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Post by bulldogsdc on Nov 29, 2023 7:31:54 GMT -6
Kicking game is really 1/5 of plays.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 29, 2023 7:32:15 GMT -6
I'd 1000% rather visit a good HS staff than go to a Glazier. Visited a Slot-T team in April, absolutely awesome.
I've heard nothing but good stuff regarding Harding University's clinic if you're a Wings N Things type offense.
Bama's spring clinic is neat but the S&C staff was by far the most actionable info I got from it.
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Post by blb on Nov 29, 2023 11:05:33 GMT -6
Kicking game is really 1/5 of plays. Probably true, but it is one of the three phases of the game. But in the kicking game points are scored (or lost) and there is much more yardage to be gained on a single play. A big play (or a disastrous one) on KG can mean the difference between winning or losing regardless of one's great offensive and defensive Xs and Os. |
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Post by blb on Nov 29, 2023 11:10:00 GMT -6
There are ways to get around not having a kicker or snapper though. There is no way to get around not having a competent QB. That is true. However in my philosophy, I wanted TDs to always count seven. I wanted to be able to get three if we couldn't get seven, especially on last play of half -game or in OT. I wanted the other team to gain possession after a KO with more than 70 yards to go to score (their returner and our coverage being the variable of course). And Punt was the only play in my playbook guaranteed, if we coached it well enough, to gain 30 yards or more almost every time. I liked playing with the ball on a short field. And kicking game (including returns) was the way to get that. If we could get possession on opponents' side of the 50 we were much more likely to score. Not to mention the effect blocked kicks can have on the outcome of games. I never figured out a way to block KOs, however. |
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Post by veerman on Nov 29, 2023 11:34:38 GMT -6
The major clinics are all pretty much the same. Glazier, Nike COY, etc. I don't feel like one is better than the other and most of it is just going to get the staff together and have a little fun plus hear some guys talk about stuff that may or may not apply to you. A guy I worked with before would always set us up to go visit other staffs at schools similar size and demographics to us that had either turned it around or was a traditional winner. It was pretty cool because they would give us the grand tour. Let us see their facilities/weightroom. Give us insight to how the practiced and managed their roster. Sometimes we could talk to their admin about what they thought was important to them from the football program and how they supported it and kept the program strong. Sometimes after the school day was over we would have a few drinks and BS as well. It's a good way to do learn specific to your situation. The biggest difference between Glazier and Nike COY is one price gets you into All the Glazier plus the videos. Nike COY is about the same cost to just go to 1 of their clinics, But you are correct on the type of clinic when it comes to topics and speakers. I like visiting schools that are similar to your team as well, and also visit colleges that Don't have the resources that others do, and what they do to adapt . |
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Post by bluboy on Nov 29, 2023 12:01:01 GMT -6
"... visit colleges that Don't have the resources that others do, and what they do to adapt ." Totally agree. We spend a lot of time visiting DIII schools because they are similar to us in that they play with Ralphs, not the Thor's one sees on TV.
Two pieces of advice on college visits:
1) If your staff visits a college make sure you know someone on the staff or have a former player playing there. If not, you might simply get put into a room width some
video to watch and no one to answer questions. This is what happened to me early in my career before I figured it out.
2) Make sure you have some specific questions or areas you want covered. Don't go in cold and expect to learn everything about the XXX Defense, or you'll come away with very little.
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Post by blb on Nov 29, 2023 12:07:26 GMT -6
One year when I was young took my wife to Nike Clinic because it was close and in a fine hotel with stores.
She could shop or otherwise entertain herself while I was in sessions, then we could have a nice dinner-evening together.
Nine months later I became a father.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 29, 2023 12:17:52 GMT -6
Kicking game is really 1/5 of plays. Probably true, but it is one of the three phases of the game. But in the kicking game points are scored (or lost) and there is much more yardage to be gained on a single play. A big play (or a disastrous one) on KG can mean the difference between winning or losing regardless of one's great offensive and defensive Xs and Os. Oh buddy, as a HC (4 years) I had a significant kicking situation win or lose a game I think it was 11x in ~40 games. 2012 iced a game on a 40+ yard FG for a 9 point lead with a couple min to go. 2013 kicker was out- had to go for it on 3-4 close FG/4th downs, lost by 5. 2014 KR for a TD and won 12-7. 2015 game winning 40y field goal for biggest upset in school history (28 point dawgs to a team 300 spots ahead of us in rankings) |
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Post by blb on Nov 29, 2023 12:42:54 GMT -6
Oh buddy, as a HC (4 years) I had a significant kicking situation win or lose a game I think it was 11x in ~40 games. 2012 iced a game on a 40+ yard FG for a 9 point lead with a couple min to go. 2013 kicker was out- had to go for it on 3-4 close FG/4th downs, lost by 5. 2014 KR for a TD and won 12-7. 2015 game winning 40y field goal for biggest upset in school history (28 point dawgs to a team 300 spots ahead of us in rankings) In my first year at last HC job we kicked a late FG to defeat an "arch-rival" our school had not beaten in 22 years. We don't win that game we don't make playoffs. |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2023 12:53:44 GMT -6
There are ways to get around not having a kicker or snapper though. There is no way to get around not having a competent QB. That is true. However in my philosophy, I wanted TDs to always count seven. I wanted to be able to get three if we couldn't get seven, especially on last play of half -game or in OT. I wanted the other team to gain possession after a KO with more than 70 yards to go to score (their returner and our coverage being the variable of course). And Punt was the only play in my playbook guaranteed, if we coached it well enough, to gain 30 yards or more almost every time. I liked playing with the ball on a short field. And kicking game (including returns) was the way to get that. If we could get possession on opponents' side of the 50 we were much more likely to score. Not to mention the effect blocked kicks can have on the outcome of games. I never figured out a way to block KOs, however. I always figured if I could go 50% from 3 yds away for a 2pt conversion, it was as good as kicking. I think I attempted 1 FG in 9 years of being a HC. And it was with my RT in a blowout loss. Squibs will usually give the ball to the opponents around the 35 because unless it's the deep guy, almost every other KOR player just falls on it. I hated punting. If I could, I'd never punt. In 12 games in 2013 we punted 7 times. 4 or 5 were when we were up by 40+. And our punter avg 50+ that year. |
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Post by blb on Nov 29, 2023 13:17:08 GMT -6
I always figured if I could go 50% from 3 yds away for a 2pt conversion, it was as good as kicking. I think I attempted 1 FG in 9 years of being a HC. And it was with my RT in a blowout loss. Squibs will usually give the ball to the opponents around the 35 because unless it's the deep guy, almost every other KOR player just falls on it. I hated punting. If I could, I'd never punt. In 12 games in 2013 we punted 7 times. 4 or 5 were when we were up by 40+. And our punter avg 50+ that year. Whatever works for you. Or "Different strokes for different folks." Dan Campbell (Lions' coach) may have learned on Thanksgiving Day that kicking the ball on 4th Down is not an admission of failure or a stain on his manhood. |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2023 13:19:08 GMT -6
I always figured if I could go 50% from 3 yds away for a 2pt conversion, it was as good as kicking. I think I attempted 1 FG in 9 years of being a HC. And it was with my RT in a blowout loss. Squibs will usually give the ball to the opponents around the 35 because unless it's the deep guy, almost every other KOR player just falls on it. I hated punting. If I could, I'd never punt. In 12 games in 2013 we punted 7 times. 4 or 5 were when we were up by 40+. And our punter avg 50+ that year. Whatever works for you. Or "Different strokes for different folks." Dan Campbell (Lions' coach) may have learned on Thanksgiving Day that kicking the ball on 4th Down is not an admission of failure or a stain on his manhood. Agreed. I wasn't trying to be argumentative, just explaining my thought process. I'm also the guy that ran wedge on 4th and 5 from around my own 20, so maybe I'm not the guy to take advice from. It did go for an 80yd TD though.  |
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Post by blb on Nov 29, 2023 14:07:21 GMT -6
Agreed. I wasn't trying to be argumentative, just explaining my thought process. I'm also the guy that ran wedge on 4th and 5 from around my own 20, so maybe I'm not the guy to take advice from. It did go for an 80yd TD though. My longest (QB Sneak) Wedge play for a TD was around 53 yards as I recall. It is interesting how often the simplest plays are the best. |
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Post by cwaltsmith on Nov 30, 2023 9:11:44 GMT -6
I'd 1000% rather visit a good HS staff than go to a Glazier. Visited a Slot-T team in April, absolutely awesome. I've heard nothing but good stuff regarding Harding University's clinic if you're a Wings N Things type offense. Bama's spring clinic is neat but the S&C staff was by far the most actionable info I got from it. I like this at well. I usually end up sitting in a room with a staff at the glazier clinic and discussing stuff. The fact that I can go to multiple places for 1 price and the drive is why I think its best. But do agree sitting down with other coaches is where its at. |
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Post by redandwhite on Dec 1, 2023 9:38:00 GMT -6
playbookclinics.com/PLAYBOOK CLINICS: NEW CLINICS FOR A NEW ERA OF FOOTBALL COACHING CLINICS TO SUPPORT PEOPLE, COMMUNITY AND THE GAME UPCOMING CLINIC DATES: Orlando January 19-21, 2024 Orange County January 26-28, 2024 Pittsburgh January 26-28, 2024 Seattle January 26-28, 2024 Bay Area February 2-3, 2024 Chicago February 2-4, 2024 Kansas City February 2-4, 2024 Atlanta February 9-11, 2024 Portland February 9-11, 2024 Charlotte February 23-25, 2024 Indianapolis February 23-25, 2024 Minneapolis March 1-3, 2024 Denver March 8-10, 2024 Madison March 15-17, 2024 Phoenix March 22-24, 2024
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 1, 2023 11:13:49 GMT -6
playbookclinics.com/PLAYBOOK CLINICS: NEW CLINICS FOR A NEW ERA OF FOOTBALL COACHING CLINICS TO SUPPORT PEOPLE, COMMUNITY AND THE GAME UPCOMING CLINIC DATES: Orlando January 19-21, 2024 Orange County January 26-28, 2024 Pittsburgh January 26-28, 2024 Seattle January 26-28, 2024 Bay Area February 2-3, 2024 Chicago February 2-4, 2024 Kansas City February 2-4, 2024 Atlanta February 9-11, 2024 Portland February 9-11, 2024 Charlotte February 23-25, 2024 Indianapolis February 23-25, 2024 Minneapolis March 1-3, 2024 Denver March 8-10, 2024 Madison March 15-17, 2024 Phoenix March 22-24, 2024 That looks interesting, but how do they know the topics before they have the speakers? That seems a little weird. |
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Post by redandwhite on Dec 2, 2023 8:38:08 GMT -6
I was on the convening panel for Minneapolis. First we brainstormed topics and then Playbook put together the Topical Agenda. The next step was to ask any of us if we would like to present, and to ask us for recommendations of potential speakers to cover topics. The idea is to ensure that there are a wide variety of topics that coaches on the convening panel feel are important, then find coaches who will be willing to cover those topics. In some cases the final presentation may differ slightly from the topical agenda. I'm really looking forward to the sessions with coaches using film to talk about their thought process during a drive - should be really interesting!
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