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Post by olliebaba14 on Jan 10, 2024 15:29:54 GMT -6
Looks like football under 12 is on the way to being banned in CALI
Interesting
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 10, 2024 15:46:50 GMT -6
Thank God.
Ban it everywhere.
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Post by blb on Jan 10, 2024 16:00:37 GMT -6
Thank God. Ban it everywhere. I'm not in favor of Tackle Football before 5th Grade (MS or JH) but it's not as simple as that. A lot of kids start playing Soccer at very early ages and thus never even give Football a try. They see themselves as Soccer (and-or Basketball-Baseball players) and that's what they do.
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Post by immiru on Jan 11, 2024 8:02:41 GMT -6
FWIW - It may surprise parents to know that, at the youth level, organized football among 5- to 15-year-olds has 12% fewer injuries per player than organized soccer in the same age range, 50% fewer injuries than bicycle riding, and 74% fewer injuries than skateboarding. In general, football-related injuries tend to vary inversely with the players’ age (and associated size and force exerted through contact) in that youth players sustain less than one-third the injuries of high school football players, less than one-fifth the injuries of collegiate players, and less than one-ninth those seen in professional football players. Despite the perception that the majority of football participants will eventually sustain an injury, a recent study by USA Football found that more than 90 percent of the youth players did not suffer an injury that restricted participation. Contusions were the most common injuries (35%), followed by ligament sprains (15%). Fewer than 4% of the youth players sustained a concussion. ... CITE: orthoinfo.aaos.org/en/staying-healthy/ortho-pinion-football-injuries-in-young-athletes/#:~:text=It%20may%20surprise%20parents%20to,74%25%20fewer%20injuries%20than%20skateboarding.
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lws55
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Post by lws55 on Jan 11, 2024 8:31:17 GMT -6
California has been trying to ban youth football for several years now.
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Post by chadavan on Jan 11, 2024 8:49:20 GMT -6
Apparently, they don't watch 8-year-olds play football. It's more wrestling than hard-htting football.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 11, 2024 12:58:37 GMT -6
football-related injuries tend to vary inversely with the players’ age (and associated size and force exerted through contact) in that youth players sustain less than one-third the injuries of high school football players, less than one-fifth the injuries of collegiate players, and less than one-ninth those seen in professional football players. All the more remarkable when you consider that the older the players get, the less playing time they get. There are no bench sitters in children's football. I don't know what the median age of active football players is, but it's got to be below teen age. If you were to re-figure the median age of players who were actually in the game on a given play, it'd skew even younger, because there are so many interscholastic and intercollegiate players "on the team" who aren't often on the field. Only the pros are an anomaly because they can't afford to carry no-play players, although they do have specialists.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 11, 2024 13:00:08 GMT -6
Apparently, they don't watch 8-year-olds play football. It's more wrestling than hard-htting football. But...they're probably against wrestling, too.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 11, 2024 18:25:17 GMT -6
Apparently, they don't watch 8-year-olds play football. It's more wrestling than hard-htting football. But...they're probably against wrestling, too. I was just going to post that those that don't like football also don't like wrestling.
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Post by chi5hi on Jan 11, 2024 21:07:41 GMT -6
Yeah, Cali-formula (named because of the Meth labs and Pot dispensaries) will have to ban skateboards, kids climbing trees, Monkey Bars, swings, bike riding...anything that might give little Johnny a skinned knee. OH MY!
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Post by fantom on Jan 11, 2024 22:06:54 GMT -6
This doesn't bother me at all because I think kids' lives are too regimented. I think that, rather than playing organized team sports, they should be playing outside, figuring out things for themselves.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 12, 2024 0:09:10 GMT -6
This doesn't bother me at all because I think kids' lives are too regimented. I think that, rather than playing organized team sports, they should be playing outside, figuring out things for themselves. I agree, there isn't enough recess in schools today, much less nap time. On the other hand I grew in the South and we played 'tackle' football beginning in the 1st grade.... and we were probably better coached than most HS programs today.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 12, 2024 11:56:21 GMT -6
This doesn't bother me at all because I think kids' lives are too regimented. I think that, rather than playing organized team sports, they should be playing outside, figuring out things for themselves. Yes, but there are a few who want and seem to do well with the regimentation. They're already used to it from school, and if they like it, why not? If anything, it's school hours that should be cut down; it's for the convenience of parents anyway.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 12, 2024 14:30:19 GMT -6
Weird take. This could inadvertently lead to an increase in participation at the older levels.
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Post by raider92 on Jan 12, 2024 14:38:14 GMT -6
I agree that youth football is, in a lot of cases, more trouble than it's worth.
The danger here though is this; once they ban youth football they'll start coming for high school football. The onward march towards utopia never stops.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 12, 2024 14:42:31 GMT -6
Weird take. This could inadvertently lead to an increase in participation at the older levels. How?
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Post by silkyice on Jan 12, 2024 15:27:12 GMT -6
Weird take. This could inadvertently lead to an increase in participation at the older levels. How? 2 reasons 1) teenagers love banned and perceived dangerous things 2) Many kids play youth football and don’t like it because of the coach or their bodies really weren’t ready for collision sports at that time. If those same kids were to wait a few years and then give football a chance, they might enjoy it and then play in high school.
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Post by fantom on Jan 12, 2024 15:51:33 GMT -6
2 reasons 1) teenagers love banned and perceived dangerous things 2) Many kids play youth football and don’t like it because of the coach or their bodies really weren’t ready for collision sports at that time. If those same kids were to wait a few years and then give football a chance, they might enjoy it and then play in high school. They didn't have youth football when I was a kid and I couldn't wait to play HS ball.
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Post by blb on Jan 12, 2024 16:04:01 GMT -6
2 reasons 1) teenagers love banned and perceived dangerous things 2) Many kids play youth football and don’t like it because of the coach or their bodies really weren’t ready for collision sports at that time. If those same kids were to wait a few years and then give football a chance, they might enjoy it and then play in high school. They didn't have youth football when I was a kid and I couldn't wait to play HS ball. Same except we started in 8th Grade (Junior High at that time).
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2024 16:34:01 GMT -6
We only had 2 hand touch in Jr high and I quit after a couple games as an OL. I wasn't going to play in HS because of how miserable my experience in JFL was. I was basically kidnapped by the freshman coach the last week of Jr High and "forced" to play.
As a coach and especially a HC, I had 2xs more All Conference/All State players come from kids who never played football before HS or quit in JFL than I ever did from kids who played JFL. In fact, JFL "all stars" rarely even played 4 years let alone were any good.
The expansion of youth sports has done more damage to HS football and other sports than can ever be imagined.
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Post by olliebaba14 on Jan 13, 2024 2:26:45 GMT -6
There is zero chance of HS FB being banned in my lifetime
I’m completely in favor of this bill. I think it could be the best thing for FB in a long time
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Post by olliebaba14 on Jan 13, 2024 2:28:03 GMT -6
I’d do tacklebar until 6th grade then give them 3 years of FC football in a grade by grade league
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 13, 2024 7:45:52 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm not that worried about this one. I've been pretty vocal that I don't think tackle is necessary until Jr High, this more or less does that.
A lot of the youth football players that we see do become pretty good high school players, but we also see just as many youth players that peak earlier and get caught up by late developers.
I'd love to see some kind of progression that starts with flag, goes on to rugby, then finally tackle around jr high.
I just don't see why it's necessary to have little bobbleheads running around hitting each other poorly.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 13, 2024 7:50:55 GMT -6
I’d do tacklebar until 6th grade then give them 3 years of FC football in a grade by grade league What are tacklebar and FC? I'll be 70 in March. Adult-organized football (tackle or otherwise) below high school was much less common for my generation, but the same was true of soccer, lacrosse, and hockey; baseball was the only adult-organized team sport for most children in the USA. I don't think children play such games any more than we did, only that we didn't usually have adult supervision or equipment. I think the boom is mostly because as humanity gets richer we can afford more. At least in my experience, children's football and to a large extent other sports is a distinct crowd, a different phenomenon from interscholastic competition. Many play as children and not teens, and others as teens and not children. I don't think we should look for a continuity between these activities over a lifetime. I don't think either much helps or hurts the other, with a few local exceptions. We see for instance a huge disconnect between organized soccer for those under 10 YO and those older; I think some people were hoping children's soccer in North America would feed the game at higher levels, but at least a couple generations have shown it doesn't. For an even starker example, see speedball, a century-old type of football home-grown in North America that's managed to stay popular as a summer camp and intramurals activity (even on college campuses) for pickup play but never grows into established clubs or teams. I'm interested in experience from parts of the world where American football has been growing. Is there more of a connection there between the children's game and that of adolescents or adults?
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 13, 2024 7:53:17 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm not that worried about this one. I've been pretty vocal that I don't think tackle is necessary until Jr High, this more or less does that. A lot of the youth football players that we see do become pretty good high school players, but we also see just as many youth players that peak earlier and get caught up by late developers. I'd love to see some kind of progression that starts with flag, goes on to rugby, then finally tackle around jr high. I just don't see why it's necessary to have little bobbleheads running around hitting each other poorly. None of it is necessary. High school football certainly isn't. No football is. But why look at it as a matter of necessity? Necessity for what? What justification do we need, other than that some people of any age like playing it, and that some people like watching others play?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 13, 2024 8:30:41 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm not that worried about this one. I've been pretty vocal that I don't think tackle is necessary until Jr High, this more or less does that. A lot of the youth football players that we see do become pretty good high school players, but we also see just as many youth players that peak earlier and get caught up by late developers. I'd love to see some kind of progression that starts with flag, goes on to rugby, then finally tackle around jr high. I just don't see why it's necessary to have little bobbleheads running around hitting each other poorly. None of it is necessary. High school football certainly isn't. No football is. But why look at it as a matter of necessity? Necessity for what? What justification do we need, other than that some people of any age like playing it, and that some people like watching others play? I don’t think I have ever agreed with Bob as much as I have in this thread. The opinions of HS coaches thinking/feeling that sports for 5-13 year olds should all be in service to HS athletics has always been a pet peeve of mine. That “HS matters” but other levels really don’t has always been so surprising to me.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 13, 2024 17:18:21 GMT -6
There is zero chance of HS FB being banned in my lifetime I’m completely in favor of this bill. I think it could be the best thing for FB in a long time I hope you're older because there's a million things that are legislated now that if you'd have told anyone it would be a law 20 years ago they'd have laughed you out of the room.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 13, 2024 19:05:17 GMT -6
There is zero chance of HS FB being banned in my lifetime I’m completely in favor of this bill. I think it could be the best thing for FB in a long time I hope you're older because there's a million things that are legislated now that if you'd have told anyone it would be a law 20 years ago they'd have laughed you out of the room. Agreed. There is currently legislation in Florida that has school systems pulling dictionaries and encyclopedias from the shelves to review them to make sure that they comply with new laws. We also currently have laws (Title IX for one) where many interpret the statues as requiring that schools must treat students based on their gender identity even if their registration or identification documentation indicates a different sex. Regardless of ones thoughts on brain trauma, concussions, sub concussive cumulative affects etc., the fact that the two statement above can be made shows that there is definitely a non zero chance of HS FB being banned within the next 20-30 years.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jan 13, 2024 19:25:52 GMT -6
Looks like football under 12 is on the way to being banned in CALI Interesting I don't find it interesting...it's expected honestly. I'm in Michigan. The park I play rec soccer at has a youth football league that practices on the fields next to us. My observations reinforce my belief that this is the way to go. 1. A good number of the kids clearly don't want to be there; they're being made to play by their parents. 2. Each team revolves around one player despite all the playing time rules. 3. The vast majority of these coaches are absolutely clueless and just screaming and making them run and do down-ups...punishing them for really just being the young kids they are. 4. It appears to be far more about the coaches and parents than it is the kids. 5. The helicopter parent/fighting trope of youth football is reinforced from what I see quite well. I just look at it all, and collectively, I can't believe this league is doing more good than harm. In the time I've spent observing their practices, there has been one coach that I think genuinely knew what he was doing and how to coach those kids (seemed to care about actually coaching technique, wasn't trying to "Air Raid" and show off his X's and O's, etc)...but he had a horrible temper problem with other coaches and parents.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 13, 2024 19:27:54 GMT -6
4. It appears to be far more about the coaches and parents than it is the kids. 5. The helicopter parent/fighting trope of youth football is reinforced from what I see quite well. I just look at it all, and collectively, I can't believe this league is doing more good than harm. I think these two points likely apply to ANY youth sport, and many organized youth activities.
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