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Post by wildcat on Dec 2, 2007 18:43:03 GMT -6
Bears are up 16-14 with about 1:40 left in the game and they have 1 timeout. Giants have a 1st and Goal around the Bears' 5 yard line. The Giants call an off-tackle play and score on a short run. They kick the extra point and are up 21-16.
Does anyone think that was a good coaching decision by Tom Coughlin? After the score, the Giants are up by less than a TD, they have to kick off to Devin Hester, and they are giving the ball back to the Bears with a good chunk of time and with a timeout.
Obviously, it worked out for the Giants, but does anyone think that it would have been a better decision for the Giants to run the clock down as far as possible, force the Bears to burn their last timeout, and then kick what should be a chip-shot field goal with very little or no time left on the clock?
What do you guys do in that situation? Do you go for the TD because your kicker might not make it and risk letting the other team have 1 more possession or do you take up as much time as possible and try a very short field goal and either run the clock out or give the ball back to the other team with very little time and with no timeouts?
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Post by brophy on Dec 2, 2007 18:45:34 GMT -6
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Post by wildcat on Dec 2, 2007 18:55:27 GMT -6
uhhhh...isn't that a coaching question?
How about this?
Team A is up 16-14 with about 1:40 left in the game and they have 1 timeout. Team B has a 1st and Goal around Team A's 5 yard line. Team B calls an off-tackle play and score on a short run. They kick the extra point and are up 21-16.
Does anyone think that was a good coaching decision by Team B's coach? After the score, Team B is up by less than a TD, they have to kick off to a very good kick returner, and they are giving the ball back to Team A with a good chunk of time and with a timeout.
It worked out for Team B, but does anyone think that it would have been a better decision for Team B to run the clock down as far as possible, force Team A to burn their last timeout, and then kick what should be a chip-shot field goal with very little or no time left on the clock?
What do you guys do in that situation? Do you go for the TD because your kicker might not make it and risk letting the other team have 1 more possession or do you take up as much time as possible and try a very short field goal and either run the clock out or give the ball back to the other team with very little time and with no timeouts?
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Post by goldenbear76 on Dec 2, 2007 19:06:54 GMT -6
You know wild, I thought about that during the game. I'm of the belief you score as many points as you can. It wasn't like they ran a risky play to score a touchdown. Too many things can happen in football, I don't know if there is ever a right answer. You start getting into a lot of what-if's. What if Chicago calls a Timeout with 7 seconds left and forces NY to kick the FG early. Hester still gets to return. Anyway, they made Chicago drive 55-60 yards to score a touchdown and they couldn't do it. It looked sort of like Chicago let NY score honestly.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 2, 2007 19:16:38 GMT -6
That is my question...is there ever a time when you would "leave" points on the field to manage the clock or do you try to score every point you can and if the other team gets the ball back, so be it?
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 2, 2007 19:17:40 GMT -6
In the NFL, i would say the higher percentage play is to run out the clock, and kick the FG. At the Highschool level, I think I would try to score the TD.
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Post by brophy on Dec 2, 2007 19:26:03 GMT -6
Are you suggesting Team B scored "too quickly"?
If you know Team A has a turnover prone quarterback or receivers that can make plays or a running back that can move the chains, well it pretty much boils down to eliminating a return and the game is pretty much in the bag.
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 2, 2007 19:42:55 GMT -6
Here is my thought on the situation. First off I will take points whenever I can get them and will have confidence in my Defense. Also what played into the decision I think was the field condition. Yes I know they are professionals but the field was very wet, the ball was slick, etc. Remember Tony Romo last year? I don't think I would be able to live with myself if I set the ball up in the middle of the field, ran the time all the way down, then missed a game winning field goal when I could have easily walked in the endzone for a possible game winning TD. I always am thinking ahead but I have always stuck by the philosophy of play for right now. Worry about everything else later.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 2, 2007 19:48:11 GMT -6
I agree with coachd5085...I think that in the high school game, you don't leave points on the field and you score whenever you have the opportunity to do so.
In high school, field goals are often an adventure. ;D
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Post by brophy on Dec 2, 2007 19:51:05 GMT -6
2,000 miles away, simulateously another coach did the same thing
with the game won by Team A with less than a minute and a half remaining, a reverse was called, but instead of handing off, they opted to toss the exchange...resulting in a fumble.
...after recovering a fumble inside the opponent's 30. This team chose to GO FOR IT on a 4th and 1, instead of kicking a field goal for a tie. This is at the under 40 seconds mark.
The gutsy call converts and the following drive ensues.
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Game is won by Team B
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 2, 2007 20:17:56 GMT -6
but brophy, those two scenarios are entirely different, and it is simply wrong to try and compare the two. One is talking about clock management, one is about playing to win, or playing to tie.
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Post by coachjimmer on Dec 2, 2007 20:50:37 GMT -6
Were TB Bucs allowed to motion 2 guys at the same time?
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 2, 2007 21:04:54 GMT -6
It's a legal shift
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 2, 2007 21:09:10 GMT -6
I don' know about that spos---not quite sure that the TE was set long enough. But I agree, the CONCEPT of the shift was a legal concept. I just am not sure if the execution was 100% legal.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Dec 2, 2007 22:50:08 GMT -6
If you trust the D, get the TD whenever you can. If not, milk the clock as much as possible. That's my NFL level call. As for MS/HS, take the TD ASAP.
coachd --- I thought the same thing.
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Post by wingt74 on Dec 3, 2007 7:12:08 GMT -6
If I were the Bears, I would have let them score...they may have even done that. Or at least go all out for the strip.
giants were foolish. You take a knee 2 times right at the spot a dam extra point would be kicked. If you can't kick an extra point to win a game, you don't deserve to win.
Very poor coaching on the Giants part. But...they won.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2007 15:47:09 GMT -6
Also, there is no difference between a four and five point lead when there's barely a minute left. Since they scored the TD, they should have gone for two afterwards. That way, if the Bears scored, you could conceivably block the XP to get into OT.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 3, 2007 20:34:36 GMT -6
In HS I think you get the points. I would rather go into the final few seconds of the game with the lead. Now I would let as much time run between plays as possible and milk as much clock as we can but I want to be sure to score and get that lead.
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Post by bhubb on Dec 3, 2007 20:53:09 GMT -6
One thing to consider, the Bear's have blocked a few extra points/fg's this year. The Giant's may have taken that into consideration.
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 3, 2007 21:01:30 GMT -6
Also, there is no difference between a four and five point lead when there's barely a minute left. Since they scored the TD, they should have gone for two afterwards. That way, if the Bears scored, you could conceivably block the XP to get into OT. I thought the same thing but then I figured maybe the giants were looking way ahead and in case Hester ran back the KO the Giants would only be down by 3 and not 4 if they missed the 2 point conversion |
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