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Post by blb on Feb 9, 2024 12:19:26 GMT -6
Do not refer to your position group (or if coordinator side of the ball) as "MY guys.'
They are "ours."
Football is a TEAM sport.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 9, 2024 16:37:07 GMT -6
Do not refer to your position group (or if coordinator side of the ball) as "MY guys.' They are "ours." Football is a TEAM sport. I will 100% refer to any lineman as my "guy" for all eternity. Those guys are ignored by everyone and blamed for everything. Those are my people and they are a hill I will die on. |
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Post by 33coach on Feb 9, 2024 17:33:38 GMT -6
Do not refer to your position group (or if coordinator side of the ball) as "MY guys.' They are "ours." Football is a TEAM sport. I don't know man. When I was a special teams coach...those were definitely MY GUYS. Especially the ones who were 3rd and 4th on the regular depth chart. Otherwise....I agree. |
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Post by bigmoot2 on Feb 9, 2024 17:47:57 GMT -6
Do not refer to your position group (or if coordinator side of the ball) as "MY guys.' They are "ours." Football is a TEAM sport. I will 100% refer to any lineman as my "guy" for all eternity. Those guys are ignored by everyone and blamed for everything. Those are my people and they are a hill I will die on. I agree. Of all the positions, these are the guys who need an identity. They need to be made to feel special, because they are. |
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Feb 9, 2024 19:24:10 GMT -6
Me and my and I are pet peeves of mine
I’m as selfish as can be I’d say and I don’t even use them.
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Post by mrjvi on Feb 9, 2024 19:30:50 GMT -6
I guess I refer to them all as my guys even though I'm now a position coach rather than the head. They definitely are in the weight room I run-including the JV guys.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 11, 2024 7:18:44 GMT -6
I think there’s some nuance to this.
If you are saying hey these are my guys like you have a connection with them. That’s fine.
If you are in a meeting and someone else wants to use a kid in your group for a role that you don’t coach and you say those are my guys as a possessive then that’s a bad deal.
I’ve been at two schools where coaches did the latter regularly and it’s pretty shittty. One of the schools was two platooned and the offensive side would always say guys were there’s and we’d just roll with whoever was available after their guys had been selected. Then we’d take a kid who they didn’t think could play and get him coached up and he’d have a great game on defense and special teams and he’d end one of their guys before long.
That experience made me really despise coaches who hoard players. It’s all ego to make their side or their group perform better without any concern for the overall success of the program at large.
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Post by coachdubyah on Feb 11, 2024 8:20:57 GMT -6
Do not refer to your position group (or if coordinator side of the ball) as "MY guys.' They are "ours." Football is a TEAM sport. I will 100% refer to any lineman as my "guy" for all eternity. Those guys are ignored by everyone and blamed for everything. Those are my people and they are a hill I will die on. Yep…every year I’ve been an Oline coach (10 seasons) there’s always a comment along the lines of “well he ain’t very good so let’s see if we can use him on the Oline”. |
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Post by blb on Feb 11, 2024 8:55:36 GMT -6
Yep…every year I’ve been an Oline coach (10 seasons) there’s always a comment along the lines of “well he ain’t very good so let’s see if we can use him on the Oline”. Coaching in college OL was the "last stop before the bus stop" for players. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 11, 2024 9:12:51 GMT -6
I think there’s some nuance to this. If you are saying hey these are my guys like you have a connection with them. That’s fine. If you are in a meeting and someone else wants to use a kid in your group for a role that you don’t coach and you say those are my guys as a possessive then that’s a bad deal. I’ve been at two schools where coaches did the latter regularly and it’s pretty shittty. One of the schools was two platooned and the offensive side would always say guys were there’s and we’d just roll with whoever was available after their guys had been selected. Then we’d take a kid who they didn’t think could play and get him coached up and he’d have a great game on defense and special teams and he’d end one of their guys before long. That experience made me really despise coaches who hoard players. It’s all ego to make their side or their group perform better without any concern for the overall success of the program at large. I think this is one of the benefits of teaching each player an offensive and defensive position- and having each coach coach an offensive and defensive position. That benefit may not outweigh some of the advantages of two platoon sets up though:( |
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Post by bluboy on Feb 11, 2024 12:19:29 GMT -6
"I think this is one of the benefits of teaching each player an offensive and defensive position- and having each coach coach an offensive and defensive position."
"Those guys are ignored by everyone and blamed for everything. Those are my people and they are a hill I will die on."
I totally agree.
I am a DB coach and WR coach. During defense I work with and focus on the varsity DB's; During offense I work with and focus on the young WR's. Anyone, from the top DB to the last WR, with whom I work is one of "my guys". I take responsibility for their knowing what to do, how to do it, and their effort. I also help run the scout team, so they are also under the "my guys" group. I guess the only players who are not part of "my guys" are offensive linemen (since I don't have much contact with them).
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Post by irishdog on Feb 11, 2024 12:43:41 GMT -6
I hear that the "new" term being thrown around now is "the...Room." Well...when I was a young guy coaching high school ball I didn't have ANY rooms, but did have THREE positions I had to coach, O Line, LB's, and Special Teams! Then, as a HC I was in charge of ALL the "rooms". When I moved up to D2/D3 ball as an assistant I was a "position" coach and used a bunch of different "rooms." My advice...Coach the position(s) you've been assigned and coach your ass off!
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 11, 2024 13:49:45 GMT -6
I hear that the "new" term being thrown around now is "the...Room." Well...when I was a young guy coaching high school ball I didn't have ANY rooms, but did have THREE positions I had to coach, O Line, LB's, and Special Teams! Then, as a HC I was in charge of ALL the "rooms". When I moved up to D2/D3 ball as an assistant I was a "position" coach and used a bunch of different "rooms." My advice...Coach the position(s) you've been assigned and coach your ass off! I feel like this "room" stuff is a byproduct of people watching too much of that HBO drivel. |
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Post by irishdog on Feb 11, 2024 14:40:20 GMT -6
I hear that the "new" term being thrown around now is "the...Room." Well...when I was a young guy coaching high school ball I didn't have ANY rooms, but did have THREE positions I had to coach, O Line, LB's, and Special Teams! Then, as a HC I was in charge of ALL the "rooms". When I moved up to D2/D3 ball as an assistant I was a "position" coach and used a bunch of different "rooms." My advice...Coach the position(s) you've been assigned and coach your ass off! I feel like this "room" stuff is a byproduct of people watching too much of that HBO drivel. You could be right! Maybe football "hipspeak"? |
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Post by CS on Feb 11, 2024 14:59:07 GMT -6
I’ve never heard anyone call there position group “my guys”
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 11, 2024 16:04:55 GMT -6
I feel like this "room" stuff is a byproduct of people watching too much of that HBO drivel. You could be right! Maybe football "hipspeak"? Yep..up there with "arm talent" |
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Post by freezeoption on Feb 11, 2024 16:31:07 GMT -6
They are all my guys but my online and dline are my postion. I've been only at one school that two platoon. They would still share a stud with each other. You got to have your best 11. If you can get the next group close to that level then platoon or sub out.
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Post by dijackson08 on Feb 12, 2024 9:06:43 GMT -6
If something needs to be done be the first one to get up and do it. Don’t wait for the HC to ask you. Take initiative.
It’s frustrating when you walk in the office after a game and the 40 and 50 year old coaches are starting laundry and pushing kids out of the locker room and the 25 year old guys are BS’ing in the coaching office.
It’s frustrating when a college coach shows up and newbie wants to get selfies Instead of picking up the slack and getting freshman weights started on time.
I could care less how much football knowledge a young coach has. I want someone willing to do grunt work. You’re probably starting off a jv or freshman coach anyways we can teach you football.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 12, 2024 10:50:14 GMT -6
I could care less how much football knowledge a young coach has. I want someone willing to do grunt work. I believe this is a growing phenomenon in many fields, not just coaching. There was actually an article in either the WSJ or Businessweek or some other commerce oriented publication citing that younger and lower level employees now feel that "they shouldn't have to work to make shareholders [owners] richer". |
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Post by fantom on Feb 12, 2024 11:05:43 GMT -6
I could care less how much football knowledge a young coach has. I want someone willing to do grunt work. I believe this is a growing phenomenon in many fields, not just coaching. There was actually an article in either the WSJ or Businessweek or some other commerce oriented publication citing that younger and lower level employees now feel that "they shouldn't have to work to make shareholders [owners] richer". This isn't new but social media magnifies it. Low level employees have always griped but they used to do it to each other over a beer. Now they broadcast it to the world. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 12, 2024 11:29:21 GMT -6
I believe this is a growing phenomenon in many fields, not just coaching. There was actually an article in either the WSJ or Businessweek or some other commerce oriented publication citing that younger and lower level employees now feel that "they shouldn't have to work to make shareholders [owners] richer". This isn't new but social media magnifies it. Low level employees have always griped but they used to do it to each other over a beer. Now they broadcast it to the world. The difference is that in some cases, they are now also griping with "actions" (as in not working) |
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