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Post by brophy on Jan 29, 2024 6:51:09 GMT -6
We're all an interested party to the landscape of college football, so anyone's perspective in our community is welcome. This article is a lengthy read and covers many initiatives in the works to address the "new NCAA" (even to the point of recognizing its irrelevance as a governing body), how it hopes to police the lawless era its brought about and how all of this is supposed to look like when the dust settles. sports.yahoo.com/with-college-sports-at-a-critical-juncture-is-project-di-the-answer-everything-is-on-the-table-161809460.htmlsome snippets Outside this article, the NIL, while necessary from a labor perspective, has multiplied the very thing steadily corrupting this sport at a breakneck pace (chasing the financial reward) to a breaking point. There is no longer an argument against admonishing greedy, consumerist parents from thinking of kids sports as meal ticket lotteries. If you get on a DI roster, you're going to get PAID (who cares if you perform or have any other life ambition).
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 29, 2024 15:01:14 GMT -6
The short run -- say, the 5 years to come -- I can't say anything about. The longer run of course depends on whether Congress acts. Congress is a loose cannon. You never know what they might do. You might say the rule is always, "Follow the money," but that's a useless guide here, because moneyed interests may well be divergent. So rather than speculate about legislation, I'll just lay out what must happen, inexorably although not on any predictable timetable, if the laws stay as they are.
For college sports and teams that don't make a lot of money, nothing will change. However, the NCAA was organized to do something about big-time money making football, and the issues today as concern other significant money making sports -- basketball and possibly some tournaments -- are the same. The legal regime as it stands will convert all those who play on those teams -- and anyone else who might currently be volunteering their help as costumed mascots or towel carriers -- into employees. There's really no way around it. And since they're employees, they could not be discriminated against by having to be enrolled at the institution to be hired, so eligibility rules could not be applied to them. Competitiveness will lead to teams composed entirely of professionals. And IRS will then look at those operations and question whether they're really integral to the institution's overall operation and part of their tax treatment, and decide "no". So the colleges will spin those programs off, licensing their name, as arm's-length passive investments, like the royalties they collect on inventions.
So the great majority of intercollegiate competition, whether NCAA or otherwise, will be unaffected, while the big time money makers will become professional clubs connected in name only to the institutions. It won't be about the type of sport -- there'll be football and basketball teams on either side of this divide -- only about the individual entries. There may be some schools that spin off a pro team in a sport but also keep a team of their own students so as to be part of their traditional competition -- or the students may organize student clubs to do that. Old rivalries that'd become lopsided in the competition may thus be revived! There was precedent for that in Life Chiropractic College, whose rugby team over the years got too good for the graduate and professional school division; they wound up as home to a team in the nominally professional Super League, and a team of (relatively speaking) scrubs who played in the graduate and professional school division.
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Post by irishdog on Jan 29, 2024 15:59:40 GMT -6
IMHO big time college football as we have known it is dying or already dead. In the future the NFL will rule big time college football played in this country. No different than what you see in Europe with soccer. The same goes for basketball and hockey. The NBA and NHL will rule.
IF (BIG IF) the NCAA survives and sponsors football and basketball as team sports it will either be at the grant-in-aid/non-scholarship level or club level. Other sports, particularly the Olympic sports, will remain scholarship sports. NIL and transfer portal will be history in the NCAA, but not in the Pro/Collegiate programs.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 29, 2024 18:35:37 GMT -6
The short run -- say, the 5 years to come -- I can't say anything about. The longer run of course depends on whether Congress acts. Congress is a loose cannon. You never know what they might do. You might say the rule is always, "Follow the money," but that's a useless guide here, because moneyed interests may well be divergent. So rather than speculate about legislation, I'll just lay out what must happen, inexorably although not on any predictable timetable, if the laws stay as they are. For college sports and teams that don't make a lot of money, nothing will change. However, the NCAA was organized to do something about big-time money making football, and the issues today as concern other significant money making sports -- basketball and possibly some tournaments -- are the same. The legal regime as it stands will convert all those who play on those teams -- and anyone else who might currently be volunteering their help as costumed mascots or towel carriers -- into employees. There's really no way around it. And since they're employees, they could not be discriminated against by having to be enrolled at the institution to be hired, so eligibility rules could not be applied to them. Competitiveness will lead to teams composed entirely of professionals. And IRS will then look at those operations and question whether they're really integral to the institution's overall operation and part of their tax treatment, and decide "no". So the colleges will spin those programs off, licensing their name, as arm's-length passive investments, like the royalties they collect on inventions. So the great majority of intercollegiate competition, whether NCAA or otherwise, will be unaffected, while the big time money makers will become professional clubs connected in name only to the institutions. It won't be about the type of sport -- there'll be football and basketball teams on either side of this divide -- only about the individual entries. There may be some schools that spin off a pro team in a sport but also keep a team of their own students so as to be part of their traditional competition -- or the students may organize student clubs to do that. Old rivalries that'd become lopsided in the competition may thus be revived! There was precedent for that in Life Chiropractic College, whose rugby team over the years got too good for the graduate and professional school division; they wound up as home to a team in the nominally professional Super League, and a team of (relatively speaking) scrubs who played in the graduate and professional school division. The model you propose here, with universities licensing their mascot, colors, likeness, etc to pro clubs that represent them is how I have thought for a long time it should be. What will be interesting to me is: 1) Once these newly formed pro clubs start paying solid salaries (some players are already getting good money through NIL), you will probably start to see some players "linger in the nest a bit longer" so to speak, and choose to keep playing "college ball" as long as they are making good money to avoid having to play at a more challenging and physically taxing level like the NFL. Why go up to pro ball and get the chit beat out of you even more than you already are at the college level, when you could stay at the college level indefinitely now and still make good money? Obviously, that won't be everyone, as there will guys who stand to make mega money in the NFL after 2-3 years in college, so they would go to the NFL instead of sticking around for another year or two 2) Similar to above, there will be guys who, in the past could have stood another year or two in college to raise their draft stock and make more NFL money, but chose to go ahead and declare for the draft and get some money rather than risk getting injured while sticking around in college another year or two and then getting no money, it would now make sense for them to stay in college another year or two to raise their draft stock, because they will now be able to get paid in college, so they are guaranteed at least SOME money regardless of what they do 3) There could be some guys who spend some time in the NFL, make bank, and then when they are winding down at the end of their career, might drop back down to college to make some extra change in the twilight of their career playing at an "easier" level
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 30, 2024 7:07:42 GMT -6
Still, I can't help but try to do a little guesswork as to how Congress might react. There are winners and losers by every development, and those who anticipate being losers could try to stop developments if they see money flowing out of their state. But they're going to have a hard time anticipating that, because no matter how much money's coming into your state in the form of college athletics, how do you know it couldn't be even more? So my guess is that even if this change takes many years, Congress won't react quickly enough to affect it, and it'll be a fait accompli.
We see this in marijuana policy, where states have now for years benefited from businesses going against federal law and operating cannabusinesses. Congress has seemed content for all these years to leave things in this inconvenient state -- nominally illegal, but not enforced, although the fear of even slightly possible enforcement has made federally regulated financial institutions afraid to participate. On the other hand, members of Congress are afraid to take a public stand by legislation affecting these operations one way or another. If and when Congress finally does act, it will probably be to simply ratify, and probably skim from, existing modes of operation.
If there had been a federal-government commission over football or basketball, just as there are state commissions on gaming, horse racing, and boxing, Congress would probably now be too chicken to interfere with whatever decisions such unelected bureaucrats made, even if the commission's overall mode was a general one of corruption favoring the established enterprises. If Congress does act regarding intercollegiate athletics in the current environment or in one as it develops in the near future, they could well establish such a commission and let them catch both the flak and the graft from constituents.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 30, 2024 7:40:33 GMT -6
The issue is fairly obvious on the surface- a group of athletic programs at various colleges have evolved into professional sports organIzations. Look at the websites of some of these programs and you will see Football staffs of 60-70 employees NOT COUNTING the onfield coaching staffs. Athletic program directories of 150-175 people. All on the backs of un paid (not necessarily uncompensated, but definitely compensated under market value)
Some may argure this has “always” been the case, but clearly the vast increases in TV money have just created a system that can not be ignored.
Why would anyone expect an organization (NCAA) designed to handle amateur athletic policy and procedures with regards to academic institutions
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Post by veerwego on Feb 13, 2024 11:34:42 GMT -6
The issue is fairly obvious on the surface- a group of athletic programs at various colleges have evolved into professional sports organIzations. Look at the websites of some of these programs and you will see Football staffs of 60-70 employees NOT COUNTING the onfield coaching staffs. Athletic program directories of 150-175 people. All on the backs of un paid (not necessarily uncompensated, but definitely compensated under market value) Some may argure this has “always” been the case, but clearly the vast increases in TV money have just created a system that can not be ignored. Why would anyone expect an organization (NCAA) designed to handle amateur athletic policy and procedures with regards to academic institutions This is my retirement/save college football plan: Start a crowdfunded organization of disgruntled football fans to remake college football. 60 teams in 1a - 6 10 team regional conferences and I prefer 8 teams in playoffs. Coaches have to adhere to contracts. You can transfer, but you have to sit out a year. If you stay in same school you can play a 5th year. Schools work together to set up a college version of salary cap. Have relegation and promotion, so all schools have a shot to move up.
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Post by CoachK on Feb 13, 2024 12:10:02 GMT -6
I think that 60 team super-league is all but an inevitability at this point. The SEC/Big 10 merger is coming.
The economic issues with player comp is the interesting part. Brock Purdy has made a little under 2 million in his career. Cam Ward got $7 million to transfer from WSU. College ball is a true free market right now and it will take time for the dust to settle and some semblance of order to fall into place.
Right now it's European soccer, gone overnight to the highest bidder. I don't think anyone truly wants that, so the answer is probably some salary pool that is even among the super league teams.
The big thing to remember is that it's not the kids and their families that are to blame here. The history and tradition of the sport were unceremoniously torn asunder by MBAs in suits who maneuvered for giant TV deals. The American economy is in full robber-baron mode and sports is no exception. All social contracts are gone. If you want to change it, stop watching.
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Post by veerwego on Feb 13, 2024 12:20:00 GMT -6
I think that 60 team super-league is all but an inevitability at this point. The SEC/Big 10 merger is coming. The economic issues with player comp is the interesting part. Brock Purdy has made a little under 2 million in his career. Cam Ward got $7 million to transfer from WSU. College ball is a true free market right now and it will take time for the dust to settle and some semblance of order to fall into place. Right now it's European soccer, gone overnight to the highest bidder. I don't think anyone truly wants that, so the answer is probably some salary pool that is even among the super league teams. The big thing to remember is that it's not the kids and their families that are to blame here. The history and tradition of the sport were unceremoniously torn asunder by MBAs in suits who maneuvered for giant TV deals. The American economy is in full robber-baron mode and sports is no exception. All social contracts are gone. If you want to change it, stop watching. Yes, the key point of membership in my organization is that you have to be willing to boycott a season, both in person and on TV. Only way to right the ship.
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Post by blb on Feb 13, 2024 12:55:41 GMT -6
The biggest problem has been since the enacting of Title IX.
And first let me say I'm for Title IX because I'm father of two daughters, glad that Women's Sports have been expanded-got on equal footing.
College athletes have been getting "paid" through scholarships for a long time.
At universities like Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State etc. the scholarships, facilities, equipment, travel, coaches' salaries - not just for women but all "Non-Revenue" sports - get paid for by Football (and in rare instances Basketball).
The Football schools can only fund all their sports (Ohio State has I think 36 total for ex.) if the Football team wins-brings in TV revenue and ticket sales.
Thus they must win.
So they have to hire a HC that can - and pay him the "market value."
That's why coaches' salaries have exploded.
Even if Nick Saban was making $10 million a year at Bama that wasn't big for what he was doing for the university's athletic program as a whole.
And college scholarships are not cheap, either.
Those "student-athletes" don't leave with the student loan debt most will even if they don't get a red cent of NIL money.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 13, 2024 13:05:09 GMT -6
The biggest problem has been since the enacting of Title IX. And first let me say I'm for Title IX because I'm father of two daughters, glad that Women's Sports have been expanded-got on equal footing. College athletes have been getting "paid" through scholarships for a long time. At universities like Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State etc. the scholarships, facilities, equipment, travel, coaches' salaries - not just for women but all "Non-Revenue" sports - get paid for by Football (and in rare instances Basketball). The Football schools can only fund all their sports (Ohio State has I think 36 total for ex.) if the Football team wins-brings in TV revenue and ticket sales. Thus they must win. So they have to hire a HC that can - and pay him the "market value." That's why coaches' salaries have exploded. Even if Nick Saban was making $10 million a year at Bama that wasn't big for what he was doing for the university's athletic program as a whole. And college scholarships are not cheap, either. Those "student-athletes" don't leave with the student loan debt most will even if they don't get a red cent of NIL money. This is only a problem when the athletic program becomes a professional sports organization that can not be funded through the university like extra curricular athletic programs could be.
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Post by blb on Feb 13, 2024 13:14:38 GMT -6
This is only a problem when the athletic program becomes a professional sports organization that can not be funded through the university like extra curricular athletic programs could be. You are correct - but isn't that what we're talking about? FCS, D-2, D-3 - they have much different issues financially. Even G5 football programs have to try to do NIL or lose their best players to the P5s. Jayden Read (now with Packers) was a freshman All-American at my G5 alma mater. A year later he was playing for Michigan State (as one example).
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 13, 2024 18:11:30 GMT -6
And college scholarships are not cheap, either. That's because most of college is a racket too.
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Post by jg78 on Feb 17, 2024 8:11:33 GMT -6
I believe this is the problem…
1. Fans want the absolute best players they can get, which (at the highest level of CFB, are world class athletes with NFL futures) regardless of where they come from. Alabama fans would rather have a great player from California or Sydney, Australia, than a good player from Tuscaloosa. This makes the games more exciting and increases their school’s chances of winning, but it’s not helping Tommy Tuscaloosa out and the fans don’t care about that.
2. Fans want players to love their school and have the loyalty and passion of Tommy Tuscaloosa when that stud from California or Australia (who doesn’t even know who Bear Bryant is) arrives on campus. A lot of Bama fans are upset at Isaiah Bond, who caught the winning pass against Auburn, bolting for Texas for his own self-interests. But when you sign mercenaries for the sake of winning, expect mercenary loyalty.
3. Fans want players who are legitimate students who are satisfied with programs bringing in untold millions, HC’s making eight figures, and coordinators making seven figures - all off their backs.
That’s asking a lot.
I also think the world’s changed quite a bit. Tons of high school and college age kids are making bank on social media, etc.,in ways that didn’t even exist a generation ago. Seems unfair to lock high profile college players out of that.
At the end of the day, college should benefit the “students.” Let the students make what they can from NIL and if some oil tycoon from Texas wants to “buy” a roster, go for it. That’s no less ridiculous than coaches with nine figure contracts for running an extracurricular activity at an institution of higher learning.
The richest programs are going to win anyway just like they have for many years. The bottom feeders can’t afford the staff and facilities of places like Georgia and Ohio State. NIL and the transfer portal aren’t going to change the pecking order. You’re just going to have wealthy athletes that are more transient.
This has been a long time coming as TV deals and coaching salaries have escalated exponentially.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 17, 2024 8:46:26 GMT -6
I believe this is the problem… 1. Fans want the absolute best players they can get, which (at the highest level of CFB, are world class athletes with NFL futures) regardless of where they come from. Alabama fans would rather have a great player from California or Sydney, Australia, than a good player from Tuscaloosa. This makes the games more exciting and increases their school’s chances of winning, but it’s not helping Tommy Tuscaloosa out and the fans don’t care about that. 2. Fans want players to love their school and have the loyalty and passion of Tommy Tuscaloosa when that stud from California or Australia (who doesn’t even know who Bear Bryant is) arrives on campus. A lot of Bama fans are upset at Isaiah Bond, who caught the winning pass against Auburn, bolting for Texas for his own self-interests. But when you sign mercenaries for the sake of winning, expect mercenary loyalty. 3. Fans want players who are legitimate students who are satisfied with programs bringing in untold millions, HC’s making eight figures, and coordinators making seven figures - all off their backs. That’s asking a lot. I also think the world’s changed quite a bit. Tons of high school and college age kids are making bank on social media, etc.,in ways that didn’t even exist a generation ago. Seems unfair to lock high profile college players out of that. At the end of the day, college should benefit the “students.” Let the students make what they can from NIL and if some oil tycoon from Texas wants to “buy” a roster, go for it. That’s no less ridiculous than coaches with nine figure contracts for running an extracurricular activity at an institution of higher learning. The richest programs are going to win anyway just like they have for many years. The bottom feeders can’t afford the staff and facilities of places like Georgia and Ohio State. NIL and the transfer portal aren’t going to change the pecking order. You’re just going to have wealthy athletes that are more transient. This has been a long time coming as TV deals and coaching salaries have escalated exponentially. I wouldn't say this is "the" problem, as in the only issue surrounding college football. But it certainly is one of the issues. Fans want the "fairy tale", and were quite content being "told" that these were student athletes, just like you are/were/wish you had been, and that there was an innocence to the whole system. That these weren't cynical NFL organizations doing it for the money, but rather passionate students doing it "for the love of the game". It has now come to light what many 'knew" but wasn't ever official and therefore could be ignored: college athletics are professional sports organizations just like MLB, NFL, NBA etc- but with a much greater power differential between management and labor. The problem is that nobody ever stopped to ask why Alabama had 56 employees from 4 departments named Crimson Tide Sports Marketing, Crimson Tide Productions, Crimson Tide Foundation and Crimson Tide Hospitality. Why LSU "needed" a tiktock and instagram worthy locker room while their band building legitimately had to put buckets out every time it rained and other buildings on campus are plagued with mold and leaks. www.lsureveille.com/news/lsu-building-plagues-with-mold-leaks-being-remodeled/article_c809c3e6-9896-11ee-942a-bb1b31ccdf64.html Fans (for their own benefit) would simply link the schools and athletic programs as one happy family, just like the "old days" (didn't really exist but was much less pronounced then). Now it is becoming impossible to believe the fairy tale, and people are struggling with the reality. I would say the ultimate underlying problem is that for well more than half a century, some of the parties involved (NCAA and member institutions) evolved into professional sports organizations while at the same time wielding a disproportionate level of power over the other party (the athletes) and proclaimed - Nope you are just like that English Lit Student or Accounting student, with even less privileges or freedoms. For decades the NCAA and member institutions have operated as if Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels are the same as the 28 members of the UNC field hockey team that split 12 scholarships- while CLEARLY BENEFITING from one group more than the other. The pendulum is swinging back for the first time, in a very forceful manner. What I think is interesting, and may be an indicator for the future, is women's basketball. As a brand, it is starting to outperform mens college basketball in some areas- because of the ability to build on a brand as opposed to a fresh new team every year.
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Post by irishdog on Feb 17, 2024 8:54:11 GMT -6
The term "student-athlete" can no longer be considered a "blanket" term in big-time college football. Yes, maybe in Division III where there are no athletic scholarships, and possibly in the IVY League where a prospect's talent can be "translated" into his academic prowess. "Fans" of big-time college football are more interested in QBR than GPA. Care more about 5 stars than gold stars. "Amateurs?" HA! Those are the guys playing intramural football. Historically the word "student" in the term "student-athlete" has long been a misnomer. There have been many colleges, college football coaches, and college football fans who have played a part in recruiting those football "mercenaries" who have taken advantage of the word "amateur."
Big-time college football today (NIL, transfer portal, MONEY) has become even more of a Big-Business than ever before. That's fine. But let's not pretend anymore that it is what it isn't. I still hold to the belief that the big-business of pro football (NFL) will find a way to strike a deal with the big-business of college football (ESPN) to create a semi-professional "collegiate" football league. Of course Big-Money will win out. At that point Colleges/Universities that can't afford the investment of that new European Club format will be forced to make a choice to either continue playing football at a scholarship level, or de-emphasize football, or eliminate football altogether.
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Post by carookie on Feb 17, 2024 15:13:27 GMT -6
The term "student-athlete" can no longer be considered a "blanket" term in big-time college football. Yes, maybe in Division III where there are no athletic scholarships, and possibly in the IVY League where a prospect's talent can be "translated" into his academic prowess. "Fans" of big-time college football are more interested in QBR than GPA. Care more about 5 stars than gold stars. "Amateurs?" HA! Those are the guys playing intramural football. Historically the word "student" in the term "student-athlete" has long been a misnomer. There have been many colleges, college football coaches, and college football fans who have played a part in recruiting those football "mercenaries" who have taken advantage of the word "amateur." Big-time college football today (NIL, transfer portal, MONEY) has become even more of a Big-Business than ever before. That's fine. But let's not pretend anymore that it is what it isn't. I still hold to the belief that the big-business of pro football (NFL) will find a way to strike a deal with the big-business of college football (ESPN) to create a semi-professional "collegiate" football league. Of course Big-Money will win out. At that point Colleges/Universities that can't afford the investment of that new European Club format will be forced to make a choice to either continue playing football at a scholarship level, or de-emphasize football, or eliminate football altogether. I really hope all those FBS schools that don't make the cut into the new minor league level just return to how things are in FCS. There seems to be plenty of FCS schools that are doing just fine. Yes, it will be a cut in budget for them, but then things will balance back out.
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Post by jg78 on Feb 17, 2024 21:35:47 GMT -6
Not just that but beautiful young women are very popular on social media. Olivia Dunne, a gymnast from LSU, has millions of followers on her accounts, and I don't think she's supposed to be anything special as a college athlete. A generation ago (without all the convenient platforms accessible on smartphones to show off her attractiveness) I doubt anyone would have heard of her. But she's a seven figure earner with 2024 technology, and I am sure LSU's athletic department has benefited from her fame.
It's just a different world for college kids today.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 17, 2024 21:50:00 GMT -6
Not just that but beautiful young women are very popular on social media. Olivia Dunne, a gymnast from LSU, has millions of followers on her accounts, and I don't think she's supposed to be anything special as a college athlete. A generation ago (without all the convenient platforms accessible on smartphones to show off her attractiveness) I doubt anyone would have heard of her. But she's a seven figure earner with 2024 technology, and I am sure LSU's athletic department has benefited from her fame. It's just a different world for college kids today. I wasn't really talking about that aspect. I was talking about the men's college game has almost zero name recognition outside of a few coaches, yet the women's game is growing in popularity at a great rate. Recently a game featuring Iowa just had better ratings than a competing NBA game, and the women's college game is much more popular than its professional counterpart.
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Post by jg78 on Feb 17, 2024 22:06:20 GMT -6
Yeah, but it's an aspect that can further increase the popularity of women's sports vs. men's sports that used to not be the case - at least not to the same extent.
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Post by blb on Feb 18, 2024 9:50:39 GMT -6
If you want to see CFB played by real student-athletes, go to games at your local D-III school.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 18, 2024 10:27:12 GMT -6
If you want to see CFB played by real student-athletes, go to games at your local D-III school. What is a D-III school? And that is another underlying issue. The 28 girls on the UNC field hockey team actually aren't that different than the girls on the Middlebury women's team (had to look that up). That just isn't the case with Marvin Harrison Jr or Malik Neighbors compared to their Div III counterparts. I get it, programs like Ohio State, LSU etc are probably right in thinking that Louisiana Monroe (ULM) Warhawks or the New Mexico Lobos should not be considered the same as they are with regards to policy. The problem is that while all 4 have academic institutions, 2 of those 4 have professional sports organizations operating using monikers and colors adopted by the university. But those pro sports organizations REALLY only have to do with Football and mens basketball to a lesser extent. So it gets very chaotic, because the ULM Tennis team is probably not significantly different than the OSU tennis team, than the New Mexico Tennis team etc.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 19, 2024 7:22:36 GMT -6
I also think the world’s changed quite a bit. Tons of high school and college age kids are making bank on social media, etc.,in ways that didn’t even exist a generation ago. True, but not unprecedented. I tutored a student at The Professional Children's School, which is how I learned about it. She was a world-class violinist but needed help with AP calculus and chemistry. I don't know if the school ever has plays or concerts, but if they did it would be like varsity sports with professional players. The main difference is that most entertainment is not competitive! The PCS and the NCAA are the same age. What happened soon after the founding of the NCAA was compromise by hypocrisy. The NCAA was founded to abolish the big business aspect of intercollegiate football, and for a while it looked like they were going to accomplish that by abolishing intercollegiate football, gradually squeezing it down to nothing. But since they couldn't abolish, well...greed..., what they wound up doing instead by about 1930 was satisfying the desires of institutions that wanted spectator sports to be a big deal for them, while leaving the athletes themselves out of the cash room.
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Post by CoachK on Feb 19, 2024 12:52:50 GMT -6
The biggest problem has been since the enacting of Title IX. And first let me say I'm for Title IX because I'm father of two daughters, glad that Women's Sports have been expanded-got on equal footing. College athletes have been getting "paid" through scholarships for a long time. At universities like Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State etc. the scholarships, facilities, equipment, travel, coaches' salaries - not just for women but all "Non-Revenue" sports - get paid for by Football (and in rare instances Basketball). The Football schools can only fund all their sports (Ohio State has I think 36 total for ex.) if the Football team wins-brings in TV revenue and ticket sales. Thus they must win. So they have to hire a HC that can - and pay him the "market value." That's why coaches' salaries have exploded. Even if Nick Saban was making $10 million a year at Bama that wasn't big for what he was doing for the university's athletic program as a whole. And college scholarships are not cheap, either. Those "student-athletes" don't leave with the student loan debt most will even if they don't get a red cent of NIL money. And Saban, along with Kirby Smart and Sarkesian and Lincoln Riley, are not winning at the demanded levels without the very best players. That's the part that's been equalized.
Every single college football coach will tell you that the way to move up in the ranks is recruit. Everything else is secondary. The players matter more. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that's the belief of everybody in college football that matters.
Caleb Williams did more for USC than any single student there and arguably more than Riley does. In a sport that is now entirely dominated by cash, that matters. It stopped being about the education the first time Bud Wilksenson asked his oil baron friends to help him recruit.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 19, 2024 14:08:39 GMT -6
Caleb Williams did more for USC than any single student there and arguably more than Riley does. I am not going to disagree, but USC football made plenty of cash before Caleb Williams and will make plenty of money after Caleb Williams.
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Post by irishdog on Feb 19, 2024 20:49:02 GMT -6
If you want to see CFB played by real student-athletes, go to games at your local D-III school. You couldn't be more correct. I know first-hand after coaching football and track at the Division III level that the athletes under my tutelage in both sports were TRULY student-athletes. I did have a few "scholly seekers" in football (not track), who thought they were better than D3 and used us as a stepping stone to a higher level, BUT...to their credit they did get accepted academically to a very competitive academic D3 institution, and DID get accepted at another competitive academic school at the FCS level. Proof IMO that recruiting might be able to measure height, weight, speed, jumping ability, arm length, etc. but it can't measure an athlete's character, nor heart.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 19, 2024 23:25:56 GMT -6
If you want to see CFB played by real student-athletes, go to games at your local D-III school. I somewhat regret playing D3 ball. I accumulated A LOT of debt in order to play ball, which I was glad to do at the time, but it's 20 years later and I'm still on the hook for some of it.
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Post by CoachK on Feb 20, 2024 11:04:30 GMT -6
Caleb Williams did more for USC than any single student there and arguably more than Riley does. I am not going to disagree, but USC football made plenty of cash before Caleb Williams and will make plenty of money after Caleb Williams. Sure, but it's called the Flutie Effect for a reason. Can anybody even name the coach of that BC team without looking it up?
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Post by blb on Feb 20, 2024 11:13:09 GMT -6
I am not going to disagree, but USC football made plenty of cash before Caleb Williams and will make plenty of money after Caleb Williams. Sure, but it's called the Flutie Effect for a reason. Can anybody even name the coach of that BC team without looking it up? Yes. Jack Bicknell.
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Post by CoachK on Feb 20, 2024 11:41:46 GMT -6
OK, you don't count. You could probably name the backup kicker.
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