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Post by 3rdandlong on Dec 14, 2023 12:25:08 GMT -6
In my experience, the Best freshmen coaches for a program are Guys who played for you.
They know what you want to run, they know what's going to be expected from the young kids when they get older and you trust/love them enough to allow them to have some fun with it too.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 14, 2023 17:46:36 GMT -6
Was a freshman coach in a program where the fresh team and the varsity ran Double Wing with at least 1 WR most of the time. Fresh played Thurs and varsity Fri. The next Monday our JV comes out in triple I double tight. I was sitting in the booth next to the camera and pretty loudly said "What the hell is this?" I meant it as, what the hell are they running? Apparently during film the JV coaches turned the sound up and made fun of me as if I wasn't smart enough to figure out their mastermind scheme. The JV coach eventually got fired/resigned before the season was over. He applied for the HC job that winter when I ended up getting it. Needless to say, I had a lot of problems with those JV kids in my 1 year as a HC there. That coach continued to hang around the program while his kids were in school and cause problems until even his wife had enough of him and divorced him. Guy used to have kids over to his house to show them highlight films of him playing in HS and college. He was that guy. And then he became famous as 3 year letterman I bet he threw some devastating downfield blocks. |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 14, 2023 19:07:22 GMT -6
Was a freshman coach in a program where the fresh team and the varsity ran Double Wing with at least 1 WR most of the time. Fresh played Thurs and varsity Fri. The next Monday our JV comes out in triple I double tight. I was sitting in the booth next to the camera and pretty loudly said "What the hell is this?" I meant it as, what the hell are they running? Apparently during film the JV coaches turned the sound up and made fun of me as if I wasn't smart enough to figure out their mastermind scheme. The JV coach eventually got fired/resigned before the season was over. He applied for the HC job that winter when I ended up getting it. Needless to say, I had a lot of problems with those JV kids in my 1 year as a HC there. That coach continued to hang around the program while his kids were in school and cause problems until even his wife had enough of him and divorced him. Guy used to have kids over to his house to show them highlight films of him playing in HS and college. He was that guy. And then he became famous as 3 year letterman I can assure you, that man didn't have a funny bone in his considerably large body. One year we made the playoffs and our HCgot the staff Tshirts. He immediately let us all know his wife was going to have to sew the sleeves up because they were just "too tight". And they were. Not in a Hulkster python way, but more like Bertha's busted biscuits coming out her legging top. |
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Post by kcbazooka on Dec 15, 2023 11:46:10 GMT -6
When I was a youth - three years out of college - I applied for two head coaching jobs. At one of the interviews I talked to the junior high coach who was much more experienced than I was. He asked what I was planning to run on offense and defense. He then explained what he was going to run on the junior high level regardless of what I was going to do at the varsity. He had much more pull than I was going to have as the head coach.
I was offered both jobs and wisely took the other position. It worked out OK - 47 years in the business.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 15, 2023 13:49:04 GMT -6
We do a big box offense with common terminology.
Meaning the run game is huge: 45 distinct plays 60 if we add tags.
Every level from 3rd grade to varsity gets the play book.
The 3-6 coaches realize real fast that they will choose 4-5 plays and be good to go
Middle School adds a few pass concepts
9th grade opens things up to what the coaches feel the player strengths will be
JV is on same install schedule as Varsity
Varsity install is base run/ quick until game weeks.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 15, 2023 14:07:31 GMT -6
We do a big box offense with common terminology. Meaning the run game is huge: 45 distinct plays 60 if we add tags. Every level from 3rd grade to varsity gets the play book. The 3-6 coaches realize real fast that they will choose 4-5 plays and be good to go Middle School adds a few pass concepts 9th grade opens things up to what the coaches feel the player strengths will be JV is on same install schedule as Varsity Varsity install is base run/ quick until game weeks. 45 distinct run plays!!!!! I can't name 45 distinct run plays. |
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Post by blb on Dec 15, 2023 14:34:25 GMT -6
45 distinct run plays!!!!! I can't name 45 distinct run plays. At one of my HC stops I took over from a guy who, if you mirrored his plays, had 59 runs (QB gave me the playbook). Averaged eight points per game, went 1-17. Of course they were bad on defense too. Maybe because they had so many plays to practice? My first two years we went 15-3 and averaged 26 ppg running base Veer offense (like six run plays). |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 15, 2023 16:37:42 GMT -6
If you count mirrored plays, I probably ran around 30.
Wedge
Trap
Belly
Belly lead
Iso
Pitch
Double lead
Rocket
Wham
Counter trey
Jet
Wrap
QB Iso
QB Trap
Stretch
There were a couple more over time.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 15, 2023 18:50:02 GMT -6
If you count mirrored plays, I probably ran around 30. Wedge Trap Belly Belly lead Iso Pitch Double lead Rocket Wham Counter trey Jet Wrap QB Iso QB Trap Stretch There were a couple more over time. I would count that as 15. And would also assume Iso and QB iso and Trap and QB trap are similar for the line. |
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Post by carookie on Dec 15, 2023 19:31:56 GMT -6
Maybe I am wrong, but it feels as if there are two different discussions going on here.
Are people writing about sub varsity high school teams within a HS program going rogue? That would be asinine, especially since those players are an injury or a suspension away from playing on Friday night.
OR are they writing about youth/pop warner/JH feeder programs going rogue? Which to me is not an issue.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 16, 2023 4:16:38 GMT -6
Maybe I am wrong, but it feels as if there are two different discussions going on here. Are people writing about sub varsity high school teams within a HS program going rogue? That would be asinine, especially since those players are an injury or a suspension away from playing on Friday night. OR are they writing about youth/pop warner/JH feeder programs going rogue? Which to me is not an issue. In some places varsity and JV are the extent of the 'program'. In some it is V/JV and middle school. In some it is V/JV/MS and youth league. My previous stop it was like this Youth flag 1st & 2nd grade Youth tackle 3rd & 4th, 5th & 6th MS 7th MS 8th HS 9th HS Varsity and JV The HC established all the programs offense and defense, drills. tackling, etc... for all of it. The whole community was bought bottom to top to be Team Mascot. |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 16, 2023 5:00:01 GMT -6
If you count mirrored plays, I probably ran around 30. Wedge Trap Belly Belly lead Iso Pitch Double lead Rocket Wham Counter trey Jet Wrap QB Iso QB Trap Stretch There were a couple more over time. I would count that as 15. And would also assume Iso and QB iso and Trap and QB trap are similar for the line. I would count it as that too, but mirroring was mentioned as being separate plays. And they're all pretty similar for the line. There's really only like 3 schemes and each play has like 1 player being deviated. |
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Post by blb on Dec 16, 2023 5:54:07 GMT -6
If you count mirrored plays, I probably ran around 30. Wedge Trap Belly Belly lead Iso Pitch Double lead Rocket Wham Counter trey Jet Wrap QB Iso QB Trap Stretch There were a couple more over time. I would count that as 15. It's only 15 if you're just going to run them in one direction. Otherwise they're two plays each to practice (right and left). So, 30. |
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Post by carookie on Dec 16, 2023 13:34:24 GMT -6
Maybe I am wrong, but it feels as if there are two different discussions going on here. Are people writing about sub varsity high school teams within a HS program going rogue? That would be asinine, especially since those players are an injury or a suspension away from playing on Friday night. OR are they writing about youth/pop warner/JH feeder programs going rogue? Which to me is not an issue. In some places varsity and JV are the extent of the 'program'. In some it is V/JV and middle school. In some it is V/JV/MS and youth league. My previous stop it was like this Youth flag 1st & 2nd grade Youth tackle 3rd & 4th, 5th & 6th MS 7th MS 8th HS 9th HS Varsity and JV The HC established all the programs offense and defense, drills. tackling, etc... for all of it. The whole community was bought bottom to top to be Team Mascot. I get that, but my point was that having a subvarsity HS team not mirror the varsity is specifically stupid, because those players are just a play or two away from suiting up for the varsity. I don't think the elementary players are. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 16, 2023 14:51:19 GMT -6
In some places varsity and JV are the extent of the 'program'. In some it is V/JV and middle school. In some it is V/JV/MS and youth league. My previous stop it was like this Youth flag 1st & 2nd grade Youth tackle 3rd & 4th, 5th & 6th MS 7th MS 8th HS 9th HS Varsity and JV The HC established all the programs offense and defense, drills. tackling, etc... for all of it. The whole community was bought bottom to top to be Team Mascot. I get that, but my point was that having a subvarsity HS team not mirror the varsity is specifically stupid, because those players are just a play or two away from suiting up for the varsity. I don't think the elementary players are. Soooooo...... your point was my point.... |
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Post by carookie on Dec 16, 2023 18:38:50 GMT -6
I get that, but my point was that having a subvarsity HS team not mirror the varsity is specifically stupid, because those players are just a play or two away from suiting up for the varsity. I don't think the elementary players are. Soooooo...... your point was my point.... My point was Subvarsity High School teams need to be on the same page as the varsity, especially with the possibility of being called up (I could really care less about schematics of teams outside the HS). Don't know if that was your point too, yours seemed to be more that some communities aligned throughout all ages. |
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Post by 44special on Dec 17, 2023 18:33:59 GMT -6
I told our Sub-Varsity coaches these are the plays and formations you are to run. Vertical Continuity in teaching OUR system was vital to Program Development. Like Defcord if they wanted to add a Gadget (HB Pass for ex.) I didn't have a problem with that. If a Sub-Varsity coach was running something other than what they were told to that would amount to Insubordination and grounds for termination. this |
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Post by coachtua on Dec 17, 2023 18:46:59 GMT -6
Maybe I am wrong, but it feels as if there are two different discussions going on here. Are people writing about sub varsity high school teams within a HS program going rogue? That would be asinine, especially since those players are an injury or a suspension away from playing on Friday night. OR are they writing about youth/pop warner/JH feeder programs going rogue? Which to me is not an issue. In some places varsity and JV are the extent of the 'program'. In some it is V/JV and middle school. In some it is V/JV/MS and youth league. My previous stop it was like this Youth flag 1st & 2nd grade Youth tackle 3rd & 4th, 5th & 6th MS 7th MS 8th HS 9th HS Varsity and JV The HC established all the programs offense and defense, drills. tackling, etc... for all of it. The whole community was bought bottom to top to be Team Mascot. There was a local team a number of years back that they ran the Wing-T from Pop Warner up. The Freshman and JV teams were always tough offensively because they had sometimes 5-6 years running the offense. It helped that they were the only HS in their district. |
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 17, 2023 22:41:58 GMT -6
I told our Sub-Varsity coaches these are the plays and formations you are to run. Vertical Continuity in teaching OUR system was vital to Program Development. Like Defcord if they wanted to add a Gadget (HB Pass for ex.) I didn't have a problem with that. If a Sub-Varsity coach was running something other than what they were told to that would amount to Insubordination and grounds for termination. This has been my life as a JV HC the last 8 years. Vertical continuity from Frosh-JV-Var is critical, especially if you're at a place like us where most of your freshmen have never played tackle football before. If I had gone too far off the reservation, our HC would relieved me of my duties eventually, no doubt about it. And I'd have deserved it, imo. |
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Post by olcoach53 on Dec 18, 2023 7:29:44 GMT -6
As long as terminology is the same I give them some wiggle room to run their plays on offense and defense. The only the I ask is that they don't show anything new that we have put in for that week (We play our lower level games on Thursdays) but other than that they have full autonomy
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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 18, 2023 7:52:48 GMT -6
We do a big box offense with common terminology. Meaning the run game is huge: 45 distinct plays 60 if we add tags. Every level from 3rd grade to varsity gets the play book. The 3-6 coaches realize real fast that they will choose 4-5 plays and be good to go Middle School adds a few pass concepts 9th grade opens things up to what the coaches feel the player strengths will be JV is on same install schedule as Varsity Varsity install is base run/ quick until game weeks. 45 distinct run plays!!!!! I can't name 45 distinct run plays. According to one mom we only ran one play… because we gave it to the fast kid. for the record at HS level we had 8 run plays. |
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