Aug 11, 2024 15:27:18 GMT -6
this is a daily brain buster that puts decades of useless football player knowledge to task www.immaculategrid.com/footballI don't know much about NFL teams, but it does make me feel useful putting years of memorized rosters to use. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 11, 2024 17:51:29 GMT -6
Ding Ding Ding - We have a winner. Paul Hornung won 1956 Heisman as Notre Dame QB (on a 2-8 team because racism kept Syracuse's Jim Brown from winning). But Hornung is in NFL HOF as HB-PK. Interesting, isn't it? That being Heisman-winning QB isn't guarantee of Pro success? Or that NOT winning Heisman doesn't mean a QB won't be HOFer as a Pro? The Heisman is a worthless award. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 11, 2024 18:29:54 GMT -6
Ding Ding Ding - We have a winner. Paul Hornung won 1956 Heisman as Notre Dame QB (on a 2-8 team because racism kept Syracuse's Jim Brown from winning). But Hornung is in NFL HOF as HB-PK. Interesting, isn't it? That being Heisman-winning QB isn't guarantee of Pro success? Or that NOT winning Heisman doesn't mean a QB won't be HOFer as a Pro? The Heisman is a worthless award. Why? |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 11, 2024 21:10:36 GMT -6
The Heisman is a worthless award. Why? They don't even try to give it to the best, or most important player in college football anymore. They should rename it the QB with the best PR department award. There is no way in hell Jayden Daniels was the best player in college football last season. |
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Post by vasa on Aug 11, 2024 22:01:42 GMT -6
They don't even try to give it to the best, or most important player in college football anymore. They should rename it the QB with the best PR department award. There is no way in hell Jayden Daniels was the best player in college football last season. I agree the Heisman is a joke, but who would you pick last year and why do you feel that way about him? Daniels had almost 5,000 yards of offense and accounted for 50 TD’s with only 4 INT’s. LSU is perhaps a 6-6 team without him. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 12, 2024 7:31:53 GMT -6
They don't even try to give it to the best, or most important player in college football anymore. They should rename it the QB with the best PR department award. There is no way in hell Jayden Daniels was the best player in college football last season. I agree the Heisman is a joke, but who would you pick last year and why do you feel that way about him? Daniels had almost 5,000 yards of offense and accounted for 50 TD’s with only 4 INT’s. LSU is perhaps a 6-6 team without him. Penix or the RB from Michigan would have been better choices IMO. Admittedly, I don't watch much college football, but I'd never heard the name Jayden Daniels until he won the Heisman. Who cares if they'd have went 6-6 or 10-3? There's probably someone that played a team to a bowl with 2-10 talent around him. |
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Post by vasa on Aug 12, 2024 8:25:36 GMT -6
I agree the Heisman is a joke, but who would you pick last year and why do you feel that way about him? Daniels had almost 5,000 yards of offense and accounted for 50 TD’s with only 4 INT’s. LSU is perhaps a 6-6 team without him. Penix or the RB from Michigan would have been better choices IMO. Admittedly, I don't watch much college football, but I'd never heard the name Jayden Daniels until he won the Heisman. Who cares if they'd have went 6-6 or 10-3? There's probably someone that played a team to a bowl with 2-10 talent around him. Daniels and Penix Jr. had very similar offensive yards, and I know stats aren’t everything, but Daniels had about 3 yards per attempt more on passes. Jayden Daniels was deadly with his legs on runs and scrambles. I think that’s what put him ahead of other candidates. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Aug 12, 2024 9:54:58 GMT -6
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was the 50 TDs he accounted for in what is almost universally regarded as the best conference in the sport.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 12, 2024 10:05:15 GMT -6
20 of those TDs were against Army, Georgia State and Grambling State.
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Post by fantom on Aug 12, 2024 12:00:04 GMT -6
They don't even try to give it to the best, or most important player in college football anymore. They should rename it the QB with the best PR department award. There is no way in hell Jayden Daniels was the best player in college football last season. I can't argue that and I wouldn't even add the "anymore". |
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Post by blb on Aug 12, 2024 12:30:32 GMT -6
They don't even try to give it to the best, or most important player in college football anymore. They should rename it the QB with the best PR department award. There is no way in hell Jayden Daniels was the best player in college football last season. I can't argue that and I wouldn't even add the "anymore". The Heisman Trophy has always been a matter of "opinion," mostly based on Parochial voting (or as larrymoe implies PR). Notre Dame literally changed the pronunciation of QB Joe Theisman's name ( 'Theesman') to "Theisman" to bolster his chances for the trophy in 1970. Writers, TV-radio guys, former winners, etc. vote. Who really cares? Still a great CFB tradition. And always a matter of opinion. Even with all the nationally televised games for last several decades. Does it really matter? |
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Post by fantom on Aug 12, 2024 12:44:45 GMT -6
The most famous example would probably be Paul Hornung's '56 Heisman despite playing for a 2-8 Notre Dame team and throwing 13 INTs against 3 TDs. Jim Brown finished 4th.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 12, 2024 14:20:41 GMT -6
I can't argue that and I wouldn't even add the "anymore". The Heisman Trophy has always been a matter of "opinion," mostly based on Parochial voting (or as larrymoe implies PR). Notre Dame literally changed the pronunciation of QB Joe Theisman's name ( 'Theesman') to "Theisman" to bolster his chances for the trophy in 1970. Writers, TV-radio guys, former winners, etc. vote. Who really cares? Still a great CFB tradition. And always a matter of opinion. Even with all the nationally televised games for last several decades. Does it really matter? Does it matter like, long term health of the planet? No. Nothing in football does. Does it matter like for the future of the game? Ya, I think the over adulation of QBs and "stats" is bad for football. |
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Post by 44special on Aug 12, 2024 14:28:12 GMT -6
i would have loved to have seen staubach start in the nfl at the normal age.
lots of people hate the cowboys, but their drafting him before his naval commitment was over was a genius move.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 12, 2024 20:58:15 GMT -6
I agree the Heisman is a joke, but who would you pick last year and why do you feel that way about him? Daniels had almost 5,000 yards of offense and accounted for 50 TD’s with only 4 INT’s. LSU is perhaps a 6-6 team without him. Penix or the RB from Michigan would have been better choices IMO. Based on what? Admittedly, I don't watch much college football... It is actually a bit ironic, that Daniels seems like the guy you are claiming you want to see be the winner. Penix had a great year, and so did Corum. But both of those would be the "Best Player on the 'Best Team'" type of picks. With Daniels, you had a player who wasn't riding the wave of the elite team in 2023. But his offensive performance kept LSU in the top 15. |
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