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Post by hlb2 on Jun 4, 2024 16:15:16 GMT -6
The good ol' FHSAA has just approved NIL in Florida. For those that have gone through this, how has it been? Is your state school of choice like FL is (where transfers run rampant)? Just wondering what the landscape of high school football in the Sunshine State is fixing to look like.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 5, 2024 4:46:53 GMT -6
I read yesterday that 30 something states have NIL (can't remember if it was 34 or 36). We have it in Michigan. Players can profit but schools can't form collectives. At least at our school it hasn't really impacted us. Not sure about others in the area.
Many districts are school of choice in our area, although we aren't yet but are starting to open up to out of district kids at the elementary level. Transfers were already rampant in school of choice districts before NIL though. I wouldn't say the new rules have made things worse.
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Post by irishdog on Jun 17, 2024 16:15:10 GMT -6
High school NIL??? WTF are we doing?!?! How Pathetic!!
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Post by hlb2 on Jun 18, 2024 5:39:51 GMT -6
High school NIL??? WTF are we doing?!?! How Pathetic!! Coming to a state near you! I believe it's 38 now have it in their language for their athletic associations. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2024 17:59:52 GMT -6
High school NIL??? WTF are we doing?!?! How Pathetic!! Coming to a state near you! I believe it's 38 now have it in their language for their athletic associations. Yes but irishdog it really isn't THAT big a deal. The state NIL language probably just says that a HS kid can receive $$$ and not lose their eligibility. Just like a kid who might be an actor/actress could get paid while in HS. If collectives become a thing at the HS level, at places with open enrollment and school choice...well then we have entered a territory of the most unpure. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2024 18:03:19 GMT -6
Coming to a state near you! I believe it's 38 now have it in their language for their athletic associations. Yes but irishdog it really isn't THAT big a deal. The state NIL language probably just says that a HS kid can receive $$$ and not lose their eligibility. Just like a kid who might be an actor/actress could get paid while in HS. If collectives become a thing at the HS level, at places with open enrollment and school choice...well then we have entered a territory of the most unpure. So, private schools in Illinois?  |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2024 18:20:03 GMT -6
Yes but irishdog it really isn't THAT big a deal. The state NIL language probably just says that a HS kid can receive $$$ and not lose their eligibility. Just like a kid who might be an actor/actress could get paid while in HS. If collectives become a thing at the HS level, at places with open enrollment and school choice...well then we have entered a territory of the most unpure. So, private schools in Illinois? Perhaps..but it could also not be as significant as some worry. Unlike universities, those schools still have "regular students" who participate in athletics. Some private schools in my area, in an attempt to beef up their athletic prowess, started to field teams with kids who wouldn't ordinarily attend the school but whose athletic prowess seemed to open some doors so to speak. After a season or two some of the grandpappies, the well off type that would fund a "collective", started to ask why their darling grandbabies were not playing and it became a thing. The pipeline seemed to dry up, and the rosters started going back to what they were before. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2024 18:31:20 GMT -6
So, private schools in Illinois? Perhaps..but it could also not be as significant as some worry. Unlike universities, those schools still have "regular students" who participate in athletics. Some private schools in my area, in an attempt to beef up their athletic prowess, started to field teams with kids who wouldn't ordinarily attend the school but whose athletic prowess seemed to open some doors so to speak. After a season or two some of the grandpappies, the well off type that would fund a "collective", started to ask why their darling grandbabies were not playing and it became a thing. The pipeline seemed to dry up, and the rosters started going back to what they were before. Privates in Illinois have been loading up talent for going on 50 years for football. Some get more involved than others. NIL will just become a way for rich public schools to get more talent. They'll be able to pay kids. Not that they need help. Most of the successful small public schools in Illinois are white flight bedroom communities filled with the well to do, while the rest are privates. At this point, your smaller, blue collar communities need a once in a lifetime athletic class to have a chance. Meanwhile kids will continue to flock to the schools surrounding cities like Decatur, Springfield, Bloomington Normal, Rockford, Champaign, Peoria, etc. Just look at the playoffs. It's all privates or these collar communities playing in the championships and in the deep rounds for the most part- Byron, Tolono Rochester, Maroa Forsyth, Downs Tri Valley, Monticello, Washington (although they're on the bigger end and much better at wrestling) etc. Wrestling is an entire animal. Yorkville Christian ROLLED to a state championship in the 2nd year of having a program. I think they won basketball that year too. I don't think they had a single sport 6 years ago. |
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Post by irishdog on Jun 19, 2024 20:17:58 GMT -6
Coming to a state near you! I believe it's 38 now have it in their language for their athletic associations. Yes but irishdog it really isn't THAT big a deal. The state NIL language probably just says that a HS kid can receive $$$ and not lose their eligibility. Just like a kid who might be an actor/actress could get paid while in HS. If collectives become a thing at the HS level, at places with open enrollment and school choice...well then we have entered a territory of the most unpure. It's a HUGE deal. I was a kid who played football and used to get paid too. In the summer picking and packing fruit., or working for my dad in his shop. HS actors aren't paid while acting in a school play. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2024 20:23:46 GMT -6
Yes but irishdog it really isn't THAT big a deal. The state NIL language probably just says that a HS kid can receive $$$ and not lose their eligibility. Just like a kid who might be an actor/actress could get paid while in HS. If collectives become a thing at the HS level, at places with open enrollment and school choice...well then we have entered a territory of the most unpure. It's a HUGE deal. I was a kid who played football and used to get paid too. In the summer picking and packing fruit., or working for my dad in his shop. HS actors aren't paid while acting in a school play. NIL doesn't allow pay for play either. It is against the rules- so if someone wanted to do that (cheat) they could have done it (cheated) at any time in history. Right? The NIL legislation probably just states that a HS student can not lose his/her amateur status for being paid for the use of their name, image or likeness. It doesn't say that Fast Eddie of Fast Eddie's used car lot can give Jimmy Joe $1,000 so he will play for the Colston County Coyotes. |
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Post by irishdog on Jun 19, 2024 21:23:20 GMT -6
It's a HUGE deal. I was a kid who played football and used to get paid too. In the summer picking and packing fruit., or working for my dad in his shop. HS actors aren't paid while acting in a school play. NIL doesn't allow pay for play either. It is against the rules- so if someone wanted to do that (cheat) they could have done it (cheated) at any time in history. Right? The NIL legislation probably just states that a HS student can not lose his/her amateur status for being paid for the use of their name, image or likeness. It doesn't say that Fast Eddie of Fast Eddie's used car lot can give Jimmy Joe $1,000 so he will play for the Colston County Coyotes. On its face value you are correct. However, it will open the door to a high school transfer portal that will get out of control. Worse, how many 16-17 year olds have the maturity to manage their NIL without having to be reliant on scumbag "agents" only looking out for their own share of the pie. How many schools/coaches will be forced to keep up with the Joneses to try and keep a kid/kids who are now only motivated by the almighty dollar and only loyal to themselves? Good luck wit dat. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 19, 2024 22:49:06 GMT -6
NIL doesn't allow pay for play either. It is against the rules- so if someone wanted to do that (cheat) they could have done it (cheated) at any time in history. Right? The NIL legislation probably just states that a HS student can not lose his/her amateur status for being paid for the use of their name, image or likeness. It doesn't say that Fast Eddie of Fast Eddie's used car lot can give Jimmy Joe $1,000 so he will play for the Colston County Coyotes. On its face value you are correct. However, it will open the door to a high school transfer portal that will get out of control. Worse, how many 16-17 year olds have the maturity to manage their NIL without having to be reliant on scumbag "agents" only looking out for their own share of the pie. How many schools/coaches will be forced to keep up with the Joneses to try and keep a kid/kids who are now only motivated by the almighty dollar and only loyal to themselves? Good luck wit dat. manage their NIL? Coach, when we are talking about NIL legislation at the state level is simply laws that prohibit the athletic association from declaring an athlete no longer an amateur due do capitalizing on their athletic fame. So now Hickory Paint and Supply could give Jimmy Chitwood $50 bucks to put a poster up in store saying "Don't get caught watching the paint dry. When I paint a picket fence, I get my paint at Hickory Paint and Supply" if they wanted. Maybe its just my part of the country, but I don't see a bunch of "collectives" just giving away money in HS. Like I mentioned, pay for play is against the rules and if someone wanted to cheat that rule, they could have given money to HS kids throughout history. As far as a transfer portal, that is going to depend on 1) the LEA and how they handle school enrollment and 2) the athletic association and its rules on such matters. |
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Post by hlb2 on Jun 20, 2024 6:31:10 GMT -6
Coming to a state near you! I believe it's 38 now have it in their language for their athletic associations. Yes but irishdog it really isn't THAT big a deal. The state NIL language probably just says that a HS kid can receive $$$ and not lose their eligibility. Just like a kid who might be an actor/actress could get paid while in HS. If collectives become a thing at the HS level, at places with open enrollment and school choice...well then we have entered a territory of the most unpure. That last statement = Florida right now. Open enrollment and school of choice. It's been the wild wild west here for awhile. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 20, 2024 7:22:27 GMT -6
Yes but irishdog it really isn't THAT big a deal. The state NIL language probably just says that a HS kid can receive $$$ and not lose their eligibility. Just like a kid who might be an actor/actress could get paid while in HS. If collectives become a thing at the HS level, at places with open enrollment and school choice...well then we have entered a territory of the most unpure. That last statement = Florida right now. Open enrollment and school of choice. It's been the wild wild west here for awhile. Yes, but are collectives now forming due to the change in policy? Groups pooling money to create "no show" endorsement opportunities to entice people to attend certain schools? Because that is where the concept of NIL really goes off the rails. |
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Post by irishdog on Jun 20, 2024 8:05:39 GMT -6
I guess what I'm concerned with is the amount of money that will drive NIL for high school athletes. You already see it with college athletes. Who's to say it won't happen at the high school level given the media exposure a number of high school football programs already receive regionally and nationally? Should my old HS teammates and I (or you or yours) begin to think about reparations from our schools for NIL used for our team photos, or senior photos on the promotional posters put up around the town that were created by financial donations from local businesses? At the collegiate level I can somewhat understand NIL, but at the high school level?? I hold fast. No way.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jun 20, 2024 10:10:12 GMT -6
I guess what I'm concerned with is the amount of money that will drive NIL for high school athletes. You already see it with college athletes. Who's to say it won't happen at the high school level given the media exposure a number of high school football programs already receive regionally and nationally? Should my old HS teammates and I (or you or yours) begin to think about reparations from our schools for NIL used for our team photos, or senior photos on the promotional posters put up around the town that were created by financial donations from local businesses? At the collegiate level I can somewhat understand NIL, but at the high school level?? I hold fast. No way. Not quite sure where the reparations/retroactive NIL pay angle came into play? No one has talked about that at the college level to my knowledge... |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 20, 2024 10:27:52 GMT -6
I guess what I'm concerned with is the amount of money that will drive NIL for high school athletes. You already see it with college athletes. Who's to say it won't happen at the high school level given the media exposure a number of high school football programs already receive regionally and nationally? Should my old HS teammates and I (or you or yours) begin to think about reparations from our schools for NIL used for our team photos, or senior photos on the promotional posters put up around the town that were created by financial donations from local businesses? At the collegiate level I can somewhat understand NIL, but at the high school level?? I hold fast. No way. Not quite sure where the reparations/retroactive NIL pay angle came into play? No one has talked about that at the college level to my knowledge... There have been talks of lawsuits- the most notable from members of the 1983 North Carolina State basketball team looking to be compensated for the decades of use from clips of their championship game and such. But I tend to think that at the $$ at the HS level in all facets really make this so wildly different than anything at the college level. |
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Post by hlb2 on Jun 20, 2024 11:30:03 GMT -6
That last statement = Florida right now. Open enrollment and school of choice. It's been the wild wild west here for awhile. Yes, but are collectives now forming due to the change in policy? Groups pooling money to create "no show" endorsement opportunities to entice people to attend certain schools? Because that is where the concept of NIL really goes off the rails. It's still quite new here, so nothing yet, but this is Florida so nothing escapes me when it comes to the craziness that might happen (haven't ya'll heard of Florida Man?). |
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Post by coachdawhip on Jun 29, 2024 15:37:28 GMT -6
GA has it, had it for a while.
Hasn't changed the landscape of anything yet, probably won't.
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Post by etat8 on Jul 4, 2024 8:05:09 GMT -6
In college football, programs are making money. Or at least generating huge amounts of revenue even if they just "break even" after expenses. Not the case across 90% of the HS football landscape. I don't think NIL will be the gamechanger it has been on the next level for that reason.
Maybe at a few, isolated programs and in the top private leagues you will see some money fly around. But certainly nothing like the 6 figure base salaries you're seeing in P4 football. How many coaches at the "big" programs in your state are unpaid or working for $500 in an envelope a couple times a year? If programs cant muster the support now to pay those guys, I don't see how they'll figure a way to do more than maybe find a few thousand to give the "can't miss" kids.
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Post by fantom on Aug 28, 2024 12:04:31 GMT -6
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