donk3y
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Post by donk3y on Nov 16, 2023 9:06:29 GMT -6
One of the discussions we are having as we enter off-season is taking some time and teaching kids the actual game of football. Our plan thus far is: General (field dimensions, clock, penalties, scoring etc.) Offense (general theory, alignments, passing attacks, run schemes etc.) Defense (general theory, alignments, fits, coverage etc.) Special Teams (general theory, phases etc.)
Then graduate to what we do in particular (our schemes) and then to a positional focus.
Anyone else done something similar? How were the results?
Am I missing anything?
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Post by veerwego on Nov 16, 2023 9:12:26 GMT -6
I think there have been several threads like this in the past, some folks definitely do it. After my first year coaching middle school, most of them do not know anything. My other son played rec this year and the coaches and refs did not know basic rules like you have to have 7 men on the line. It is a good idea if you can find the time, make it quick and fun, and get good participation, maybe reward them.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 16, 2023 10:14:37 GMT -6
One of the discussions we are having as we enter off-season is taking some time and teaching kids the actual game of football. Our plan thus far is: General (field dimensions, clock, penalties, scoring etc.) Offense (general theory, alignments, passing attacks, run schemes etc.) Defense (general theory, alignments, fits, coverage etc.) Special Teams (general theory, phases etc.) Then graduate to what we do in particular (our schemes) and then to a positional focus. Anyone else done something similar? How were the results? Am I missing anything? Missing anything? The fact that it is the offseason/basketball/soccer (in some places)/other season? I think it’s a solid idea and your content and curriculum look on point I just worry that such endeavors hurt you in October 2024.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Nov 16, 2023 10:54:08 GMT -6
We do some of this kind of stuff in the summer and early fall. Not "general offense" or "general defense" necessarily but think like field dimensions (especially for DBs), rules, situational stuff, etc.
But it happens when we have "regularly scheduled" football stuff going on, not in the winter season.
"Regularly scheduled" varies widely from place to place so I'm positive our calendars are all very different.
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Post by chadavan on Nov 16, 2023 10:55:56 GMT -6
One of the discussions we are having as we enter off-season is taking some time and teaching kids the actual game of football. Our plan thus far is: General (field dimensions, clock, penalties, scoring etc.) Offense (general theory, alignments, passing attacks, run schemes etc.) Defense (general theory, alignments, fits, coverage etc.) Special Teams (general theory, phases etc.) Then graduate to what we do in particular (our schemes) and then to a positional focus. Anyone else done something similar? How were the results? Am I missing anything? I'd be willing to put this on a website and make it available if you think it would help.
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Post by chi5hi on Nov 16, 2023 12:08:41 GMT -6
One of the discussions we are having as we enter off-season is taking some time and teaching kids the actual game of football. Our plan thus far is: General (field dimensions, clock, penalties, scoring etc.) Offense (general theory, alignments, passing attacks, run schemes etc.) Defense (general theory, alignments, fits, coverage etc.) Special Teams (general theory, phases etc.) Then graduate to what we do in particular (our schemes) and then to a positional focus. Anyone else done something similar? How were the results? Am I missing anything? I suggest not to do this. Do the teaching during the season when on the field. Post season, encourage the guys to play other sports. Engaging in another sport (or 2) results in a more well rounded athlete. Remember that these guys are kids. Not too long ago they believed in Santa Claus. They do NOT generally devote nearly the time to the game as do the coaches. Now, the weight room should always be available and monitored! Honestly, many of these kids will regard your "program" as just another class they have to take. They want to get out of class and go outside and play! 5 years ago they were outside climbing trees. Encourage them to play a different sport. Give them a break.
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Post by blb on Nov 16, 2023 12:34:02 GMT -6
Most HS kids want to "play" football, not be football players.
In fact a lot of them football is not even their favorite sport.
Don't run them off by demanding they be.
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Post by fantom on Nov 16, 2023 14:25:16 GMT -6
One of the discussions we are having as we enter off-season is taking some time and teaching kids the actual game of football. Our plan thus far is: General (field dimensions, clock, penalties, scoring etc.) Offense (general theory, alignments, passing attacks, run schemes etc.) Defense (general theory, alignments, fits, coverage etc.) Special Teams (general theory, phases etc.) Then graduate to what we do in particular (our schemes) and then to a positional focus. Anyone else done something similar? How were the results? Am I missing anything? It depends when you plan to do this. If you have a conditioning class or athletic period during the school day I think it's fine. If you plan to do it after or before school then it's just something else extra for the kids (and coaches) to do.
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donk3y
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Post by donk3y on Nov 16, 2023 14:28:21 GMT -6
While I do appreciate the perspective that it might overload some kids, I coach in Texas where football "class" (athletic period" is part of our day. Kids that want to go to other sports go; football kids stay. We need to continue to develop our kids physically and mentally...
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 16, 2023 16:05:16 GMT -6
One of the discussions we are having as we enter off-season is taking some time and teaching kids the actual game of football. Our plan thus far is: General (field dimensions, clock, penalties, scoring etc.) Offense (general theory, alignments, passing attacks, run schemes etc.) Defense (general theory, alignments, fits, coverage etc.) Special Teams (general theory, phases etc.) Then graduate to what we do in particular (our schemes) and then to a positional focus. Anyone else done something similar? How were the results? Am I missing anything? This IS a good idea.
I agree with others about overburdening, but if you can fit it in to what you already do- it is a good idea.
I used to do this a lot for our defense. I would put up formations and ask "What do teams typically do out of this"? Back then we would see some I, double wing, flexbone, one-back...
We kind of went away from doing this... and I think it hurt us. Maybe I got lazy... or our co-op kids couldn't make it to pre-practice meetings, everyone we see runs the same damn thing anyway... whatever... Poor preparation on my part. If I am coaching again, I will devote some time to this again... because our guys know almost nothing about the game.
It is amazing to me how many guys played in college (maybe even played DB) and didn't know that "cover 3" meant "3 guys in deep thirds"... or like the Bret Favre story early in his career about Nickel defense. He was told to "watch for Nickel" in a situation... off on the side he asked a teammate "Which guy is Nickel?"
It looks like you have the basics covered. One thing we do is "uncommon situations"... like if we have a 1 point lead with 4 min. left and don't want to score... taking a safety to kill time or conserve time... fair catch free kick (which I don't think is legal in TX, but is here)... stuff like that.
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 16, 2023 16:17:09 GMT -6
One of the discussions we are having as we enter off-season is taking some time and teaching kids the actual game of football. Our plan thus far is: General (field dimensions, clock, penalties, scoring etc.) Offense (general theory, alignments, passing attacks, run schemes etc.) Defense (general theory, alignments, fits, coverage etc.) Special Teams (general theory, phases etc.) Then graduate to what we do in particular (our schemes) and then to a positional focus. Anyone else done something similar? How were the results? Am I missing anything? This IS a good idea.
I agree with others about overburdening, but if you can fit it in to what you already do- it is a good idea.
I used to do this a lot for our defense. I would put up formations and ask "What do teams typically do out of this"? Back then we would see some I, double wing, flexbone, one-back...
We kind of went away from doing this... and I think it hurt us. Maybe I got lazy... or our co-op kids couldn't make it to pre-practice meetings, everyone we see runs the same damn thing anyway... whatever... Poor preparation on my part. If I am coaching again, I will devote some time to this again... because our guys know almost nothing about the game.
It is amazing to me how many guys played in college (maybe even played DB) and didn't know that "cover 3" meant "3 guys in deep thirds"... or like the Bret Favre story early in his career about Nickel defense. He was told to "watch for Nickel" in a situation... off on the side he asked a teammate "Which guy is Nickel?"
It looks like you have the basics covered. One thing we do is "uncommon situations"... like if we have a 1 point lead with 4 min. left and don't want to score... taking a safety to kill time or conserve time... fair catch free kick (which I don't think is legal in TX, but is here)... stuff like that.
With the Brett Favre thing, it still boils down to the same issue you are describing above, but that specific instance would be on the coaching staff for not doing a good job of teaching the players *their* terminology, because one man's nickel is another man's overhang is another man's OLB is another man's Sam is another man's Saw is another man's Laser. Lol
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Post by 44dlcoach on Nov 16, 2023 23:15:13 GMT -6
We do it on the field mostly. On special teams early in the year we make sure we cover things like blocked kicks behind the line, blocked kicks that pass the like, long field goals, punting at the end of the half, Punting backed up, pinning them deep, hideout guys on the sideline, etc.
Then for offense and defense, we do some starters vs starters team periods where we dictate the situations. 2 minute, 4 minute, 3rd and long, 3rd and short, etc. As the season goes on we change that "good vs good" period to be a more game-like scenario where it's 1st and 10 at the XX yard line and we play until there's either a score or a stop. If a scenario comes up that we've covered before we reinforce it.
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Post by brettdj on Nov 17, 2023 6:34:41 GMT -6
If you are teaching rules/penalties, try to get the local officiating association to explain these. They will give you the rule and how it is officiated. Such as holding needs 3 elements a grab, a restriction and be near the ball carrier.
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CoachC
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Post by CoachC on Nov 17, 2023 7:27:55 GMT -6
Kids watch a lot of football on the weekends and don't realize HS rules are different in certain instances.
I always like to make sure our DBs understand they can be physical all over the field as it's not PI until the ball is in the air. (They still have the 5 yards only for contact in their heads).
Also, 2 pt plays can't be returned by the Defense. Trying to get the QB to understand that a busted 2 pt play is still worth taking a shot to any receiver. It's better than taking a sack since you probably aren't scoring anyway, might as well take a chance since there's no worry about giving up points.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Nov 17, 2023 9:08:42 GMT -6
Kids watch a lot of football on the weekends and don't realize HS rules are different in certain instances. I always like to make sure our DBs understand they can be physical all over the field as it's not PI until the ball is in the air. (They still have the 5 yards only for contact in their heads). Also, 2 pt plays can't be returned by the Defense. Trying to get the QB to understand that a busted 2 pt play is still worth taking a shot to any receiver. It's better than taking a sack since you probably aren't scoring anyway, might as well take a chance since there's no worry about giving up points. THIS!!!!... I hate when I get things called on Friday night that some ref seen called in an NFL game and it is not a rule for us. I do like this idea. However, I agree you have to keep it light and fun. Even though you have to set a standard and a tone in weight room in offseason, it still needs to be fun. 99% of kids we coach won't love it anywhere close to how we love it. You can set standards high and teach toughness while making it fun. It's always a grind, but don't grind them to a nub for sure!
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Post by fantom on Nov 17, 2023 11:48:26 GMT -6
Since the OP has time before implementing this idea he may want to look for video of unusual plays that illustrate the rules.
This one, a blocked FG behind the LOS, is a great example (Scroll to 3:05 of the video)
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donk3y
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Post by donk3y on Nov 17, 2023 13:39:20 GMT -6
I think implementing uncommon situations as a few of y'all have suggested is a great idea.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 17, 2023 17:00:59 GMT -6
Kids watch a lot of football on the weekends and don't realize HS rules are different in certain instances. I always like to make sure our DBs understand they can be physical all over the field as it's not PI until the ball is in the air. (They still have the 5 yards only for contact in their heads). Also, 2 pt plays can't be returned by the Defense. Trying to get the QB to understand that a busted 2 pt play is still worth taking a shot to any receiver. It's better than taking a sack since you probably aren't scoring anyway, might as well take a chance since there's no worry about giving up points.
I couldn't resist. This was in our week 5 game this past year:
The only things you said that I disagree with coach is that "kids watch a lot of football on weekends." Ours sure don't... and the 5 yard contact rule... most of our officials don't know that one either.
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Post by chadavan on Nov 17, 2023 18:12:01 GMT -6
I couldn't resist. This was in our week 5 game this past year:
2pt play?
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 17, 2023 18:33:49 GMT -6
I couldn't resist. This was in our week 5 game this past year:
2pt play? Yes. I might have killed him if it was 1st & goal. We "attempt" about 2-3 of those every year. We score on almost half of those. Years ago we even won an OT game on a pass off of a failing 2 pt. play.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 19, 2023 7:16:02 GMT -6
Since the OP has time before implementing this idea he may want to look for video of unusual plays that illustrate the rules. This one, a blocked FG behind the LOS, is a great example (Scroll to 3:05 of the video) This is how I scored my 1 career TD. Opposing team blocked our FG and ran off the field in celebration. Our team walked off in dejection. I remembered our coaches saying something about this rule a couple years before, I didn't hear a whistle, and I picked the ball up and me and our FB who was the holder walked/jogged 15 yds for the TD. On Sr night of my Sr yearto boot.
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