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Post by dacoachmo on Jan 26, 2008 12:08:54 GMT -6
okay, so I did a search without success.
If you have two solid big (good feet) OL coming back. where do you put them?
We will be a zone/zone read/counter team. spread philosophy.
then overall, how do you fill in the rest?
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Post by coachcb on Jan 26, 2008 12:28:30 GMT -6
I would put them at the tackle spot.
1. They're athleticism will help them when dealing with fast DEs in pass pro and run blocking
2. They'll be able to pull and lead on counters. Most OL can pull and trap, but you need someone faster to lead.
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Post by ccscoach on Jan 26, 2008 12:38:27 GMT -6
Play one at center and one at left tackle.
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Post by joelee on Jan 26, 2008 17:44:15 GMT -6
Play one at center and one at left tackle.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 26, 2008 18:13:50 GMT -6
Just to be different I would put them at guard and tackle on the same side to begin with. Then you have your two most dominant guys next to eachother.
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Post by tog on Jan 26, 2008 18:38:25 GMT -6
being spread based, my question is
do you have other smaller kids that are more athletic that you can use at tackle?
if so
the best bigger linemen should go to guard
at least how we teach it and think about the whole thing
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Post by jcarbon2 on Jan 26, 2008 18:56:07 GMT -6
Just have them at OG and OT on the same side and flip the line.
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Post by coachdearborn on Jan 26, 2008 19:10:46 GMT -6
I always have my guys learn at least one other position. Being shotgun spread, every o-lineman gets in shotgun snaps in pre-practice. I have moved my best linemen based on whether we are facing an odd or even front. Just something to consider.
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Post by fcsdawg55 on Jan 26, 2008 19:48:54 GMT -6
being spread based, my question is do you have other smaller kids that are more athletic that you can use at tackle? if so the best bigger linemen should go to guard at least how we teach it and think about the whole thing I would make the same suggestion. As a zone team you have to get movement on the interior of the D-line so that your back is making his cut 1 or 2 yards after the LOS instead of 1 or 2 yards behind the LOS. |
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Post by mnpasso on Jan 26, 2008 19:52:13 GMT -6
Between the two, whoever snaps better is the center. An odd front defense begins and ends with the center / noseguard matchup! Listen to all the D guys talking about a noseguard commanding a double team blah, blah, blah. If your best lineman can handle the nose, you get get to lb level much easier.
Speaking from experience, if you are a zone team and you can't handle the nose, it's a long night!
As for the other lineman, pair him with your 3rd best on whichever side you want. My preference is the left side.
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Post by coachdjenkins on Jan 26, 2008 20:19:05 GMT -6
Look the teams you have to play...Are the better teams in your league and class even or odd fronts. That being said we are a spread team as someone said above... Bigger Bodies in the Middle and the more athletic outside.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 26, 2008 22:00:54 GMT -6
C and LT
We play against a ton of 3-4 and 3-3 teams. If we played against more even fronts - we'd go both tackles.
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Post by SAcoach on Jan 26, 2008 22:06:00 GMT -6
Both at Guards
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Post by los on Jan 26, 2008 22:20:53 GMT -6
I'm goin with groundchuck and JC, same side gd and tackle, run behind them or let them both pull for CT. Far as which side, (if you don't want to flip the line), might depend on where you need your best pass protection, best blockers for screens, etc...? I always preferred the best guys on the left side, no special reason though, other than being right handed, It made me call more plays to the left side, lol!
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Post by k on Jan 26, 2008 23:26:45 GMT -6
I rotated my two best guys depending on the opponent's players, defense, and the play we were running.
I had to ration them since they were two way players anyway so I started my 3rd through 7th best linemen all of whom fit nicely into their respective roles. Quick pulling guards, Big tough tackles, and a genius and snapper at center.
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Post by mont on Jan 27, 2008 8:49:04 GMT -6
Coach,
We are a gun spread team that also hangs our hat on the zone read, GT counter, and jet sweep. We would put our most athletic kid who has some ass behind him and can play at Center. The snap to us is critical for all the timing of the gun offense. Our next best kid goes to left tackle. We do not throw the ball a ton (approx. 15-20 times per game) and most of it is 3 step, sprint, boot, and screen. Therefore our tackles are not asked to block big on big forever (we slide our 3 step and 5 step).
We like to have our hogs in the middle at OG for the inside zone. We like athletic tackles to pull and lead on counter, pull and lead on dart, and also to be athletic enough to get DE's upfield for our screens. Also they must be able to reach (all footwork) those DE's on the jet sweep. If out TB has to help our tackles they play is not as good.
Mont
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Post by coachorr on Jan 27, 2008 18:29:47 GMT -6
I always want my best lineman at Center, but this has not always been the case. Sometimes the "best" lineman does not want to snap the football.
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Post by Yash on Jan 27, 2008 18:59:54 GMT -6
I always want my best lineman at Center, but this has not always been the case. Sometimes the "best" lineman does not want to snap the football. I find that interesting because a lot of people put their "turd" at center. I know that our best lineman were usually our guards. We put the kid who couldn't move a whole lot at center. Maybe thats why we weren't always real successful. |
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Post by khalfie on Jan 27, 2008 20:31:52 GMT -6
On defense.  |
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 28, 2008 7:19:29 GMT -6
Just have them at OG and OT on the same side and flip the line. Yup, thats exactly what I do. |
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Post by spartancoach on Jan 28, 2008 10:57:13 GMT -6
I would think one needs to play C. Not having a stud C against an odd front can really hurt you.
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