coachtconkle
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Post by coachtconkle on May 9, 2024 11:44:22 GMT -6
My way to handle every player is:
Every player has a role on the team. I inform them of their role as I (and the staff) see it, at the end of each season. Just before summer practice begins for real, I chat with each player and reiterate what was told to them after the season and/or spring training (and in some cases Spring Training may have changed things). I tell them how they can help the team most and the choice is theirs about whether to sit the bench 90%-95% or get PT at a rate of 90%-95% of each game. I tell every player regularly (daily if not weekly) to give me a reason to play them, or a reason to let them "ride the pine." I have had a few quit over the years with this approach, but 100% of the rest were team-players and got max Playing Time. That means that some were 2nd on the depth-chart, but that is better than 3rd or 4th on the depth chart (the 2x I had that many on the roster - LOL).
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Post by larrymoe on May 9, 2024 18:31:00 GMT -6
We were good in HS, so I did not encounter people like this. But with "these kids today" I had a guy willing to switch from LB to OT to provide depth in "this era" a couple of years ago. Parents have changed, school admin have changed. There are still good kids. They're usually the product of two parent families who have jobs and take interest in their kids. There aren't many of those left these days. I would imagine that since you're a personal trainer, you probably deal with a different clientele than is present in the majority of schools in America. With all the studies done on the changes of kids due to COVID, technology, the impact of growing single parent families on kids, etc I can't believe there are people who still say kids aren't different than they were 30 years ago. |
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Post by larrymoe on May 9, 2024 18:32:06 GMT -6
I don't care what anyone says, and I don't want to derail this thread, but kids, overall, are drastically different than any other point in football history. Wins, losses, team success, none of that matters to a growing number of them. Stats and them "getting theirs" does. And if they can't get what they want, they'll "move". Every one of the white boys in Remember the Titans were worried about "THEIRS" when Coach Boone took over. "Theirs" was a little motivated by other factors than statistics. IT'S ALSO A {censored} HOLLYWOOD MOVIE. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 10, 2024 4:56:22 GMT -6
But with "these kids today" I had a guy willing to switch from LB to OT to provide depth in "this era" a couple of years ago. Parents have changed, school admin have changed. There are still good kids. They're usually the product of two parent families who have jobs and take interest in their kids. There aren't many of those left these days. I would imagine that since you're a personal trainer, you probably deal with a different clientele than is present in the majority of schools in America. With all the studies done on the changes of kids due to COVID, technology, the impact of growing single parent families on kids, etc I can't believe there are people who still say kids aren't different than they were 30 years ago. You know what assuming does, don'tcha? I teach in school suspension as my day job. Before this I was in a Title 1 school, before that a title 1 school, before that a title 1 school, and so on. I'm a strength coach, not a personal trainer. We're a 'pay what you can' facility that operates on a sliding scale based on income. Part of my role is working with community center teens pro bono who are bused to our gym.  |
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Post by larrymoe on May 10, 2024 7:31:16 GMT -6
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 10, 2024 11:56:18 GMT -6
These articles are fantastic and must reads, especially if you have kids of your own. Thanks for sharing. |
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Post by carookie on May 10, 2024 14:03:44 GMT -6
I don't know if these articles really support your case. The first one was written over a decade ago, and basically argues that globally people are living longer, so adolescents lasts longer. But once again, it isn't about kids today it is about a previous generation. The second article is mostly opinion and anecdotal evidence. It does reference changes that came about in raising kids the 60s, but that was over half a century ago. The third article mentions the growing number of teen suicide rates and depression statistics since the 80s & 90s, which is irrefutable, but I don't think really resonates with most of us here. If you want to claim that society has changed a lot over the past 60 years, and that kids behave differently due to such then I'd listen to that. But I doubt many of us here were coaching, let alone even playing, ball that long ago. I can tell you that kids now, compared to when I was in high school (mid 90s) arent that much different. I have seen though, that many coaches think there are a lot more turds now then when they were kids. But I feel as if that because most coaches were good kids and didn't notice the turds because they didn't deal with them. |
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Post by larrymoe on May 10, 2024 18:30:08 GMT -6
I don't know if these articles really support your case. The first one was written over a decade ago, and basically argues that globally people are living longer, so adolescents lasts longer. But once again, it isn't about kids today it is about a previous generation. The second article is mostly opinion and anecdotal evidence. It does reference changes that came about in raising kids the 60s, but that was over half a century ago. The third article mentions the growing number of teen suicide rates and depression statistics since the 80s & 90s, which is irrefutable, but I don't think really resonates with most of us here. If you want to claim that society has changed a lot over the past 60 years, and that kids behave differently due to such then I'd listen to that. But I doubt many of us here were coaching, let alone even playing, ball that long ago. I can tell you that kids now, compared to when I was in high school (mid 90s) arent that much different. I have seen though, that many coaches think there are a lot more turds now then when they were kids. But I feel as if that because most coaches were good kids and didn't notice the turds because they didn't deal with them. Kids were different from when I started coaching in 1998 to when I stopped in 2018. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 10, 2024 19:54:24 GMT -6
I think people somewhat miss the boat on this discussion. Are kids different in 2024 than they were in say 2010? Absolutely. Smart phones and thus the exposure to social media are changing brain development and societal norms. This is absolutely leading to more and more kids having an extreme self-centered mindset. The fact that a dopamine fix is obtained by having other individuals press a thumbs up or heart on a screen while viewing an image or video a kid makes is absolutely different than before.
But kids in 2010 were different than kids in say 1995, as they developed with the internet, chat rooms, online gaming etc. And those 1995 kids were different than the kids in the 80s, as they were the video game and cable TV generation. Obviously this would go on and on.
That said, I don't think one could really make a strong argument that the smart phone/social media combo has been a more potent "difference maker" than those of other time periods.
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Post by agap on May 10, 2024 21:34:51 GMT -6
This stuff isn't really that new. Old-timers here may remember Hawke. He was one of my HS coaches. He told me that back in the '80's they "switched" from a 50 defense to a 3-4 because nobody wanted to play tackle. So, they went to the 3-4, DEs became OLBs and DTs became ends. Nothing actually changed except the terminology. I don’t think that’s the issue here. We’ve had players who thought they were QBs when they should have been an OL. Or they thought they were a MLB when they were a DL. I don’t think it’s an issue of what you call a position. |
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Post by fantom on May 11, 2024 12:37:51 GMT -6
This stuff isn't really that new. Old-timers here may remember Hawke. He was one of my HS coaches. He told me that back in the '80's they "switched" from a 50 defense to a 3-4 because nobody wanted to play tackle. So, they went to the 3-4, DEs became OLBs and DTs became ends. Nothing actually changed except the terminology. I don’t think that’s the issue here. We’ve had players who thought they were QBs when they should have been an OL. Or they thought they were a MLB when they were a DL. I don’t think it’s an issue of what you call a position. Yeah, I get that. The point is, though, is that although selfish kids may be more common today, it wasn't unheard of years ago. |
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Post by mc140 on May 12, 2024 21:46:47 GMT -6
I don’t think that’s the issue here. We’ve had players who thought they were QBs when they should have been an OL. Or they thought they were a MLB when they were a DL. I don’t think it’s an issue of what you call a position. Yeah, I get that. The point is, though, is that although selfish kids may be more common today, it wasn't unheard of years ago.
Adults have changed more than the kids. Kids just have different things then we did.
I think if we had social media 30 years ago, kids would have acted the same way they do now.
My favorite story from last year was a Junior WR who dropped two long passes in a game we lost trying to catch it with one hand. He could of caught both with two hands, but wanted something that would go "viral". Thankfully he will not be back as a Senior.
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Post by mc140 on May 12, 2024 21:53:03 GMT -6
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 13, 2024 9:06:46 GMT -6
I don't know if these articles really support your case. The first one was written over a decade ago, and basically argues that globally people are living longer, so adolescents lasts longer. But once again, it isn't about kids today it is about a previous generation. The second article is mostly opinion and anecdotal evidence. It does reference changes that came about in raising kids the 60s, but that was over half a century ago. The third article mentions the growing number of teen suicide rates and depression statistics since the 80s & 90s, which is irrefutable, but I don't think really resonates with most of us here. If you want to claim that society has changed a lot over the past 60 years, and that kids behave differently due to such then I'd listen to that. But I doubt many of us here were coaching, let alone even playing, ball that long ago. I can tell you that kids now, compared to when I was in high school (mid 90s) arent that much different. I have seen though, that many coaches think there are a lot more turds now then when they were kids. But I feel as if that because most coaches were good kids and didn't notice the turds because they didn't deal with them. I looked at the UVA one bc it was the only source I've heard of re the 3. "increase in efforts to monitor, structure and protect the lives of children"- that's parenting "increased surveillance"- parenting "From the time their parents start taking digital photos of them.” "increase in the expectations placed on parents to monitor their children and to structure their activities." "Children’s ability to walk to school or anywhere on their own has dramatically declined since the 1990s, Dinsmore said. Childhood has transitioned from being an activity that involved playing outside with neighborhood kids to being, especially for middle-class families, about piano lessons, karate classes and soccer leagues, which means they have far less unstructured time than they once did." - parenting. and then a whole bunch of chit on surveillance via data farming which has nothing to do with a child being 'different' but Google selling data and parents giving their 5 year old their own iPad. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 13, 2024 9:08:05 GMT -6
Yeah, I get that. The point is, though, is that although selfish kids may be more common today, it wasn't unheard of years ago.
Adults have changed more than the kids. Kids just have different things then we did.
I think if we had social media 30 years ago, kids would have acted the same way they do now.
My favorite story from last year was a Junior WR who dropped two long passes in a game we lost trying to catch it with one hand. He could of caught both with two hands, but wanted something that would go "viral". Thankfully he will not be back as a Senior.
Geronimo used to pose for photos looking mean and was always sure to be armed. Dude loved him some 1800's social media. He would collect photographs of himself and articles he was in |
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Post by bulldogsdc on May 13, 2024 9:43:10 GMT -6
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates
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Post by larrymoe on May 13, 2024 14:43:40 GMT -6
Again, there's literally piles of scientific research documenting the differences in youth brains and behaviors because of a plethora of reasons, but let's just keep posting the same responses that that idea gets every time it's mentioned.
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Post by larrymoe on May 13, 2024 14:45:31 GMT -6
I don't know if these articles really support your case. The first one was written over a decade ago, and basically argues that globally people are living longer, so adolescents lasts longer. But once again, it isn't about kids today it is about a previous generation. The second article is mostly opinion and anecdotal evidence. It does reference changes that came about in raising kids the 60s, but that was over half a century ago. The third article mentions the growing number of teen suicide rates and depression statistics since the 80s & 90s, which is irrefutable, but I don't think really resonates with most of us here. If you want to claim that society has changed a lot over the past 60 years, and that kids behave differently due to such then I'd listen to that. But I doubt many of us here were coaching, let alone even playing, ball that long ago. I can tell you that kids now, compared to when I was in high school (mid 90s) arent that much different. I have seen though, that many coaches think there are a lot more turds now then when they were kids. But I feel as if that because most coaches were good kids and didn't notice the turds because they didn't deal with them. I looked at the UVA one bc it was the only source I've heard of re the 3. "increase in efforts to monitor, structure and protect the lives of children"- that's parenting "increased surveillance"- parenting "From the time their parents start taking digital photos of them.” "increase in the expectations placed on parents to monitor their children and to structure their activities." "Children’s ability to walk to school or anywhere on their own has dramatically declined since the 1990s, Dinsmore said. Childhood has transitioned from being an activity that involved playing outside with neighborhood kids to being, especially for middle-class families, about piano lessons, karate classes and soccer leagues, which means they have far less unstructured time than they once did." - parenting. and then a whole bunch of chit on surveillance via data farming which has nothing to do with a child being 'different' but Google selling data and parents giving their 5 year old their own iPad. Which, in turn, makes kids different. Which is the point. You want to argue the reasons for that, well thats a long discussion. But the fact is, no matter what the reason, the kids are different. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 13, 2024 14:48:44 GMT -6
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” ― Socrates Adults are different, too. Everyone is changing except for Larry. Of course we're ALL changing, but teenagers are doing the same chit they always did. I've been on this board for some stupid amount of time, and it's been: Kids are different Numbers are low What is MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok and why is it ruining football for like 15 years! |
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Post by fantom on May 13, 2024 15:24:09 GMT -6
I don't know if these articles really support your case. The first one was written over a decade ago, and basically argues that globally people are living longer, so adolescents lasts longer. But once again, it isn't about kids today it is about a previous generation. The second article is mostly opinion and anecdotal evidence. It does reference changes that came about in raising kids the 60s, but that was over half a century ago. The third article mentions the growing number of teen suicide rates and depression statistics since the 80s & 90s, which is irrefutable, but I don't think really resonates with most of us here. If you want to claim that society has changed a lot over the past 60 years, and that kids behave differently due to such then I'd listen to that. But I doubt many of us here were coaching, let alone even playing, ball that long ago. I can tell you that kids now, compared to when I was in high school (mid 90s) arent that much different. I have seen though, that many coaches think there are a lot more turds now then when they were kids. But I feel as if that because most coaches were good kids and didn't notice the turds because they didn't deal with them. I looked at the UVA one bc it was the only source I've heard of re the 3. "increase in efforts to monitor, structure and protect the lives of children"- that's parenting "increased surveillance"- parenting "From the time their parents start taking digital photos of them.” "increase in the expectations placed on parents to monitor their children and to structure their activities." "Children’s ability to walk to school or anywhere on their own has dramatically declined since the 1990s, Dinsmore said. Childhood has transitioned from being an activity that involved playing outside with neighborhood kids to being, especially for middle-class families, about piano lessons, karate classes and soccer leagues, which means they have far less unstructured time than they once did." - parenting. and then a whole bunch of chit on surveillance via data farming which has nothing to do with a child being 'different' but Google selling data and parents giving their 5 year old their own iPad. I think that what you consider "Parenting" is considered by many, especially us older people, as "Overparenting". I'm not as down on young people today but it does seem that a lot of them have no idea how to do things for themselves. I heard a college professor who asked his students how old they were when their parents sent them out on their own to run an errand. The youngest that he heard was 13 and most were around 17. Some had never done it. They'd never walked to school alone or had to organize their own backyard football or whiffle ball games. No wonder they feel helpless when they hit some rough patch in life. |
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Post by larrymoe on May 13, 2024 15:33:25 GMT -6
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” ― Socrates Adults are different, too. Everyone is changing except for Larry. Of course we're ALL changing, but teenagers are doing the same chit they always did. I've been on this board for some stupid amount of time, and it's been: Kids are different Numbers are low What is MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok and why is it ruining football for like 15 years! I don't change because I'm not in. I didn't want to deal with the kids anymore. I work with convicted felons now, and they're far more decent to deal with than HS kids. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 13, 2024 17:35:11 GMT -6
I looked at the UVA one bc it was the only source I've heard of re the 3. "increase in efforts to monitor, structure and protect the lives of children"- that's parenting "increased surveillance"- parenting "From the time their parents start taking digital photos of them.” "increase in the expectations placed on parents to monitor their children and to structure their activities." "Children’s ability to walk to school or anywhere on their own has dramatically declined since the 1990s, Dinsmore said. Childhood has transitioned from being an activity that involved playing outside with neighborhood kids to being, especially for middle-class families, about piano lessons, karate classes and soccer leagues, which means they have far less unstructured time than they once did." - parenting. and then a whole bunch of chit on surveillance via data farming which has nothing to do with a child being 'different' but Google selling data and parents giving their 5 year old their own iPad. I think that what you consider "Parenting" is considered by many, especially us older people, as "Overparenting". I'm not as down on young people today but it does seem that a lot of them have no idea how to do things for themselves. I heard a college professor who asked his students how old they were when their parents sent them out on their own to run an errand. The youngest that he heard was 13 and most were around 17. Some had never done it. They'd never walked to school alone or had to organize their own backyard football or whiffle ball games. No wonder they feel helpless when they hit some rough patch in life. Yeah I agree with you on over-parenting. I meant that's the parents vs the kids. Kids don't buy themselves iPads, or WiFi, or not let themselves walk home from school. So we agree. |
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Post by 44special on May 13, 2024 18:41:24 GMT -6
I don't know if these articles really support your case. The first one was written over a decade ago, and basically argues that globally people are living longer, so adolescents lasts longer. But once again, it isn't about kids today it is about a previous generation. The second article is mostly opinion and anecdotal evidence. It does reference changes that came about in raising kids the 60s, but that was over half a century ago. The third article mentions the growing number of teen suicide rates and depression statistics since the 80s & 90s, which is irrefutable, but I don't think really resonates with most of us here. If you want to claim that society has changed a lot over the past 60 years, and that kids behave differently due to such then I'd listen to that. But I doubt many of us here were coaching, let alone even playing, ball that long ago. I can tell you that kids now, compared to when I was in high school (mid 90s) arent that much different. I have seen though, that many coaches think there are a lot more turds now then when they were kids. But I feel as if that because most coaches were good kids and didn't notice the turds because they didn't deal with them. Kids were different from when I started coaching in 1998 to when I stopped in 2018. been out of coaching for 10+ years now (i've probably mentioned that a few hundred times). i also don't want to deal with kids today. i played in the 60's-70's. things are absolutely different now. one thing i noticed when i was teaching/coaching (and even this was a few decades ago) - good kids would say/talk about things in class that bad kids wouldn't even have dreamed of saying/talking about in class when i was a kid. didn't make them bad kids, just a very different world and culture. and i'm sure kids are different today, because of that very different world. and i was different from kids of my generation because my parents were older and from a different generation than the other parents. i was raised by and grew up around adults who lived and worked and fought thru the depression and wwII. my friends parents didn't. i was a good kid in class. don't know if y'all would think i was as a fb player. i said i would play anywhere to be on the field, and i would. but i wouldn't have played if i hadn't been a starter all the way thru. when i said i couldn't stand being on the sideline, i wasn't exaggerating. i would not have been able to be around it if i had to stand on the sideline. which was probably not logical, since i grew up the smallest kid in class. but i'm not sure logic was ever part of my thought process back then. may not be now. for that matter, it might not be much of a thought process now. apologies if i ramble too much. i have a lot more time on my hands now. |
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