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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 7, 2024 8:05:08 GMT -6
I saw the job open on FBSCOOP. Where would one live if they took the job? Cheapest place I saw on Zillow was a 1-1 condo for 600K.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Feb 7, 2024 8:20:05 GMT -6
Same problem in most of Wyoming, Montana and about all of Colorado. SD, ND and Nebraska are getting bad too. (I spend a lot of time looking at jobs/on realtor.com and zillow).
I was just south ("just"= relative term in WY... 80 miles) of Jackson for a few years early in my career. Neat area... but unless you were an entertainer or professional athlete, good luck affording anything there.
I was looking at a job in state here (NW N. Dakota), but haven't sent anything in because the most inexpensive homes I can find are twice the cost of what I will get for mine... and for a lesser house.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 7, 2024 8:23:30 GMT -6
Early in my career (around 2002) I looked at a SS job at Jackson Hole and came to the same conclusion you did. Love to live in that area, but couldn't afford to do it.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 7, 2024 8:38:04 GMT -6
I'll try to find the pay scale. Seriously, where do the blue collar people live?
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Post by CoachK on Feb 7, 2024 8:54:20 GMT -6
Wyoming teachers were, as of a few years ago, some of the best paid teachers in the country. This was due to coal money that may or may not be dwindling now.
I sent that AD a letter of interest the last time it was posted and his reply was basically a warning about housing costs. I never got any further than that anyway but if you're single and ambitious it's a good job, imo. Decent talent in a pretty place to live.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Feb 7, 2024 9:07:12 GMT -6
I'll try to find the pay scale. Seriously, where do the blue collar people live? I know a coach they had a few years ago lived in Driggs, Idaho (about an hour away). When the job at Driggs opened, he ended up taking that job.
Wyoming pay is good... maybe not what it was comparatively 20-30 years ago, but it's still good.
I agree with CoachK that it might be good for a young coach. Base salaries are high and if you could buy a home/condo and consider it an investment (provided you can afford it), it could be a good job. They are usually competitive.
I'm an old guy, looking for a place to retire (that I can afford)... so it's not for me. Now, if I win the lottery...
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 7, 2024 9:10:49 GMT -6
So the boys are saying you don't have $1.4 million for a 3 bed 1 bath 1,000 square foot house? You almost can't afford NOT to buy it.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 7, 2024 9:57:35 GMT -6
Maybe the boosters have a place.... Where does the science teacher live???
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 7, 2024 17:03:02 GMT -6
Maybe the boosters have a place.... Where does the science teacher live??? I couldn't figure out where really any teacher could live. And that was 20 years ago. That place has gone insane since then. I was there in 2000 and again in 2020. It's not even the same place it was in 2000. The demographic has changed entirely. I did not enjoy the people that had moved in. |
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Post by 44special on Feb 7, 2024 17:49:57 GMT -6
similar problem where i am now - permian basin in west texas. not quite the same scale, but when the oil industry is doing well here, housing is ridiculous.
the oil also makes teaching/coaching salaries a lot higher, but it's still a problem.
when i got out of coaching and started in the oilfield, i lived in an rv.
don't really recommend it, but it beats a tent.
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Post by 44special on Feb 7, 2024 17:54:21 GMT -6
one thing a few smaller schools used to do (no idea if anyone does now, but i doubt it) -
hs shop class would build a house every year, which became teacher housing.
because it's a school, the school got the materials a lot cheaper. great education and experience for the shop kids.
i don't know of anywhere that does that now, but it's a big state. lots of schools. could be happening somewhere.
i doubt it though. shop classes don't seem to be what they used to be.
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Post by blb on Feb 7, 2024 18:01:29 GMT -6
when i got out of coaching and started in the oilfield, i lived in an rv. don't really recommend it, but it beats a tent. Jim Harbaugh says he may live in an RV next to the stadium this year. Of course that's a little different than what you did. Did your wife-family live with you? If not, where? |
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Post by CoachK on Feb 7, 2024 18:20:08 GMT -6
When Harbaugh was with the 49ers he lived a little bit south in Atherton, which is essentially the Hamptons of the west coast. Like your neighbors are Mark Zuckerberg and Steph Curry. He'll be fine.
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Post by 44special on Feb 7, 2024 20:47:17 GMT -6
no. son was already in the working world. the wife left. nobody but me.
there were families living in the same park i was in.
it can be done. there are some really nice rv's now. but if you have stuff, or are gonna collect stuff, you would probably need/want a storage unit somewhere.
i pretty much had nothing to begin with. after 9 years in it, and actually making enough money to buy stuff (oilfield pay), i was beginning to feel like a hoarder when i got rid of it.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Feb 7, 2024 23:30:12 GMT -6
one thing a few smaller schools used to do (no idea if anyone does now, but i doubt it) - hs shop class would build a house every year, which became teacher housing. because it's a school, the school got the materials a lot cheaper. great education and experience for the shop kids. i don't know of anywhere that does that now, but it's a big state. lots of schools. could be happening somewhere. i doubt it though. shop classes don't seem to be what they used to be. I know some very rural/remote districts that had teacher housing. Some I know still do (mostly in the "empty belt" from Mexico through the Texas /Oklahoma Panhandles straight up to Canada where only 1% of the U.S. population lives... which also happens to be where I live).
I think in those ritzy areas the housing boom happened too fast for them to establish teacher housing. I know when I left Colorado 20 years ago I could afford many houses. I'm not sure I could afford any there now, though I make almost 3x as much as I did then. |
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Post by 44special on Feb 8, 2024 6:06:19 GMT -6
there are some small districts in west texas that have teacher housing. could be some in east texas, but i don't know of any.
i think midland isd may have some, or are working on getting some. or may have a housing allotment. i know they were working on something, because housing in midland when the oilfield is rolling gets ridiculous.
even though salaries are (a lot) higher in the permian basin, housing is still a problem.
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Post by irishdog on Feb 8, 2024 9:52:05 GMT -6
there are some small districts in west texas that have teacher housing. could be some in east texas, but i don't know of any. i think midland isd may have some, or are working on getting some. or may have a housing allotment. i know they were working on something, because housing in midland when the oilfield is rolling gets ridiculous. even though salaries are (a lot) higher in the permian basin, housing is still a problem. There are a number of small rural districts in East Texas that own a home, and whose HFC's have/had that home provided for them and their families. Some have/had also provided a district vehicle for the HC. In some larger districts in Texas the HC salaries afford the HC the opportunity to purchase/rent/lease a pretty nice home! It's not like that everywhere in Texas, but it's not uncommon. |
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Post by realdawg on Feb 8, 2024 10:14:10 GMT -6
Have never been to Jackson Hole and Wyoming in general, being an east coast guy. But I have often wondered the same thing in "vacation destinations". Where do the teachers live? We love Hilton Head Island, not a cheap place to live at all. Every time I go, I wonder where I would live if I worked there. I believe here in NC on the Outer Banks those districts offer some housing options. The schools on the Outer Banks are generally smaller, the housing options are few, and expensive.
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Post by freezeoption on Feb 8, 2024 11:13:18 GMT -6
I use to go through Jackson Hole on my way back home to Iowa and Missouri. I was teaching and coaching in Idaho. I usually slept in the parking lot of a hotel because I couldn't afford one of those rooms. If these type of towns haven't figured out how to get housing for their teachers then they are ignorant. We would play Driggs in the playoffs. Your not talking straight roads your talking curvy as crap mountain roads that are not fun in the winter tome.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 8, 2024 12:05:15 GMT -6
Ive been infatuated with the Northern Rockies since I was a kid and always have wanted to move out there but I just cant figure out how people afford to live out there.
The wife and I went to the Outer Banks a few summers ago and loved it, I looked into moving there and it was the same thing. All of the housing is either rental property for vacationers or a huge step down from where we live now.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 8, 2024 12:12:44 GMT -6
Cheapest 3/2 in our district is around 250K
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Feb 8, 2024 13:58:15 GMT -6
Ive been infatuated with the Northern Rockies since I was a kid and always have wanted to move out there but I just cant figure out how people afford to live out there. The wife and I went to the Outer Banks a few summers ago and loved it, I looked into moving there and it was the same thing. All of the housing is either rental property for vacationers or a huge step down from where we live now. Those who bought 15-30 years ago got in at a good time.
The house I grew up in (3/2 in west Denver) is a good enough house... it would probably go for 210-250 or so here. Comps in the market (same neighborhood) are selling for 750-850. It's crazy.
The same deal in Montana. We had a track meet last year and I was talking to a coach of a Montana school who told me they bought land 15 years ago that they could in no way afford today.
To be honest, I've turned down two jobs in the past 6 years simply because I didn't think it was a smart financial move based on housing costs.
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Post by raider92 on Feb 8, 2024 14:34:31 GMT -6
Ive been infatuated with the Northern Rockies since I was a kid and always have wanted to move out there but I just cant figure out how people afford to live out there. The wife and I went to the Outer Banks a few summers ago and loved it, I looked into moving there and it was the same thing. All of the housing is either rental property for vacationers or a huge step down from where we live now. Those who bought 15-30 years ago got in at a good time.
The house I grew up in (3/2 in west Denver) is a good enough house... it would probably go for 210-250 or so here. Comps in the market (same neighborhood) are selling for 750-850. It's crazy.
The same deal in Montana. We had a track meet last year and I was talking to a coach of a Montana school who told me they bought land 15 years ago that they could in no way afford today.
To be honest, I've turned down two jobs in the past 6 years simply because I didn't think it was a smart financial move based on housing costs.
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Post by CoachK on Feb 8, 2024 15:53:21 GMT -6
Thanks to Yellowstone I think a lot of people are coming around to the beauty of the Bitteroot Valley. I worked that UM camp a few times and didn't want to leave.
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Post by realdawg on Feb 8, 2024 16:10:58 GMT -6
Maybe I am wrong since I've never been there. But, arent the winters pretty brutal in the area ya'll are talking about? Admittedly, I am more of a warm weather guy myself.
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Post by 44special on Feb 8, 2024 16:12:26 GMT -6
there are some small districts in west texas that have teacher housing. could be some in east texas, but i don't know of any. i think midland isd may have some, or are working on getting some. or may have a housing allotment. i know they were working on something, because housing in midland when the oilfield is rolling gets ridiculous. even though salaries are (a lot) higher in the permian basin, housing is still a problem. There are a number of small rural districts in East Texas that own a home, and whose HFC's have/had that home provided for them and their families. Some have/had also provided a district vehicle for the HC. In some larger districts in Texas the HC salaries afford the HC the opportunity to purchase/rent/lease a pretty nice home! It's not like that everywhere in Texas, but it's not uncommon. big city schools usually pay well. smaller schools that have oil, coal, or nuclear money (glen rose), or possibly some other type of big industry usually pay very well. especially in west texas, because nobody wants to live out here. (except me). then there are the poor schools that basically pay state base. been at both. much prefer the ones with money. |
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Post by 44special on Feb 8, 2024 16:17:41 GMT -6
i bought a condo in the southern rockies of colorado about 6 years ago (the oilfield was good to me).
paid $123k. was at an old ski resort that had been shut down for about 20 years, but an absolutely beautiful area.
rocked along a couple of years, then covid hit; everybody wanted out of the city.
then the ski resort (small one) opened back up.
last time i looked (about 6 months ago), condos exactly like mine were going for $285k.
i didn't buy it as an investment, or to sell, but it's nice to know that if i do, i should do alright.
of course, the way the world is, any number of things could happen to change that.
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Post by CoachK on Feb 8, 2024 18:38:02 GMT -6
Maybe I am wrong since I've never been there. But, arent the winters pretty brutal in the area ya'll are talking about? Admittedly, I am more of a warm weather guy myself. The week I moved to Havre, MT is was -52. It was the coldest place on the planet that day. It was March.
It gets intensely cold and windy but the truth is you get used to it. By the time I left I was taking the trash out in shorts and slippers in December. And the trade off is that summers are heavenly, especially near the mountains. It's unreal how nice Missoula is in the spring/summer.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 8, 2024 19:59:17 GMT -6
I don't think it gets that cold in Jackson Hole.
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Post by freezeoption on Feb 8, 2024 20:06:37 GMT -6
The place I first coached at in the mountains of Idaho I would wear winter boots and wool socks and walk one block to school and my feet froze. I did love the smell of pine every day when stepping outside.
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