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Post by els36 on Jul 3, 2024 10:29:37 GMT -6
How would you handle? I have a coordinator that is leaving (changed jobs and can no longer coach). My thoughts are to promote a guy on staff, but he has limited experience, but I would support him as much as possible as an HC. I have also tossed the idea around of bringing a new OC in, but I feel it is really late in the game and that person would have to learn a new system quickly. Just wanted to get some perspective from others. Thanks!
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Post by chi5hi on Jul 3, 2024 10:35:23 GMT -6
How would you handle? I have a coordinator that is leaving (changed jobs and can no longer coach). My thoughts are to promote a guy on staff, but he has limited experience, but I would support him as much as possible as an HC. I have also tossed the idea around of bringing a new OC in, but I feel it is really late in the game and that person would have to learn a new system quickly. Just wanted to get some perspective from others. Thanks! I suggest that you depend on the guy that you know and have worked with. An AC who has been in your system usually can be depended upon to have considerable loyalty to the system. Anyway...my $.02. |
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Post by irishdog on Jul 3, 2024 10:52:07 GMT -6
In one of my jobs I inherited an assistant who I met with, and ended up giving him the DC responsibility. Not only did he do a great job for us, but when I left I recommended to the AD to hire him as my replacement. He did, and the team went on to win conference championships, state tournament appearances, and a state title. More importantly he became a good friend.
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Post by CS on Jul 3, 2024 10:59:32 GMT -6
Promote
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Post by 44special on Jul 3, 2024 11:59:03 GMT -6
you don't call the plays?
when i first became a dc, i was promoted from within. i had been promoted thru the system until i eventually reached the dc position. my hc designed the defense, i called it on friday night. i gradually had more input into what we were doing over a few years, until i was capable of doing the job independently.
my opinon - when at all possible, promote from within.
having said that, you better really trust the guy implicitly to call plays, because the play calling will get your butt fired faster than just about anything else.
everybody in the stands, plus all administrators and teachers on campus can call plays (they think), while they know next to nothing about defense, so the pressure on filling that position is greatly magnified.
while i'm all for promoting from within, my advice would be to be very careful on this one.
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Post by 44special on Jul 3, 2024 12:02:30 GMT -6
might mention i was born,raised, and coached in texas. i don't know how it is in other states, but here, firing coaches is extremely common.
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Post by coachlit on Jul 3, 2024 12:03:57 GMT -6
Promote. I learned the hard way - guys still available this late in the offseason are unemployed for a reason.
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Post by dblwngr on Jul 3, 2024 12:05:53 GMT -6
We just had the same thing happen a few weeks ago with our Oline coach (which I consider a coordinator position). Not many Oline coaches to be found in general let alone this late in the game. That said, I have to be the main guy again along with my D cord. position.
My weekend workload just got heavier but like it was mentioned above, bringing someone in this late and expecting them to learn a system is probably not the answer.
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Post by fantom on Jul 3, 2024 12:11:21 GMT -6
How would you handle? I have a coordinator that is leaving (changed jobs and can no longer coach). My thoughts are to promote a guy on staff, but he has limited experience, but I would support him as much as possible as an HC. I have also tossed the idea around of bringing a new OC in, but I feel it is really late in the game and that person would have to learn a new system quickly. Just wanted to get some perspective from others. Thanks! There's only one way for him to get experience. |
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Post by realdawg on Jul 3, 2024 15:50:20 GMT -6
This late I would promote. I would also have a pretty good hand in what goes on with that side of the ball. If I weren’t calling the other side. I’d probably approach it more as I’m gonna call it. But I need you to be my right hand man. After you’ve seen how I’ve done it. And we are both comfortable. I’ll turn it over to you.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 3, 2024 16:02:58 GMT -6
Promote. I learned the hard way - guys still available this late in the offseason are unemployed for a reason. I became a much better coach when I was recruited/hired earlier in the year. |
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Post by els36 on Jul 3, 2024 20:51:11 GMT -6
you don't call the plays? when i first became a dc, i was promoted from within. i had been promoted thru the system until i eventually reached the dc position. my hc designed the defense, i called it on friday night. i gradually had more input into what we were doing over a few years, until i was capable of doing the job independently. my opinon - when at all possible, promote from within. having said that, you better really trust the guy implicitly to call plays, because the play calling will get your butt fired faster than just about anything else. everybody in the stands, plus all administrators and teachers on campus can call plays (they think), while they know next to nothing about defense, so the pressure on filling that position is greatly magnified. while i'm all for promoting from within, my advice would be to be very careful on this one. I call the defense. I’d be losing OC. My original post wasn’t clear. |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 4, 2024 6:58:00 GMT -6
our Oline coach (which I consider a coordinator position). FACTS. NO CAP. |
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Post by 44special on Jul 4, 2024 11:40:36 GMT -6
you don't call the plays? when i first became a dc, i was promoted from within. i had been promoted thru the system until i eventually reached the dc position. my hc designed the defense, i called it on friday night. i gradually had more input into what we were doing over a few years, until i was capable of doing the job independently. my opinon - when at all possible, promote from within. having said that, you better really trust the guy implicitly to call plays, because the play calling will get your butt fired faster than just about anything else. everybody in the stands, plus all administrators and teachers on campus can call plays (they think), while they know next to nothing about defense, so the pressure on filling that position is greatly magnified. while i'm all for promoting from within, my advice would be to be very careful on this one. I call the defense. I’d be losing OC. My original post wasn’t clear. no problem. that's not the usual situation, but it's a long way from being unheard of. i did the same myself. it was probably clear enough, which is more than i can say about myself most days. again, though, you better really trust him to call plays. if he's been calling plays with jv or something, it can give you an idea of how he operates. if he hasn't been calling, i would have a real hard time turning it over to him. you don't want to get into the season and realize it ain't gonna work and then have to change. you really don't want to have to call defense AND offense on friday night. i've also done that, and it ain't exactly an ideal situation. |
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Post by jg78 on Jul 8, 2024 7:58:35 GMT -6
This is a great point. The optics of offense are more significant than defense. More strategy decisions (that would involve HC input) are also made on the offensive side of the ball.
We all coach at different levels and that greatly affects staff composition. Coaching at a rural private school in Alabama (where your staff might be volunteers and the basketball coach) and a behemoth high school in the Dallas metro are two very different things.
All that said…
If I am the HC and I know I am very good offensive mind, I am almost certainly calling the offense regardless of the level.
If I am the HC and a hell of defensive mind, I would stick to defense at higher levels where I am likely to be able hire good people. If I am at lower level where that may not be the case, I am going to take the time to develop on that side of the ball and call it myself.
As for your situation, it is hard to say. If I were totally uncomfortable on offense and you think your assistant at least has potential, takes it seriously, etc., I would probably let him handle it in the interim while I looked around for someone more seasoned. If that didn’t work out, you might have to sink or swim with the inexperienced guy - but that would only be if I were offensively inept. I would do both sides of the ball before handing a coordinator position to someone I didn’t trust.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 8, 2024 12:51:27 GMT -6
This is a great point. The optics of offense are more significant than defense. More strategy decisions (that would involve HC input) are also made on the offensive side of the ball. We all coach at different levels and that greatly affects staff composition. Coaching at a rural private school in Alabama (where your staff might be volunteers and the basketball coach) and a behemoth high school in the Dallas metro are two very different things. All that said… If I am the HC and I know I am very good offensive mind, I am almost certainly calling the offense regardless of the level. If I am the HC and a hell of defensive mind, I would stick to defense at higher levels where I am likely to be able hire good people. If I am at lower level where that may not be the case, I am going to take the time to develop on that side of the ball and call it myself. As for your situation, it is hard to say. If I were totally uncomfortable on offense and you think your assistant at least has potential, takes it seriously, etc., I would probably let him handle it in the interim while I looked around for someone more seasoned. If that didn’t work out, you might have to sink or swim with the inexperienced guy - but that would only be if I were offensively inept. I would do both sides of the ball before handing a coordinator position to someone I didn’t trust. 100% Great post |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 8, 2024 13:33:33 GMT -6
This is a great point. The optics of offense are more significant than defense. More strategy decisions (that would involve HC input) are also made on the offensive side of the ball. We all coach at different levels and that greatly affects staff composition. Coaching at a rural private school in Alabama (where your staff might be volunteers and the basketball coach) and a behemoth high school in the Dallas metro are two very different things. All that said… If I am the HC and I know I am very good offensive mind, I am almost certainly calling the offense regardless of the level. If I am the HC and a hell of defensive mind, I would stick to defense at higher levels where I am likely to be able hire good people. If I am at lower level where that may not be the case, I am going to take the time to develop on that side of the ball and call it myself. As for your situation, it is hard to say. If I were totally uncomfortable on offense and you think your assistant at least has potential, takes it seriously, etc., I would probably let him handle it in the interim while I looked around for someone more seasoned. If that didn’t work out, you might have to sink or swim with the inexperienced guy - but that would only be if I were offensively inept. I would do both sides of the ball before handing a coordinator position to someone I didn’t trust. A tremendous mentor of mine who was a defensive guy, but who called offense as a HC. He said, "If you're a HC you better have a hand on the offense. Nobody gets fired for giving up 35 points, but they do get fired when you get shut out." |
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