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Post by carookie on May 28, 2024 15:32:35 GMT -6
Once had a player last name Stack. Outstanding RB but dumb as soup. Since we didn't two-platoon he had to practice somewhere on defense so that was FS. Put him as far away from ball as possible so he could do least damage if he ever had to play. To wit: During two-a-days when installing 70 Stack Blitz while he was in he asks, "Coach - does that mean I blitz?" Reminds me of when I had a Mike linebacker named "Will", and a Will linebacker named "Sam". My Sam linebacker was luckily named Brian. |
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Post by olliebaba14 on May 28, 2024 15:50:46 GMT -6
I’ve got five of them
1. From when I was playing- we have a no play. Come up to the line say down set hut- Go Go. We almost get them to jump Are you OK but our RG gets up and points at the defense. False start us.
2. From when I was playing- going on quick snap. On second sound the qb goes down set Richard. Qb sneaks for a conversion but gets flagged for USC.
3. From a team I was watching- this was a 8-10 age bracket team. 4 coaches all 4 coaches kids played Qb and the 3 backs. No one else touched the ball all game. QB gets tired of dad riding him and fakes an injury. Team decides to direct snap it with no training. They have the lead in a 7-6 game. Instead of kneeling they try to run a sweep and score. Snapped over RBs head and defense recovers with 5 seconds left on their own 5. Defense got a stop and they won
4. A team of 10-12 age kids I was coaching. We were not very good and wound up punching above our weight and playing the 1 seed in the semi final. A lot of kids saw for the first time they were outmatched and begged to be taken off the field. We finally give up a long run and we are down 14-0 with 5 mins left. I’m running the ball to end the game. I hear from the stands- what is this garbage play calling. So I call a pass- 60 yard pick six.
5. A team I saw of kids in that same age bracket would try to throw an INT on 4th down instead of punting. Only problem is it would be incomplete and would be turnover on downs..
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Post by tripsclosed on May 28, 2024 22:30:24 GMT -6
Once had a player last name Stack. Outstanding RB but dumb as soup. Since we didn't two-platoon he had to practice somewhere on defense so that was FS. Put him as far away from ball as possible so he could do least damage if he ever had to play. To wit: During two-a-days when installing 70 Stack Blitz while he was in he asks, "Coach - does that mean I blitz?" This is exactly why I don't believe in having terms of any kind as any common first and last names-whether it's position names, plays, motions, formations, alignments, pressure paths, techniques, but especially, checks and on-field player-to-player communication calls. This is seriously something that could literaly cost you a game or season. I'd hate to lose a game or season because someone got confused when I could have made things less confusing. Why take that chance when just a little effort in designing a terminology database could solve about 99/100 possible instances of this kind of stuff... |
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Post by bobgoodman on May 29, 2024 6:31:55 GMT -6
1. From when I was playing- we have a no play. Come up to the line say down set hut- Go Go. We almost get them to jump Are you OK but our RG gets up and points at the defense. False start us. 2. From when I was playing- going on quick snap. On second sound the qb goes down set Richard. Qb sneaks for a conversion but gets flagged for USC.  1. Is there an "Are you OK" play? 2. Did the referee say "Richard" is an illegal signal? Meanwhile on punt coverage, I coach killing the ball by recovering it like a fumble. Picking the ball up? Well, OK, but better protect yourself until you hear the whistle. |
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Post by olliebaba14 on May 29, 2024 7:58:03 GMT -6
No idea why the AI typed that out. My fault. LOL
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 29, 2024 12:27:47 GMT -6
In 50 years of coaching I've seen a lot of plays that make me question the capacity for stupidity of some of my players. Here's one: I was acting as the scout team QB, and I sent one of my less intellectually gifted kids out to catch a screen pass. I very carefully explained where I wanted him to go, and all he had to do was to "turn around and show me your numbers." I drop back, and as I release the ball, he turns as told, and procedes to pull his scrimmage vest up over his face. The ball hits him right in the chest. His explanation:"But coach, you told me to show you my numbers!" Well... You did. Lol. |
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Post by platypus on May 29, 2024 12:37:10 GMT -6
After a safety, the ensuing kickoff/punt was done out of shotgun formation, ball snapped and then punted. What if they had snapped the ball over the punters head and another safety occurred?
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Post by fantom on May 29, 2024 13:05:39 GMT -6
After a safety, the ensuing kickoff/punt was done out of shotgun formation, ball snapped and then punted. What if they had snapped the ball over the punters head and another safety occurred? So many questions: What level was this? Why would anybody do this? Is snapping the ball even legal? Did they misunderstand the rule and think that they had to punt from a punt formation? |
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Post by platypus on May 29, 2024 13:16:41 GMT -6
After a safety, the ensuing kickoff/punt was done out of shotgun formation, ball snapped and then punted. What if they had snapped the ball over the punters head and another safety occurred? So many questions: What level was this? Why would anybody do this? Is snapping the ball even legal? Did they misunderstand the rule and think that they had to punt from a punt formation? 2011 Arkansas High School football, 4A level. It was Subiaco Academy vs Mena. Subiaco was the punting team and they have always struggled in football. I wanna say the HC for Mena talked to the white hat about it for a moment and if it was legal. Due to it being such a blowout I think the white hat shrugged it off and told the HC not to worry about it. |
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Post by bignose on May 29, 2024 14:13:40 GMT -6
After a safety, the ensuing kickoff/punt was done out of shotgun formation, ball snapped and then punted. What if they had snapped the ball over the punters head and another safety occurred? There is no snap for a kick after a safety. It's a free kick and can either be punted or kicked off of a tee. If they thought that they had to snap it, the coach wins the "Idiot of the Day" award. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on May 29, 2024 14:53:05 GMT -6
I need to hear from a rules expert if this was even legal? Or are the officials sharing this award with the coaches?
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Post by bobgoodman on May 29, 2024 15:08:24 GMT -6
After a safety, the ensuing kickoff/punt was done out of shotgun formation, ball snapped and then punted. What if they had snapped the ball over the punters head and another safety occurred? So many questions: What level was this? Why would anybody do this? Is snapping the ball even legal? Did they misunderstand the rule and think that they had to punt from a punt formation? I don't think the officials are ordinarily supposed to interfere if more than one player of the kicking team handles the ball before the free kick, but it would be very hard for them to not have a lot of players offside at the time of the kick if they did this. NCAA rules allow the ball to be kicked from any point behind the spot, but Fed requires the punt to be from within 1 step of the spot. If the ball had been "snapped" over the punter's head, the ball would continue to be ready for play unless it went someplace it would be dangerous to continue from. But unless the whole officiating crew is composed of meanies, they should do some preventive officiating to keep any of these scenarios from happening. |
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Post by blb on May 30, 2024 6:54:37 GMT -6
Once had a player last name Stack. Outstanding RB but dumb as soup. Since we didn't two-platoon he had to practice somewhere on defense so that was FS. Put him as far away from ball as possible so he could do least damage if he ever had to play. To wit: During two-a-days when installing 70 Stack Blitz while he was in he asks, "Coach - does that mean I blitz?" This is exactly why I don't believe in having terms of any kind as any common first and last names-whether it's position names, plays, motions, formations, alignments, pressure paths, techniques, but especially, checks and on-field player-to-player communication calls. This is seriously something that could literaly cost you a game or season. I'd hate to lose a game or season because someone got confused when I could have made things less confusing. Why take that chance when just a little effort in designing a terminology database could solve about 99/100 possible instances of this kind of stuff... "Stack" is not a common last (much less first) name, at least around here. One of only two players I ever had with that moniker. Should I eliminate a viable alignment-call for our LBers-Front 7 because a backup FS who's smart as mud and unlikely ever to play there doesn't "get it"? |
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Post by fantom on May 30, 2024 9:52:07 GMT -6
I need to hear from a rules expert if this was even legal? Or are the officials sharing this award with the coaches? From the OP's follow-up, in which he said that the coach had a long conference with the officials, it seems that, with the game a blowout, the official finally decided, "Oh, go ahead. What possible difference could it make? Let's finish up and get out of here." |
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Post by coachwoodall on May 30, 2024 9:58:16 GMT -6
If you are REALLY talking about dumbest on the field, well we have all hitched our cart to the decision making processes of 16 year olds.....
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Post by silkyice on May 30, 2024 10:25:49 GMT -6
If you are REALLY talking about dumbest on the field, well we have all hitched our cart to the decision making processes of 16 year olds..... Hahahahaha, but good news, we are also competing against other 16 year olds. |
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Post by freezeoption on May 30, 2024 10:51:00 GMT -6
Yes and that 16 yr old can cost a person their job.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 30, 2024 10:58:05 GMT -6
If you are REALLY talking about dumbest on the field, well we have all hitched our cart to the decision making processes of 16 year olds..... Hahahahaha, but good news, we are also competing against other 16 year olds. I have yet to meet a 16 year old that is signing checks.... |
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Post by tripsclosed on May 30, 2024 11:46:57 GMT -6
This is exactly why I don't believe in having terms of any kind as any common first and last names-whether it's position names, plays, motions, formations, alignments, pressure paths, techniques, but especially, checks and on-field player-to-player communication calls. This is seriously something that could literaly cost you a game or season. I'd hate to lose a game or season because someone got confused when I could have made things less confusing. Why take that chance when just a little effort in designing a terminology database could solve about 99/100 possible instances of this kind of stuff... "Stack" is not a common last (much less first) name, at least around here. One of only two players I ever had with that moniker. Should I eliminate a viable alignment-call for our LBers-Front 7 because a backup FS who's smart as mud and unlikely ever to play there doesn't "get it"? In your specific example I get it, but would still have the same thinking as a general principle |
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Post by blb on May 30, 2024 13:25:02 GMT -6
"Stack" is not a common last (much less first) name, at least around here. One of only two players I ever had with that moniker. Should I eliminate a viable alignment-call for our LBers-Front 7 because a backup FS who's smart as mud and unlikely ever to play there doesn't "get it"? In your specific example I get it, but would still have the same thinking as a general principle you're not wrong. But that may limit you sometimes too. |
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Post by tripsclosed on May 30, 2024 20:26:12 GMT -6
In your specific example I get it, but would still have the same thinking as a general principle you're not wrong. But that may limit you sometimes too. Well, I've done ok so far, and that's using this philosophy for a unified offensive and defensive terminology "catalog", where one word or term means one thing only, it's either a play, a motion, a tag, an individual technique/skill, a front, an individual alignment, a pressure path, etc, and never ever means more than one thing, and once it gets burned on offense or defense, it cannot be used on the other side of the ball to make life easier for the guys who go both ways. Just gotta use your imagination haha |
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Post by silkyice on May 30, 2024 20:38:47 GMT -6
tripsclosed you're not wrong. But that may limit you sometimes too. Well, I've done ok so far, and that's using this philosophy for a unified offensive and defensive terminology "catalog", where one word or term means one thing only, it's either a play, a motion, a tag, an individual technique/skill, a front, an individual alignment, a pressure path, etc, and never ever means more than one thing, and once it gets burned on offense or defense, it cannot be used on the other side of the ball to make life easier for the guys who go both ways. Just gotta use your imagination haha I like this, but what do you do if one of your players happens to have one of those terms as his name or nickname? Also, another tidbit to pass along, make sure none of the words rhyme or sound alike. Had that happen once and immediately fixed that. |
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Post by tripsclosed on May 30, 2024 21:50:53 GMT -6
Well, I've done ok so far, and that's using this philosophy for a unified offensive and defensive terminology "catalog", where one word or term means one thing only, it's either a play, a motion, a tag, an individual technique/skill, a front, an individual alignment, a pressure path, etc, and never ever means more than one thing, and once it gets burned on offense or defense, it cannot be used on the other side of the ball to make life easier for the guys who go both ways. Just gotta use your imagination haha I like this, but what do you do if one of your players happens to have one of those terms as his name or nickname? Also, another tidbit to pass along, make sure none of the words rhyme or sound alike. Had that happen once and immediately fixed that. I try my best to not use any terms that might have a name or nickname, but if it does happen, can't win em all haha. I'd rather keep terminology consistent year to year as much as possible. I see it kind of like gameplanning, take away all their most commonly used plays, if they go deep into the playbook and still beat you, just gotta tip your cap lol On the second point, 100 percent agree, I am a big stickler on this, sometimes probably even go overboard with it trying to avoid it. Especially big on this with on-field, pre-snap and post-snap checks and communication calls between players, even with small HS crowds, stuff can get misheard/miscommunication can happen. |
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Post by Defcord on May 31, 2024 8:42:07 GMT -6
We had a 4th and 2 from the -40 on defense down 7 with a couple minute left. The opposing team had an all state fullback that lined up as an up back in their punt formation and had faked in this field position multiple times on film.
I called a defense and didn’t care if they punted it without a return. I wanted to play it safe and make sure we got the ball back. Our head coach called a time out and punt in our punt return unit, which had two deep returners.
They faked it to their stud. Then iced the clock to win the game.
They may have gotten it either way but having two returners out of the defense was maddening.
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Post by CoachK on May 31, 2024 12:20:19 GMT -6
This was a summer 7 on 7 jamboree at another high school, but one of the offensive coaches held things up for a good 5-10 minutes because he absolutely insisted that he get a 6th WR, otherwise the defense gets 7 and "we get 6." He'd drawn up his cards and everything that way.
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Post by blb on May 31, 2024 13:08:09 GMT -6
This was a summer 7 on 7 jamboree at another high school, but one of the offensive coaches held things up for a good 5-10 minutes because he absolutely insisted that he get a 6th WR, otherwise the defense gets 7 and "we get 6." He'd drawn up his cards and everything that way. Stupid is as stupid does. Where do these "coaches" come from?! |
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Post by coachdmyers on May 31, 2024 13:52:52 GMT -6
I had just joined a program as an assistant and we were doing a team summer camp and we had this one team in our league for both inside run and 7 on 7. Their base was a 4-3 defense. In inside run, we were single back with no TE, while they had 8 players on the field, one of whom was a safety flying up field basically following the running back from 10 yards deep. Later, when we were doing 7 on 7, they again had 8 players on the field, aggressively dropping into pass coverage.
Over the next three years we scored a total of 144 points on them in three games and ran the clock twice.
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Post by freezeoption on May 31, 2024 16:48:30 GMT -6
You don't snap a free kick. You can punt or tee up the kick. If they snaped this kick everyone there needs to read the rules.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 1, 2024 9:17:54 GMT -6
This was a summer 7 on 7 jamboree at another high school, but one of the offensive coaches held things up for a good 5-10 minutes because he absolutely insisted that he get a 6th WR, otherwise the defense gets 7 and "we get 6." He'd drawn up his cards and everything that way. no Center? ?? |
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Post by tripsclosed on Jun 1, 2024 12:47:06 GMT -6
This was a summer 7 on 7 jamboree at another high school, but one of the offensive coaches held things up for a good 5-10 minutes because he absolutely insisted that he get a 6th WR, otherwise the defense gets 7 and "we get 6." He'd drawn up his cards and everything that way. Hahaha. What a fkn clown |
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