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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 20, 2024 12:31:25 GMT -6
If you want to see CFB played by real student-athletes, go to games at your local D-III school. I somewhat regret playing D3 ball. I accumulated A LOT of debt in order to play ball, which I was glad to do at the time, but it's 20 years later and I'm still on the hook for some of it. What caused you to accumulate debt? College expenses at a school whose only benefit to you was playing football? Time you could've been working? Or some other reason? Was football with an independent amateur club not an option, or not attractive for some reason? |
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Post by silkyice on Feb 20, 2024 13:17:55 GMT -6
I am not going to disagree, but USC football made plenty of cash before Caleb Williams and will make plenty of money after Caleb Williams. Sure, but it's called the Flutie Effect for a reason. Can anybody even name the coach of that BC team without looking it up? Hold on. Hold on. Are you really trying to compare Boston College with USC? Doug Flutie is the best BC player ever by a mile!! They were only relevant while he was there. He actually gave BC national recognition where there was none. Caleb Williams is not the best player ever at USC. And they aren't close as a team what they have with other great players. |
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Post by CoachK on Feb 20, 2024 14:11:30 GMT -6
No, I'm saying the named the phenomenon of enrollment and donations going up to whichever school produced a Heisman trophy winner after the Heisman trophy winner and not his coach -- a phenomenon which persists to this day.
The notion that "free school" is enough when the sport rakes in billions with a B and the value of a college diploma is plummeting isn't going to move the needle. Every single head football coach will tell you that recruiting is the first priority, and there's a reason for that. If anybody thinks Nick Saban is going to the Hall of Fame because of RIP and/or LIZ, they are kidding themselves. The recruit has always been the prize. They used to pay them under the table, now they don't have to.
A friend of mine was just hired by a G5 program, and he told me that the HC told the players he's not fundraising for facilities anymore, he's fundraising for NIL. The facade of the sport is gone and now we all get to decide what we really want it to be. I believe it'll become a big league for the ones that want to be in that group and don't care if their star QB goes to class, and everyone else.
If you want the sport to go back to the good old days, then stop watching. But since viewership is going up, not down, the money will go up, not down. Your choices now are to follow the growing NBA model of sending promising high school prospects to a developmental or lower-level professional league, or rebuild college athletics around the new economy. Make football a major and stop pretending anybody goes to Alabama or Texas or USC for the tradition and the family atmosphere.
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Post by CoachK on Feb 20, 2024 14:16:22 GMT -6
And it's crucial to remember how a free market works. You're worth what the highest bidder says you are. Everything else is a waste of energy talking about. It's why every major American sport has some kind of salary cap. College football probably needs one, too, or else it will become a playscape for billionaires just like everything else is right now.
edit - and I want to be clear that I don't like where D1 football is right now, either. I barely watch it anymore. I could tell you more about D2 ball right now. I'm not defending what is happening, I'm saying that playing the "back in my day" or "it should be this or that" isn't focusing the discussion in the right direction. The barn door is wide open.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 20, 2024 15:31:07 GMT -6
No, I'm saying the named the phenomenon of enrollment and donations going up to whichever school produced a Heisman trophy winner after the Heisman trophy winner and not his coach -- a phenomenon which persists to this day. The notion that "free school" is enough when the sport rakes in billions with a B and the value of a college diploma is plummeting isn't going to move the needle. Every single head football coach will tell you that recruiting is the first priority, and there's a reason for that. If anybody thinks Nick Saban is going to the Hall of Fame because of RIP and/or LIZ, they are kidding themselves. The recruit has always been the prize. They used to pay them under the table, now they don't have to. A friend of mine was just hired by a G5 program, and he told me that the HC told the players he's not fundraising for facilities anymore, he's fundraising for NIL. The facade of the sport is gone and now we all get to decide what we really want it to be. I believe it'll become a big league for the ones that want to be in that group and don't care if their star QB goes to class, and everyone else. If you want the sport to go back to the good old days, then stop watching. But since viewership is going up, not down, the money will go up, not down. Your choices now are to follow the growing NBA model of sending promising high school prospects to a developmental or lower-level professional league, or rebuild college athletics around the new economy. Make football a major and stop pretending anybody goes to Alabama or Texas or USC for the tradition and the family atmosphere. I don't disagree with any of this. Not sure why you targeted me with this. You just are ranting. My point was that USC was making plenty of money before Caleb Williams and will make plenty after him. |
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Post by irishdog on Feb 20, 2024 17:13:59 GMT -6
I somewhat regret playing D3 ball. I accumulated A LOT of debt in order to play ball, which I was glad to do at the time, but it's 20 years later and I'm still on the hook for some of it. What caused you to accumulate debt? College expenses at a school whose only benefit to you was playing football? Time you could've been working? Or some other reason? Was football with an independent amateur club not an option, or not attractive for some reason? There are a number of public college/universities playing D3 football. A lot less expensive than private schools. WI, NY, MA, NJ, have entire D3 conferences made up of public universities that have reciprocal admissions agreements with surrounding states. If the student is an accomplished athlete from out of state, and is being recruited by those schools said student will have a much better chance of earning a priority admission. I had many boys who loved playing the game, were good D3 prospects who ended up in some of those schools, graduated, and had debt but not nearly as much as my guys who went to private universities. |
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 20, 2024 23:53:32 GMT -6
I somewhat regret playing D3 ball. I accumulated A LOT of debt in order to play ball, which I was glad to do at the time, but it's 20 years later and I'm still on the hook for some of it. What caused you to accumulate debt? College expenses at a school whose only benefit to you was playing football? Time you could've been working? Or some other reason? Was football with an independent amateur club not an option, or not attractive for some reason? I took out loans to attend a school that was $30k a year because I wanted to keep playing football and also get a great education. In hindsight, playing JC and then xferring somewhere would've been a better financial decision. |
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Post by irishdog on Mar 12, 2024 15:35:28 GMT -6
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