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Post by CS on Oct 14, 2023 13:09:53 GMT -6
Anyone else ran into a group of seniors you couldn’t wait to get rid of? I’ve never wished a season to end before but dam
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Seniors
Oct 14, 2023 13:29:48 GMT -6
Post by fantom on Oct 14, 2023 13:29:48 GMT -6
Anyone else ran into a group of seniors you couldn’t wait to get rid of? I’ve never wished a season to end before but dam Once or twice. One year, in particular, we had a talented group who was a "Headache of the Week". Going into the last game we needed another team to lose to make the playoffs. It was an away game so on the way home the driver played the scoreboard show on the radio. When we heard that the team had won the coaches should have gotten an Oscar nomination for out performance acting disappointed. |
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Seniors
Oct 14, 2023 13:39:25 GMT -6
Post by blb on Oct 14, 2023 13:39:25 GMT -6
Anyone else ran into a group of seniors you couldn’t wait to get rid of? I’ve never wished a season to end before but dam Yes, but fortunately only twice in 31 years. |
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Seniors
Oct 15, 2023 11:41:09 GMT -6
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Post by agap on Oct 15, 2023 11:41:09 GMT -6
Back in 2016, we couldn't wait to get rid of the seniors and juniors.
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Post by blb on Oct 15, 2023 11:52:33 GMT -6
Back in 2016, we couldn't wait to get rid of the seniors and juniors. In HS football there are just some classes that are not good football classes, regardless of how you run your program. |
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Post by bignose on Oct 15, 2023 12:56:02 GMT -6
My attitude was always: I enjoyed the kids. Some when they played, and some when they left.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 15, 2023 17:24:42 GMT -6
Had a few. It usually was the Srs anytime I came into a job.
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Post by CS on Oct 15, 2023 18:22:23 GMT -6
I teach them in class and like them outside of football but jeez I just can’t stand them within the realm of sports
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Seniors
Oct 20, 2023 12:13:36 GMT -6
Post by blackknight on Oct 20, 2023 12:13:36 GMT -6
2000. Extremely talented but almost drove me out!
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Seniors
Oct 20, 2023 15:20:58 GMT -6
Post by wolverine55 on Oct 20, 2023 15:20:58 GMT -6
Back in 2017, we went 0-9 and the seniors we had actually had some ability but didn't work hard and just flat-out weren't good kids. To make it worse, our 3 most winnable games were weeks 1, 2, and 4. Made for a looooooong last five weeks because after we dropped the week 4 game everyone could see the writing on the wall.
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Post by nicku on Oct 20, 2023 17:58:41 GMT -6
Back in 2019 we had a class that, especially for our school, was insanely talented. Loaded with seniors, the QB was a senior that had gotten the job as a freshman due to injuries, OL was good...parent drama, player drama, rumors, you name it. We partied so hard as a staff the night after that last game. It was like a title celebration...we went 4-6
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Seniors
Oct 21, 2023 7:34:20 GMT -6
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Post by CS on Oct 21, 2023 7:34:20 GMT -6
1 more game 🙌
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Seniors
Oct 21, 2023 9:54:35 GMT -6
Post by blb on Oct 21, 2023 9:54:35 GMT -6
Good luck, Coach. Safe to say most of us have been in your situation at least once. |
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Oct 21, 2023 20:23:29 GMT -6
Couple times. I guess it's always bound to happen. Sophomores see the seniors before them not be so successful. They decide to work like maniacs for two years and by the time they are seniors they will run through walls for you to win. The juniors see this and continue it for a year or two but eventually teams just figure that they are owed success because they are seniors now. They don't have success. And so on.
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Seniors
Oct 23, 2023 8:38:47 GMT -6
Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 23, 2023 8:38:47 GMT -6
2016. Had a brutal season. Some talent but mostly “me” guys and jealous back stabber types.
We played a high quality team and got housed 56-0 and they pulled juniors and seniors after 1st drive of second half.
We decided that we were going to give some younger guys the chance to start the following week.
The seniors quit….and in our last 4 games we go 2-2 and one of the loses was to the state runner up. Go 2-7 on the season but that year propels use towards the biggest up swing in program history since the 1940’s.
To this day my only regret was not kicking kids off that team weeks before when situations would have allowed it.
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Seniors
Oct 23, 2023 9:03:35 GMT -6
Post by veerwego on Oct 23, 2023 9:03:35 GMT -6
Couple times. I guess it's always bound to happen. Sophomores see the seniors before them not be so successful. They decide to work like maniacs for two years and by the time they are seniors they will run through walls for you to win. The juniors see this and continue it for a year or two but eventually teams just figure that they are owed success because they are seniors now. They don't have success. And so on. I know two coaching staffs in our state well that won 4 state titles in a row. They both strongly believed that the group of 8th graders that come through and are seniors after this are almost hopeless. They just expect it to happen and don't understand the work and intensity that the other groups put in to get there. Not sure how you teach it in that situation and they weren't either. I was a senior that played very little prior to my senior year and we had won back to back. Certainly expected to win another one and couldn't understand why we didn't until I had been coaching for a few years and realized how much talent we lost off of those two teams and how bad we (jrs and srs my senior year) were in comparison. We were still a pretty good team in a really tough region, but not anywhere near what we had been. Some of it is probably about players but hard to be hungry when you are always well fed. |
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Post by blb on Oct 23, 2023 10:05:41 GMT -6
At one school that to put it mildly sorely lacked discipline (and perhaps at home too) I had a class that rebelled against the discipline we required in our program.
By the time they got to the Varsity half of them had dropped out and after we got off to a (predictably) poor start their last year some more quit.
Barely finished the season with enough players to avoid forfeiting.
At another (this time good school-community) had a class of mostly good character kids-students but football just wasn't important enough to them to do what it took to be competitive much less win.
Didn't do Off-Season stuff, didn't practice hard. When they were Sophomores my JV coach told me during Pre-Season "I hate my team!" I didn't bring them up to Varsity for playoffs as I typically did because in my mind they hadn't earned it.
Again a lot of them were gone by their senior year.
Only group in 31 years I ever kicked off the practice field because I just couldn't tolerate their lack of effort.
So was once more lucky to make it through a disastrous season.
At both places we had been very successful previously so that wasn't the problem.
When you coach HS football you are at the mercy of 14-18 year old kids and sometimes no matter what you do as a coach in terms of motivation etc. it just won't matter.
I know you guys don't care about my life story but maybe some of you will find this "comforting" somehow.
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Post by CoachK on Oct 23, 2023 10:57:12 GMT -6
Couple times. I guess it's always bound to happen. Sophomores see the seniors before them not be so successful. They decide to work like maniacs for two years and by the time they are seniors they will run through walls for you to win. The juniors see this and continue it for a year or two but eventually teams just figure that they are owed success because they are seniors now. They don't have success. And so on. I know two coaching staffs in our state well that won 4 state titles in a row. They both strongly believed that the group of 8th graders that come through and are seniors after this are almost hopeless. They just expect it to happen and don't understand the work and intensity that the other groups put in to get there. Not sure how you teach it in that situation and they weren't either. I was a senior that played very little prior to my senior year and we had won back to back. Certainly expected to win another one and couldn't understand why we didn't until I had been coaching for a few years and realized how much talent we lost off of those two teams and how bad we (jrs and srs my senior year) were in comparison. We were still a pretty good team in a really tough region, but not anywhere near what we had been. Some of it is probably about players but hard to be hungry when you are always well fed. There is something to this. We went undefeated two years in a row with an incredible group of kids that were recruited here (JUCO) after three 1 win seasons. Last season we beat the pants off of everybody.
This year's crew (only 3 played any type of significant role the year before) never had a sense of urgency about anything, despite a year of warnings about what it took to have the previous year's successes. At a certain point it just bakes in that success is easy and it'll just happen when they step on the field. Ultimately the kids just need to touch the hot stove, so to speak.
We suck this year but it's getting better. I do think losing is the best teacher in life.
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Seniors
Oct 23, 2023 12:06:14 GMT -6
Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 23, 2023 12:06:14 GMT -6
I teach them in class and like them outside of football but jeez I just can’t stand them within the realm of sports I know what you mean there coach. This group of guys I have are great off the field/weightroom. I really like them. Good sense of humor and all of that. But man, they are terrible to coach!!! |
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Seniors
Oct 23, 2023 12:08:12 GMT -6
Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 23, 2023 12:08:12 GMT -6
Couple times. I guess it's always bound to happen. Sophomores see the seniors before them not be so successful. They decide to work like maniacs for two years and by the time they are seniors they will run through walls for you to win. The juniors see this and continue it for a year or two but eventually teams just figure that they are owed success because they are seniors now. They don't have success. And so on. I know two coaching staffs in our state well that won 4 state titles in a row. They both strongly believed that the group of 8th graders that come through and are seniors after this are almost hopeless. They just expect it to happen and don't understand the work and intensity that the other groups put in to get there. Not sure how you teach it in that situation and they weren't either. I was a senior that played very little prior to my senior year and we had won back to back. Certainly expected to win another one and couldn't understand why we didn't until I had been coaching for a few years and realized how much talent we lost off of those two teams and how bad we (jrs and srs my senior year) were in comparison. We were still a pretty good team in a really tough region, but not anywhere near what we had been. Some of it is probably about players but hard to be hungry when you are always well fed. Sometimes coaches just expect it to happen too since it had been happening for years. |
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Seniors
Oct 23, 2023 12:52:29 GMT -6
Post by veerwego on Oct 23, 2023 12:52:29 GMT -6
Very possible. It is interesting that you would assume many good habits and systems were engrained in the program over these runs and yet there is still something missing when it comes to these teams later down the line.
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Seniors
Oct 24, 2023 13:42:46 GMT -6
Post by spartan on Oct 24, 2023 13:42:46 GMT -6
yes last year.
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Seniors
Oct 30, 2023 8:39:39 GMT -6
Post by junior6589 on Oct 30, 2023 8:39:39 GMT -6
We had a similar group this year. Senior-laden group with alot of experience. Worked hard in the offseason and in the summer program but once pads came on the work ethic wasn't there. Some selfishness and "me guys" but overall just not enough guys willing to work hard.
We also lacked serious leadership from that group in terms of having a vocal leader who was going to talk the talk and walk the walk .
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Seniors
Oct 30, 2023 21:22:34 GMT -6
Post by tog on Oct 30, 2023 21:22:34 GMT -6
Anyone else ran into a group of seniors you couldn’t wait to get rid of? I’ve never wished a season to end before but dam certainly |
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Seniors
Oct 30, 2023 21:23:17 GMT -6
Post by tog on Oct 30, 2023 21:23:17 GMT -6
My attitude was always: I enjoyed the kids. Some when they played, and some when they left. good way to put it |
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Seniors
Oct 31, 2023 5:57:30 GMT -6
Post by MICoach on Oct 31, 2023 5:57:30 GMT -6
2020 and 2021 were back to back tough years. Talented kids with a lot of me-first attitudes and not very great work ethic. Needless to say, we underperformed those years.
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