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Post by tog on Jan 13, 2024 22:01:33 GMT -6
Looks like football under 12 is on the way to being banned in CALI Interesting fuckkkk california in every way except the beauty and climate but that is {censored} up
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 14, 2024 8:56:35 GMT -6
1. A good number of the kids clearly don't want to be there; they're being made to play by their parents. I This is what bothers me the most about coaching, but fortunately "a good number" doesn't have to be "many" everywhere. Kids subjected to bad coaches is bad, but not as bad as kids who didn't want football at all. I'm writing as someone whose parents tried to convince me that piano lessons was my idea. They bought a Steinway. And put it in the part of the living room where the roof leaked. I quit as soon as they'd let me, years later, which was the time I was entering a prep school. And never since then has it occurred as people say, "You'll regret quitting."
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Post by olliebaba14 on Jan 14, 2024 9:18:13 GMT -6
I thought football would be banned around 2012 after I graduated HS
I lived thru Covid and the constant furor over masks and letting the kids play
If HS FB got banned people would lose their {censored}.
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Post by irishdog on Jan 14, 2024 10:44:08 GMT -6
Played "youth" sports when I was a kid. We would gather at a local field in the fall and choose sides to play a little tackle football. Or, gather at that same field in the summer and choose sides to play a little baseball. Or, when I lived in the city the neighborhood kids would get together and play a little stickball. Played Babe Ruth baseball in JH, but didn't play organized football until I went to high school. My parents NEVER forced me to play any sport, but they always encouraged me to go out and play with my friends.
When I got to HS some of my friends who played football in JH convinced me to play in HS and were more experienced and advanced than I so I spent most of my HS time learning how to play the game as a freshman, honing my skills as a sophomore, serving as a backup as a junior, and playing a lot as a senior. All of those experiences taught me to LOVE playing the game, and WANTING to play more after HS. Couldn't get enough of the gamet. I had fun playing in college, and was NEVER misled to believe I had the talent to become a pro. I enjoyed the game so much I wanted to write about it so I majored in journalism. However my old HS coach contacted me to ask if I would be interested in helping coach his freshman team and, well...50 years later I still LOVE the game, but hate seeing what's happening to it.
A state government, or federal government taking away the freedom for us to choose whether our kids should play the game before age 12 or not is NOT the answer though.
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Post by olliebaba14 on Jan 14, 2024 11:07:56 GMT -6
Agreed
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Post by fantom on Jan 14, 2024 11:38:31 GMT -6
Played "youth" sports when I was a kid. We would gather at a local field in the fall and choose sides to play a little tackle football. Or, gather at that same field in the summer and choose sides to play a little baseball. Or, when I lived in the city the neighborhood kids would get together and play a little stickball. Played Babe Ruth baseball in JH, but didn't play organized football until I went to high school. My parents NEVER forced me to play any sport, but they always encouraged me to go out and play with my friends. When I got to HS some of my friends who played football in JH convinced me to play in HS and were more experienced and advanced than I so I spent most of my HS time learning how to play the game as a freshman, honing my skills as a sophomore, serving as a backup as a junior, and playing a lot as a senior. All of those experiences taught me to LOVE playing the game, and WANTING to play more after HS. Couldn't get enough of the gamet. I had fun playing in college, and was NEVER misled to believe I had the talent to become a pro. I enjoyed the game so much I wanted to write about it so I majored in journalism. However my old HS coach contacted me to ask if I would be interested in helping coach his freshman team and, well...50 years later I still LOVE the game, but hate seeing what's happening to it. A state government, or federal government taking away the freedom for us to choose whether our kids should play the game before age 12 or not is NOT the answer though. I "liked" your post because I agreed with most of it. Your experience with "youth" sports mirrored mine: We played a lot of tackle football, just not on organized teams. Your last statement contradicts that, though. As far as I know the bill in Cal. would only ban ORGANIZED tackle football for kids under 12. The cols will NOT be on the lookout for backyard 3-on-3 games.
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Post by irishdog on Jan 14, 2024 11:54:58 GMT -6
Played "youth" sports when I was a kid. We would gather at a local field in the fall and choose sides to play a little tackle football. Or, gather at that same field in the summer and choose sides to play a little baseball. Or, when I lived in the city the neighborhood kids would get together and play a little stickball. Played Babe Ruth baseball in JH, but didn't play organized football until I went to high school. My parents NEVER forced me to play any sport, but they always encouraged me to go out and play with my friends. When I got to HS some of my friends who played football in JH convinced me to play in HS and were more experienced and advanced than I so I spent most of my HS time learning how to play the game as a freshman, honing my skills as a sophomore, serving as a backup as a junior, and playing a lot as a senior. All of those experiences taught me to LOVE playing the game, and WANTING to play more after HS. Couldn't get enough of the gamet. I had fun playing in college, and was NEVER misled to believe I had the talent to become a pro. I enjoyed the game so much I wanted to write about it so I majored in journalism. However my old HS coach contacted me to ask if I would be interested in helping coach his freshman team and, well...50 years later I still LOVE the game, but hate seeing what's happening to it. A state government, or federal government taking away the freedom for us to choose whether our kids should play the game before age 12 or not is NOT the answer though. I "liked" your post because I agreed with most of it. Your experience with "youth" sports mirrored mine: We played a lot of tackle football, just not on organized teams. Your last statement contradicts that, though. As far as I know the bill in Cal. would only ban ORGANIZED tackle football for kids under 12. The cols will NOT be on the lookout for backyard 3-on-3 games. Then the government should ban other organized sports for kids under 12 as well because of the "dangers" and risks to the kids. Gymnastics? Wrestling? Skiing? Hockey? Basketball? Baseball? You want to see people lose their **** ? Just Watch. NO, just leave it alone and let parents have the freedom to choose what THEY think is good for their kids, or not.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 14, 2024 12:15:07 GMT -6
Played "youth" sports when I was a kid. We would gather at a local field in the fall and choose sides to play a little tackle football. Or, gather at that same field in the summer and choose sides to play a little baseball. Or, when I lived in the city the neighborhood kids would get together and play a little stickball. Played Babe Ruth baseball in JH, but didn't play organized football until I went to high school. My parents NEVER forced me to play any sport, but they always encouraged me to go out and play with my friends. When I got to HS some of my friends who played football in JH convinced me to play in HS and were more experienced and advanced than I so I spent most of my HS time learning how to play the game as a freshman, honing my skills as a sophomore, serving as a backup as a junior, and playing a lot as a senior. All of those experiences taught me to LOVE playing the game, and WANTING to play more after HS. Couldn't get enough of the gamet. I had fun playing in college, and was NEVER misled to believe I had the talent to become a pro. I enjoyed the game so much I wanted to write about it so I majored in journalism. However my old HS coach contacted me to ask if I would be interested in helping coach his freshman team and, well...50 years later I still LOVE the game, but hate seeing what's happening to it. A state government, or federal government taking away the freedom for us to choose whether our kids should play the game before age 12 or not is NOT the answer though. I "liked" your post because I agreed with most of it. Your experience with "youth" sports mirrored mine: We played a lot of tackle football, just not on organized teams. Your last statement contradicts that, though. As far as I know the bill in Cal. would only ban ORGANIZED tackle football for kids under 12. The cols will NOT be on the lookout for backyard 3-on-3 games. That's good, because the last version of the Benedetto bill in NY I looked at -- which was close to a decade ago -- actually was to make illegal even the playing of tackle football by those under age, and also imposed criminal liability on those whose land was being played on. I don't recall seeing any of these bills as having a definition of tackle football, so it's not clear whether loopholes were possible by changing a few things and saying, "This is not football." What if, for instance, they played rugby? Or American Sevens? Or Canadian football?
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Post by fantom on Jan 14, 2024 12:22:07 GMT -6
I "liked" your post because I agreed with most of it. Your experience with "youth" sports mirrored mine: We played a lot of tackle football, just not on organized teams. Your last statement contradicts that, though. As far as I know the bill in Cal. would only ban ORGANIZED tackle football for kids under 12. The cols will NOT be on the lookout for backyard 3-on-3 games. That's good, because the last version of the Benedetto bill in NY I looked at -- which was close to a decade ago -- actually was to make illegal even the playing of tackle football by those under age, and also imposed criminal liability on those whose land was being played on. I don't recall seeing any of these bills as having a definition of tackle football, so it's not clear whether loopholes were possible by changing a few things and saying, "This is not football." What if, for instance, they played rugby? Or American Sevens? Or Canadian football? No, that's not what the Benedetto bill said: nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A01269&term=2017&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Committee%26nbspVotes=Y&Floor%26nbspVotes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 14, 2024 17:11:52 GMT -6
That's good, because the last version of the Benedetto bill in NY I looked at -- which was close to a decade ago -- actually was to make illegal even the playing of tackle football by those under age, and also imposed criminal liability on those whose land was being played on. I don't recall seeing any of these bills as having a definition of tackle football, so it's not clear whether loopholes were possible by changing a few things and saying, "This is not football." What if, for instance, they played rugby? Or American Sevens? Or Canadian football? No, that's not what the Benedetto bill said: nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A01269&term=2017&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Committee%26nbspVotes=Y&Floor%26nbspVotes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y Then either that was a phantom of mine to begin with, or else after I left NY it was amended to exclude peer-organized play. However, it does include rugby. Still, it seems to allow tackling under adult supervision as long at the adult is not doing it as part of an organization.
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Post by fantom on Jan 17, 2024 21:05:08 GMT -6
The California bill was vetoed by the governor.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 18, 2024 9:18:58 GMT -6
The California bill was vetoed by the governor. Meaning it'd not only passed the committee (as the story said), but while we were discussing this, it actually passed the entire legislature?!! I know a lot of crazy things happen as a legislative deadline approaches, but this is awful news. Meanwhile I've figured out that olliebaba meant "full contact" by "FC", but "tacklebar" I had to look up: tacklebar.com/ Apparently it's like flag football but the flags are on the small of your back and your opponent is allowed to hold you while grabbing for it. The video probably has edited out of it the many times I'm sure the ballcarrier and/or tackler wound up going to the ground inadvertently, as in "thud" practice if you did it competitively and swallowed your whistle.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 18, 2024 9:43:39 GMT -6
Meanwhile I've figured out that olliebaba meant "full contact" by "FC", but "tacklebar" I had to look up: tacklebar.com/ Apparently it's like flag football but the flags are on the small of your back and your opponent is allowed to hold you while grabbing for it. The video probably has edited out of it the many times I'm sure the ballcarrier and/or tackler wound up going to the ground inadvertently, as in "thud" practice if you did it competitively and swallowed your whistle. I don't know about you, but if I were coaching in a tacklebar league, rather than having my players reach for those "bars" while the runner is held up, I'd have them go for the ball. I imagine the officials are told not to whistle forward progress, but wait for the bar to come off. I don't know whether the rules bar a second tackler from coming in, but my way wouldn't require that. Maybe they anticipated my method and treat a lost ball as dead with no change in possession. I gather they wanted to get away from the high speed collisions that I'm told tend to occur in flag. But after collisions related to the tackle are addressed, you still have the collisions related to blocking, which is allowed in this game.
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Post by CS on Jan 18, 2024 9:51:08 GMT -6
Looks like football under 12 is on the way to being banned in CALI Interesting fuckkkk california in every way except the beauty and climate but that is {censored} up Absolutely
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 18, 2024 13:04:33 GMT -6
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Post by canesfan on Jan 18, 2024 14:45:16 GMT -6
It was a dumb idea. I know a lot of people want their kid to wait to play football, but it shouldn’t be mandatory. My 7 year old plays ball and loves it. He has good coaches (thankful I don’t have to after varsity practice), and I didn’t see any collisions that were even remotely hard at that age.
We love football. He has fun playing football. At recess the kids in his grade have a touch football league they created.
Having been around all kinds of youth sports, youth football it doesn’t seem any more dangerous than any of the rest of them.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 18, 2024 18:34:54 GMT -6
Looks like football under 12 is on the way to being banned in CALI Interesting fuckkkk california in every way except the beauty and climate but that is {censored} up Living in Illinois you get all the stupid policies of California, without the scenery and weather. It's fantastic...
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2024 19:21:53 GMT -6
fuckkkk california in every way except the beauty and climate but that is {censored} up Living in Illinois you get all the stupid policies of California, without the scenery and weather. It's fantastic... i can't even comment any more
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Post by silkyice on Jan 19, 2024 10:04:54 GMT -6
fuckkkk california in every way except the beauty and climate but that is {censored} up Living in Illinois you get all the stupid policies of California, without the scenery and weather. It's fantastic... Hahahahaha
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Post by chadavan on Jan 19, 2024 10:58:27 GMT -6
fuckkkk california in every way except the beauty and climate but that is {censored} up Living in Illinois you get all the stupid policies of California, without the scenery and weather. It's fantastic... Who you vote for is important. Problem is, most people don't know what they are voting for, and in actuality, vote against their own interests
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 19, 2024 13:10:47 GMT -6
Living in Illinois you get all the stupid policies of California, without the scenery and weather. It's fantastic... Who you vote for is important. Problem is, most people don't know what they are voting for, and in actuality, vote against their own interests It doesn't matter who I vote for in Illinois state politics. We are completely overridden by Chicagoland.
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Post by irishdog on Jan 19, 2024 13:18:16 GMT -6
Who you vote for is important. Problem is, most people don't know what they are voting for, and in actuality, vote against their own interests It doesn't matter who I vote for in Illinois state politics. We are completely overridden by Chicagoland. It is why my relatives have all left Chicago, and Illinois. They said, "Y'all can go to hell, I'm going to Texas!" They couldn't be happier.
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