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Post by jg78 on Aug 6, 2024 19:38:30 GMT -6
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 7, 2024 4:28:49 GMT -6
I watched the video. I am not sure what they are like the other 99% of the time. However we are all one bad decision way from losing our jobs or worse. Never let emotion, especially anger or frustration guide your actions.
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Post by CS on Aug 7, 2024 4:36:29 GMT -6
WTF is wrong with people
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Post by nhsehs on Aug 7, 2024 6:17:16 GMT -6
Too often, coaches think they have qualified immunity for doing things that are objectively insane.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 7, 2024 8:38:27 GMT -6
Too often, coaches think they have qualified immunity for doing things that are objectively insane. They don't think anything. Many coaches are just big, dumb, stupid animals drinking too many energy drinks and taking too much TRT. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 7, 2024 17:32:07 GMT -6
There’s a lot of football coaches who are good guys and do things the right way. Unfortunately, there’s also a lot of football coaches who are jerks. It’s one of the few professions, especially on the collegiate level, where cavemen still exist in significant numbers.
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Post by tripsclosed on Aug 7, 2024 21:25:14 GMT -6
There’s a lot of football coaches who are good guys and do things the right way. Unfortunately, there’s also a lot of football coaches who are jerks. It’s one of the few professions, especially on the collegiate level, where cavemen still exist in significant numbers. Oh heck yes. The power tripping and ego culture is still alive and well in CFB. Coach Vass from MDGA podcast has talked about how he refuses to go back to college ball because of his experience there, and I don't think his was the exception. It's like, we are here to coach some dam ball, no bs, right? Oh, my bad, I didn't realize we are also at the same time trying to recreate ancient and Medieval royalty culture and typical social hierarchies, and doing stuff like sending student assistants, grad assistants, analysts, etc out to get lunch to make sure they "know their place."  Cool stuff. (somebody's gotta get lunch, so that's why you do delivery, or, send the DC to get it one day, the DL coach to get it the next day, the OL coach the next day after that, one of the grad assistants the next day, etc, since we are all a team and in this together) People are so dumb (but to be fair, other animals do this kind of stupid chit, too) Lol |
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Post by silkyice on Aug 8, 2024 7:41:36 GMT -6
There’s a lot of football coaches who are good guys and do things the right way. Unfortunately, there’s also a lot of football coaches who are jerks. It’s one of the few professions, especially on the collegiate level, where cavemen still exist in significant numbers. Oh heck yes. The power tripping and ego culture is still alive and well in CFB. Coach Vass from MDGA podcast has talked about how he refuses to go back to college ball because of his experience there, and I don't think his was the exception. It's like, we are here to coach some dam ball, no bs, right? Oh, my bad, I didn't realize we are also at the same time trying to recreate ancient and Medieval royalty culture and typical social hierarchies, and doing stuff like sending student assistants, grad assistants, analysts, etc out to get lunch to make sure they "know their place." Cool stuff. (somebody's gotta get lunch, so that's why you do delivery, or, send the DC to get it one day, the DL coach to get it the next day, the OL coach the next day after that, one of the grad assistants the next day, etc, since we are all a team and in this together) People are so dumb (but to be fair, other animals do this kind of stupid chit, too) Lol Not sure I have ever thought you had a “bad take”. But that is an awful take. The dc at Alabama should go pick up lunch while one of the grad assistants could go do it? Get out of here. That isn’t some macho power play. The DC’s responsibilities are infinitely more. He doesn’t have time for any part of that. Stop what he is doing. Get everyone’s order. Go and order and pick up and check everyone’s order and then bring it all in. We are talking about a staff of 20 plus people. Oh yea, also make sure you have the perfect coverage call ready for when Georgia comes to town in three days. And make tons of recruiting calls that night. That extra hour not getting lunch could literally be a 100 million dollar decision. That is hyperbole for sure, but I could easily construct a situation where that is true. During that one hour, he comes up with exact right call to stop Georgia from winning the game. They now go on to win the national championship and he now gets a power 4 head job the next year and has a great 20 year head coach career. Your point about having a secretary order take out is valid though. Your point about some toxic situations existing in college is true. But being low man on totem pole and having to pick up lunch is someone just bitching. |
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 8, 2024 13:36:36 GMT -6
Definitely a pecking order among coaches on staff in most places and that is not all bad. As I read this thread it is two different issues. One is some coaches from Hoover HS being asshats to high school kids. That is wrong.
But in the case of the GA picking up lunch or meeting the delivery at the front desk? They know what they signed up for.
Now me personally I would probably be the HC or coordinator who would gladly go get the lunch because I would want to get out of the office a little.
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Post by tripsclosed on Aug 8, 2024 15:26:24 GMT -6
Oh heck yes. The power tripping and ego culture is still alive and well in CFB. Coach Vass from MDGA podcast has talked about how he refuses to go back to college ball because of his experience there, and I don't think his was the exception. It's like, we are here to coach some dam ball, no bs, right? Oh, my bad, I didn't realize we are also at the same time trying to recreate ancient and Medieval royalty culture and typical social hierarchies, and doing stuff like sending student assistants, grad assistants, analysts, etc out to get lunch to make sure they "know their place." Cool stuff. (somebody's gotta get lunch, so that's why you do delivery, or, send the DC to get it one day, the DL coach to get it the next day, the OL coach the next day after that, one of the grad assistants the next day, etc, since we are all a team and in this together) People are so dumb (but to be fair, other animals do this kind of stupid chit, too) Lol Not sure I have ever thought you had a “bad take”. But that is an awful take. The dc at Alabama should go pick up lunch while one of the grad assistants could go do it? Get out of here. That isn’t some macho power play. The DC’s responsibilities are infinitely more. He doesn’t have time for any part of that. Stop what he is doing. Get everyone’s order. Go and order and pick up and check everyone’s order and then bring it all in. We are talking about a staff of 20 plus people. Oh yea, also make sure you have the perfect coverage call ready for when Georgia comes to town in three days. And make tons of recruiting calls that night. That extra hour not getting lunch could literally be a 100 million dollar decision. That is hyperbole for sure, but I could easily construct a situation where that is true. During that one hour, he comes up with exact right call to stop Georgia from winning the game. They now go on to win the national championship and he now gets a power 4 head job the next year and has a great 20 year head coach career. Very fair points, coach, especially when it comes to getting lunch for an FBS staff of 20 or so people like you said, that's a little logistical nightmare. You have been complimentary of many of my posts on here, so I want to say I respect and appreciate you for calling me out for this and pointing this out. What's funny, like so many other things in life, before I included the DC in that list, it crossed my mind yeah might not have time for that, and i should have explored that thought more, because that is obviously going to be the case. Fair enough I think the issue to me is not that the low man on the totem pole is having to go get it, after all he has the least on his plate like you said, the issue is in how it's being done/said, it's not hey man can you go grab us lunch because the rest of us are busy and you have the least on your plate, it's a tone and implication in the words that says "hey b***h, go get us lunch cause you're low man on the totem pole and you need to be reminded of your place as an underling in the program's hierarchy." That chit is so dumb. Lol |
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 8, 2024 16:24:25 GMT -6
Bringing this back full circle, what posesses a grown man to thrust in a sexual way in the player's face while he is laying on the ground?
One of his own players even. (Not that it would be OK to do that to a member of another team either).
I can't believe I am even typing this to ask the question.
I have seen coaches get mad.
I have seen coaches grab a player.
I have seen coaches throw hats or headsets.
I have never seen something like this.
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Post by realdawg on Aug 8, 2024 16:50:54 GMT -6
ID10Ts What makes you think its ok to do this to any human being? Much less a kid? Much less one of your own players? You are suppossed to love and take care of them?  ? |
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Post by jg78 on Aug 8, 2024 17:43:24 GMT -6
I can’t see any way these coaches aren’t fired.
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Post by realdawg on Aug 8, 2024 19:01:19 GMT -6
Saw where they resigned.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 8, 2024 20:07:14 GMT -6
Rush Propst needs a job... |
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 8, 2024 20:31:59 GMT -6
Get out the syrup.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 9, 2024 6:40:22 GMT -6
At least all that happened before drones filming practice. |
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Post by 44special on Aug 9, 2024 7:03:03 GMT -6
the world i grew up in, this would not happen.
if it did, a dad would be up there beating hell out of someone.
and that would be ok.
but this definitely ain't the world i grew up in.
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Post by chi5hi on Aug 9, 2024 9:27:39 GMT -6
Knocking a HS kid to the ground like he did seems that it might be a violation of the law, doesn't it? I wonder if charges could be made against him...
Anyway, I wouldn't have a coach like that on my staff.
Kids don't know the nuances of the game. They're just trying to play and have some fun after school. We're supposed to teach and guide them along. That's why they call us "coach".
This guy has an anger problem.
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Post by blockandtackle on Aug 9, 2024 9:51:09 GMT -6
It’s Hoover.
This is the place to at made Rush Probst famous.
Since I’m not in Alabama, the only time i ever hear anything about them is when something scandalous happens there.
Nothing that happens there surprises me now.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 9, 2024 10:22:16 GMT -6
Knocking a HS kid to the ground like he did seems that it might be a violation of the law, doesn't it? I wonder if charges could be made against him... Anyway, I wouldn't have a coach like that on my staff. Kids don't know the nuances of the game. They're just trying to play and have some fun after school. We're supposed to teach and guide them along. That's why they call us "coach". This guy has an anger problem. Attorneys are asking for State and Federal charges to be brought. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Aug 9, 2024 11:51:22 GMT -6
Knocking a HS kid to the ground like he did seems that it might be a violation of the law, doesn't it? I wonder if charges could be made against him... Anyway, I wouldn't have a coach like that on my staff. Kids don't know the nuances of the game. They're just trying to play and have some fun after school. We're supposed to teach and guide them along. That's why they call us "coach". This guy has an anger problem. Attorneys are asking for State and Federal charges to be brought. Holy crap. This is a wild situation! |
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Post by brophy on Aug 9, 2024 12:06:50 GMT -6
Bringing this back full circle, what posesses a grown man to thrust in a sexual way in the player's face while he is laying on the ground? don't kill the messenger, buuuuuut.... There is a certain machismo of domination that cavemen possess. Testosterone driven ego is a real ****er. Another angle? I've had coaches berate us for EVER being on the floor, and that if you did you were executing a cocksucker block maybe today sexual fluidity is cool, but not when I was playing  - I mean, if you get BEAT in the trenches, there is never a time when there is consolation or counseling going on....because you got your manhood 'tooken'. Yeah, that comes across insanely banal, but you can't negotiate with the squat rack, you have to bring the intensity to do more than just survive to the competition. No one here is going to defend the actions of the video, so a point I would raise is does the program's structure (leadership) come into play when accepting a job? Look at the pariahs made of Baylor, Penn State, and even Northwestern. Its the court of public opinion and even uninvolved staff members are tainted with (founded/unfounded) program scandals. I know most of us may take any gig available and assume the guideposts are in place that things couldn't possibly go off the rails in this day and age, but take for example the mumblings in Colorado. Did those coordinator jobs become impossible to fill because if it didn't work out you would be associated with a notorious era/program becoming impossible to hire? |
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Post by brophy on Aug 9, 2024 12:16:51 GMT -6
It’s Hoover. This is the place to at made Rush Probst famous. to be fair, there a hundred Hoovers in the South, coach |
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Post by blb on Aug 9, 2024 12:51:11 GMT -6
It’s Hoover. This is the place to at made Rush Probst famous. to be fair, there a hundred Hoovers in the South, coach I know of some coaches who were highly successful in Michigan who left to take head jobs "Down South (FL or GA)." None of them lasted more than three years. One bailed after Spring Practice. It's a different world, for better or worse. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 9, 2024 13:26:59 GMT -6
Knocking a HS kid to the ground like he did seems that it might be a violation of the law, doesn't it? I wonder if charges could be made against him... Anyway, I wouldn't have a coach like that on my staff. Kids don't know the nuances of the game. They're just trying to play and have some fun after school. We're supposed to teach and guide them along. That's why they call us "coach". This guy has an anger problem. Attorneys are asking for State and Federal charges to be brought. In no way should this guy keep his teaching license, or be allowed to coach anywhere again, buuuuuut... Federal charges and potential prison time is insane. |
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Post by silkyice on Aug 9, 2024 16:08:18 GMT -6
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Post by blockandtackle on Aug 9, 2024 17:57:28 GMT -6
It’s Hoover. This is the place to at made Rush Probst famous. to be fair, there a hundred Hoovers in the South, coach Your comment made me go back to make sure we were literally talking about the same place in Alabama. Yep. And yeah, I know of a hundred places just like it (and worse), too. |
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Post by brophy on Aug 9, 2024 19:45:41 GMT -6
to be fair, there a hundred Hoovers in the South, coach Your comment made me go back to make sure we were literally talking about the same place in Alabama. Yep. And yeah, I know of a hundred places just like it (and worse), too. The reference to "Hoover" here isnt the video clip. Its the Mega Programs run with a bigger budget than some colleges |
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Post by 44special on Aug 10, 2024 8:28:16 GMT -6
don't know what the "south" is like, although i have no doubt that it's different from the north, and that i wouldn't make it 3 years up there.
been in texas all my life. don't know if texas would be lumped in with "the south". and west texas is kinda different than the rest of the state. not really sure how to explain that, but it's true.
but i've never seen or heard of anything like the incident we're talking about. in any part of texas.
i did interview once for a job at the largest classification with a head coach who became a well known name as a d1 head coach. hadn't heard anything bad about him, but he had to leave the interview for awhile, and i sat in the coaches office with his assistants.
i think i'm a normal guy, or at least for the purposes of this discussion; worked on lots of staffs, worked construction and similar jobs, worked in the oilfield, no problems there.
but listening to his coaching staff talk was kinda disgusting and sick. when i left the interview, (i was offered the job later), after percolating a bit, i decided i just didn't want to spend any of my life spending any time with that group.
i could see the possibility of something like that could happen with that group.
never heard of anything, and maybe i badly misjudged those guys, but ugh.
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Cool stuff.
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- I mean, if you get BEAT in the trenches, there is never a time when there is consolation or counseling going on....because you got your manhood 'tooken'. Yeah, that comes across insanely banal, but you can't negotiate with the squat rack, you have to bring the intensity to do more than just survive to the competition. 