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Post by Defcord on Nov 29, 2023 12:56:58 GMT -6
When you are a head coach or coordinator and you hear a position coach, coaching something incorrectly, how do you address the situation?
Do you rip his asss?
Do you correct him on the field politely/respectfully?
Do you wait until you get back in the office and correct him so that he can correct it with the kids?
Do you do something else?
Does it matter if it is something that is new versus something you have explained to him before?
Any thoughts on this situation?
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Post by 3rdandlong on Nov 29, 2023 13:01:15 GMT -6
If it is cumbersome to the play and teaching to the kid and is very important that it gets corrected, you correct it right then and there. And often times, I've just correct the coaches mistake to the kid in front of the coach and then the coach then understands it himself.
If it's early in the off-season, you talk about it with the coach after practice and make sure he understands the why to it.
As far as chewing him out, I think it can be effective IF he understands the why behind it. I've had coaches who I told "hey man I'm gonna chew you out at practice when these guys make mistakes and the reason is because they want to please you. Let me be the bad guy."
Chewing out coaches in front of kids for the sake of chewing them out is bad IMO and the above scenario is the only time I do it.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2023 13:10:44 GMT -6
If it was a really bad thing he said as in real bad technique, I'd usually wander over and say something like "Coach, have you ever thought of doing it this way?" and then show/demonstrate the technique you want taught. That way, you're not making him out to be an ass to the kids, but you get your point across that, no, we're not doing it that way.
If it was a minor thing, I usually just pulled him aside during a water break and talked to him about what I actually wanted to see.
The only time I really lit into a coach on the field was I had an assistant I put in charge of FG/PAT just to give him something to do and I knew we wouldn't do a lot with it other than PAT. In fact, I kind of just let him do whatever he wanted and I took care of other things while they practiced it. Anyway, the night before our soap game we're running through our stuff and it's time for FG/PAT. This man had 3 different formations in and like 5 fakes. It irritated me and I let him know it. We weren't going to need trickery that year to score points (This was the year we had a 2,000 yd and 1,000 rushers returning to our backfield). He did a lot of that kind of stuff and it drove me nuts.
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Post by blb on Nov 29, 2023 13:40:28 GMT -6
You should always hash out differences in the meeting room.
However, if you have "coached your coach" on what you want done and he's not doing it, you may have to correct him on the spot - professionally of course.
What you don't want to happen is you haven't instructed the coach on what you want and he says something like "Sorry, I failed that mind-reading class" (he didn't know).
That would be a failure on your part.
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Post by raider92 on Nov 29, 2023 14:29:06 GMT -6
I fix everything on the field. Always. Theres a lot of educational research out there about how many good reps it takes to unlearn something when you learn it wrong. Its a lot.
That's also why we dont go 100mph in team time. We take our time and fix it. Once we know our jobs and can execute we will go faster and can correct things in the film room.
If a coach messes it up imo you have to fix it. 90% of the time it's your fault as HC if he is teaching it wrong in which case I typically apologize to the coach, and then explain how I want it. This gives the coach an out so he doesnt look bad in front of the kids, solidifies that you're in charge and make the decision, and shows a lot of humility.
If the coach KNOWS how it's supposed to be taught and chooses not to teach it right then hes not going to be coaching past that practice unless he changes his tune.
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Post by CS on Nov 29, 2023 14:35:19 GMT -6
I put together all the drills and have video to go with it as well as explanations. I usually correct the player not the coach. So I’m coaching both at the same time.
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Post by agap on Nov 29, 2023 15:11:59 GMT -6
I would correct it right away when I was DC. I rarely chewed out the coach because 99% of the time he wasn't doing it on purpose. He thought he was telling the player the correct thing.
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Post by bignose on Nov 29, 2023 19:19:48 GMT -6
My last couple of years coaching, on the JV level, my partner in crime was a very experienced, and very successful coach who had been away from actively coaching for several years, returning to coach his grandson.
Occasionally, he would revert to teaching a technique or use terminology that we hadn't used in 15 years.
Several times, I'd have to quietly pull him aside and say: "Joe, you can't do that anymore, they've changed the rules on that."
Example: he wanted to line up for an onside kick with 7 men shifting to one side of the ball. The last time he coached, this was legal.
Crack blocking, same sort of thing. " You can't blast in and earhole the DE. You've got to pull up and make contact with open palms......"
Or he say: "We've gotta run 45 Counter." Except that we didn't have 45 Counter in the offense, we had 47 Counter.
All done with the greatest of respect, of course.
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Post by coachtua on Nov 29, 2023 22:18:11 GMT -6
NEVER IN FRONT OF THE KIDS.
When I was the OC I would correct the kids right then. If they responded with that's what coach told me I would respond run it back but I want to see something real quick and tell them to run it the way I wanted. Then I would let them know we would discuss in our after practice meeting and let them know the next practice.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 30, 2023 7:47:49 GMT -6
Correct the coach w/o being a d!ck.
If you've got any kind of trust/rapport, it's not a big deal. It's as simple as "Coach, we want him to fill that gap when he sees that block" and you move on.
If it's a philosophical difference or they didn't know better, you need to work that out another time, ideally before the season/spring ball/whatever. If that couldn't happen for some reason, well, just let them know you'll steer them in the right direction when you see something that's incorrect and it's always done with good intentions. And don't be a d!ck.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 30, 2023 13:40:39 GMT -6
Depends. Ninety-nine percent of the time I would go to the position coach, tell him, let him tell the players. I can escalate from there.
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Post by powercounterandjet on Nov 30, 2023 14:26:29 GMT -6
As a position coach I always liked when the coordinator talked to me first even if it was on the practice field and even if it wasnt as cordial as a cup of coffee. I just preferred being able to teach it my way to use my exact words etc. of course there were times the coordinator said some things directly to them especially me being OL but I was often trailing behind saying the same, they were just immediate things.
I’m going to be an OC tor the first time and was wondering this same thing. My plan is going to be to ask my assistants would they prefer me getting the kid and they come behind or would they prefer me to get them and they fix it. For me it was always more embarrassing for the coordinator to correft my guys in practice because it feels like it undermines the trust your players have in what you’re doing with them but I also understand how tor some guys itd be worse to get coached by the coordinator during practice so I’m going to leave it up to them for the most part.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 1, 2023 9:16:06 GMT -6
I understand that some situations come up that aren't foreseen, but if the AC and coordinator or HC is serious and approaches pre season and pre practice meetings the correct way, most of this should not happen. I agree never in front of the kids. Also like what someone said about about approaching it like lets try it this way and then handle after practice.
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Post by chadavan on Dec 4, 2023 9:43:28 GMT -6
Kill 'em with kindness. But sometimes they also need a kick in the ass. It's knowing which one you need at the time.
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Post by fantom on Dec 4, 2023 12:07:07 GMT -6
As a career assistant here's what I think: Practice time is precious and there's no time to waste letting a mistake go on until the HC has a chance to talk with the AC in private. The HC shouldn't yell and scream, just make the simple correction. I've had it happen to me many times and when it was done that way I never took offense.
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